Working Class White Voters Are Ditching McCain

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KIMBERLY HEFLING | October 10, 2008 10:26 AM EST | AP

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Georgia Lutz, right, sits with Darryl Hendon on the stoop outside their home in Beaver Falls, Pa. Thursday, Oct. 9, 2008. Lutz said she's voting for Obama, as did Hendon, 50, both Democrats. Hendon said he thinks some white Democrats in the region are reluctant to back Obama simply because of his race. (AP Photo/Keith Srakocic)

KITTANNING, Pa. — The steel mills and coal mines of western Pennsylvania helped fuel the nation's economic engine. Today, old factory shells and boarded-up storefronts stand as bleak reminders of those once-prosperous times.

But the voters in working-class enclaves such as this still are a sought-after prize in presidential politics, and many are belatedly backing Democratic nominee Barack Obama.

In the Democratic primaries, working-class whites consistently supported Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton. Later polls showed them overwhelmingly favoring Republican nominee John McCain.

Now, driven by fears that their personal finances could further deteriorate, many see Obama as the better choice _ their thinking in some cases driven more by concern about how McCain would handle the economy than any growing admiration for his rival.

"I don't know that there's anything I particularly like about him (Obama), but I dislike McCain, and I dislike the way the country is, and Republicans need to change," said lifelong Republican Ruth Ann Michel, 64, a retiree shopping in a market in Butler on a recent day. She said her vote for Obama would be her first for a Democratic presidential candidate.

While talk in these parts is mostly about the economy, a prominent _ if not unspoken subtext _ is race. A study of the impact of racial attitudes on the election conducted by The Associated Press with Yahoo News and Stanford University found that whites without a college education were much more likely to hold negative views of blacks than those with a college education.

Democratic Gov. Ed Rendell says a drowning man doesn't care what color the person is who throws him a life preserver.

"This election is going to be decided when a husband and wife sit at a kitchen table, or a single parent sits at the kitchen table, looks at their bills and figures out who is most likely to help them with their financial condition," Rendell said. "If the answer's Barack Obama, nobody's going to care whether he's black, green, orange, purple, fuchsia or whatever."

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In April, Rendell backed Clinton in the primary and had to answer questions after saying some whites in his state were likely to vote against Obama because of his race.

Darryl Hendon, 50, of Beaver Falls, who is black and on disability, said he thinks some white Democrats are reluctant to back Obama because of his race.

Since early September, growing numbers of whites who have not finished college have been expressing the view that Obama cares about people like them, even as fewer say so about McCain, according to AP-GfK polling.

In early September, McCain had a 26-point advantage among white voters without a college degree who were likely to vote, according to the poll. But by late September, the advantage had dropped to 7 points, with McCain leading 46 percent to 39 percent among this group.

For Obama, that's far better than Democrats have done in recent presidential elections. President Bush carried whites who haven't finished college by 23 points in 2004 and by 17 points in 2000.

In Pennsylvania, a recent Quinnipiac University poll showed Obama with a double-digit lead over McCain, compared with a close race after the political conventions. Clay Richards, a Quinnipiac pollster, said that's because support among working-class voters in the state is growing, and he suspects many former Clinton supporters are moving to Obama's camp.

The candidates' campaign schedules make clear the importance they attach to Pennsylvania's working-class voters.

McCain and running mate Sarah Palin staged a rally Wednesday in the former steel town of Bethlehem in northeast Pennsylvania. On Friday, Palin was stopping in Pittsburgh, then heading for Johnstown in western Pennsylvania, where unemployment recently topped 7 percent. The self-described hockey mom planned to drop the ceremonial first puck when the Philadelphia Flyers open their season against the New York Rangers on Saturday.

Obama, for his part, will be in Philadelphia on Saturday. And on Sunday, his running mate, Delaware Sen. Joe Biden, will be joined in his blue-collar hometown of Scranton by Clinton and her husband, former President Clinton.

In western Pennsylvania, Republican and Democratic voters alike tend to be socially conservative, pro-gun and anti-abortion rights. Many are so-called Reagan Democrats willing to vote for a Republican because of social issues.

While some pockets in this region have recovered and flourished after hard times in the 1980s, many never did. Populations have dwindled and many of those left are elderly.

"The ones who can get a good education ... they leave, which I don't blame them because there's nothing here, really," said Georgia Lutz, 55, who was eating breakfast at a diner in Beaver Falls recently with Hendon. "The economy is absolutely horrible and we're going into a depression right now."

The working-class vote is particularly important in the battleground states of Pennsylvania, Michigan and Ohio, where the percentage of adults without a college degree ranks exceeds the national average.

They also are a key voting bloc because those personally affected by the current economic woes appear to be among the more persuadable voters, according to a recent AP-Yahoo News poll. Among them is Michelle Smith, 41, who works retail during the day at a surplus shop in Kittanning and tends bar at night. Combined, she and her husband have six kids.

"Decent working families can't survive. It's very sad," Smith said. "They raised minimum wage, but now you're paying triple in gas to get to work. It evens itself out."

A Democrat, Smith said she's leaning toward McCain. While she said she likes Obama on a personal level, she wonders if Obama has what it takes to fix the economy.

Obama's already won over Don Melochick, 58, a construction worker from Whitehall, Pa., in northeast Pennsylvania. A registered Democrat who's voted Republican in the past, Melochick said he plans to vote for Obama because he's "somewhat better" than McCain.

If McCain "hasn't changed nothing in his 30 years ... he's not going to change anything now," Melochick said, from the counter of a diner outside Philadelphia. But he adds: "I don't think Obama will either."

KITTANNING, Pa. — The steel mills and coal mines of western Pennsylvania helped fuel the nation's economic engine. Today, old factory shells and boarded-up storefronts stand as bleak reminders o...
KITTANNING, Pa. — The steel mills and coal mines of western Pennsylvania helped fuel the nation's economic engine. Today, old factory shells and boarded-up storefronts stand as bleak reminders o...
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- yorkie I'm a Fan of yorkie 5 fans permalink
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I THINK THE OPPOSITE PREMISE OF THOMAS FRANKS BOOK--WHAT'S WRONG WITH KANSAS--MAY BE HAPPENING AND PEOPLE ARE WAKING UP TO FACT OF ECON REALITIES AND THE EMPTY SUIT MC GOO AND OLD PARTY OF BROKEN PROMISES,,,,,, MUCH WORK NEEDS TO BE DONE ESP IN SOUTH AND LIGHT POPULATED AREAS IN WEST,,,TO EDUCATE AND TURN OLD WAYS OUT,,,,BUT O IS MAKING OUR QUEST BETTER EACH DAY! AND NOW CONGRESS ELECTIONS LOOK GOOD AS WELL,,,,

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:46 AM on 10/10/2008

I agree about the "Reverse Bradley Effect." I think there are many people who, because they are afraid to admit it in their social circles, will tell a pollster or among friends and colleagues say they won't vote for Obama, but will pull the lever for him next month when they are in the solitude of the voting booth.

One primary reason for my espousing that theory is seen in a quote above where the person said they weren't sure they LIKED Obama but they were sure they DIDN'T LIKE McCain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:46 AM on 10/10/2008

One note of uncharacterstic optimism from me today.

As repugnant and abhorrent as the deeply-felt and traditional racism is among certain elements of the white population in America, imagine what a curative effect on this disease it will be to have an intelligent, articulate, responsible, sensible and genuinely caring black man as President -- even if he's unable to reverse all, or even much, of the damage that the Republicans (with some Democratic help, admitted) have done to this country since 1980. Frankly, we might finally be able to jettison a lot of the poisonous politics of race after this election.

You've gotta have some hope.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:46 AM on 10/10/2008
- GoBarryGo I'm a Fan of GoBarryGo 6 fans permalink

Well said. I agree -- Barack Obama has the broad shoulders it's going to take to carry a lot of people along with him. He is so focused and so steady, makes me proud to give him my time, financial conributions, and my vote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 AM on 10/10/2008

GO BARACK GO!!!

OBAMA/BIDEN '08!
HOPE and CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 PM on 10/10/2008

The Reagan Democrat -- white union members from Pennsylvania, Michingan, Ohio and, Indiana who voted for Wallace in 1968 and 1972, were part of Nixon's Soutern strategy and became Reagan Democrats were primarily fueled by racism -- using the excuse for their racism that affirmative action caused them to lose jobs and promotions to Blacks who were favored by affirmative action. These guys (for the most part) also fought in Vietnam and are patriotic.

They've been moving to the Democrats, as they realized that it's Reaganomics (the voodoo economics of deregulation, globalization, privatization and massive deficit spending) that caused them to lose their jobs and not get raises even equal to inflation, not affirmative action. Also, they realiized they were suckered into fighting in a corrupt, never-ending war in which tens of thousands of their friends were killed and hundreds of thousands maimed for nothing, and now oppose Iraq and the $10 billion per month and the lives and limbs being wasted there.

As these Reagan Democrats are still racist and respect McCain for getting shot down, they might have voted for him anyway, even though they don't like his economic policies and warmongering. But his selection of Crazy Secessionist Sarah means she will probably be President for 3 or 4 years if McCain wins, as his dad and grandad died earlier than his current age and McCain will probably become incapacited or die early in his first term. And they would rather vote for Obama than chance Crazy Secessionist

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 AM on 10/10/2008
- kjstjohn I'm a Fan of kjstjohn 256 fans permalink
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I saw this happen in my family. To a person, the uneducated racist democrats among us started voting Republican starting with Reagan and were stalwart Bush supporters in the last two election rounds because they thought he was more like them (and less likely to give the blacks any kind of hand-out including healthcare).

Whites who deny that the Rebublican campaign strategies are designed to tap racist sensibilities don't understand the psychological makeup of Reagan democrats. My lower-middle class, uneducated, hard-working relatives continue to vote Republican against their economic interests because their number-one concern (so far) has been that blacks will get something for free that they have had to work hard to obtain.

k'hussein"stjohn

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:00 AM on 10/10/2008
- HHarvey I'm a Fan of HHarvey 31 fans permalink
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thanks for posting Kj.... I was wondering if they realized that no matter what republican president has been in office things like social services, and even Roe vs Wade, has still remained intact? Do they think that in the past republicans have cut these services or will cut these services? Just wondering about their thought process because from what you are saying their number one concern has never been eradicated by any republican president so far and probably never will.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:25 AM on 10/10/2008
- WhatsLeft I'm a Fan of WhatsLeft 20 fans permalink
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It is unbelievable that there are still people who are "undecided"!! They must be the people who stand in the grocery aisle trying to make up their minds between bran flakes and raisin bran. "OH, this one has rasins, but this one doesn't. What to do, what to do?" Here, I'll help you, VOTE FOR OBAMA. You'll thank me in the morning.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 AM on 10/10/2008
- kellygrrrl I'm a Fan of kellygrrrl 643 fans permalink
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Dear "Life-long Republicans"
You don't have to admit YOU were wrong. You don't have to feel YOU have changed.
The Republican Party has changed.
The Republican Party was hijacked by whackos.
YOU are just reacting to something over which you have no control.
IT'S OK!
Come on over to sanity for now.
Sincerely,
US

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 AM on 10/10/2008

I took your advice after the tragic first GWBush term and voted for Kerry. You are right, I wasn't wrong voting Repug since the 1980 election. They betrayed me and the things they said they stood for. They are good at misinformation and stealing elections now.

God (or your fortitude-giving equivalent) help us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:53 AM on 10/10/2008
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Exactly, it's the LYING. They said they were for completely free markets, and that's why we all had to see our jobs go overseas, but they refuse to let these megabanks fail! They had to steal ONE LAST TRILLION because they knew the jig was up and we're all onto them!

The trick now is to remember in 20 years what they did this past eight, and never, ever, ever believe them again, because they keep popping back up once a generation to steal everything and mess it all up and then run away to enjoy their spoils on tropical islands. They don't even like being here in America! They just like our money.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 AM on 10/10/2008
- bodo I'm a Fan of bodo 7 fans permalink

Some white blue-collar workers may be under the pressure of a "reverse Bradley effect": they may simply be scared to admit to pollsters that they are voting for Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 AM on 10/10/2008
- GoBarryGo I'm a Fan of GoBarryGo 6 fans permalink

Anyone who isn't ditching McCain needs an immediate mental evaluation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 AM on 10/10/2008
- beantowner I'm a Fan of beantowner 7 fans permalink
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Agreed. Too bad we can't demand the same kind of evaluation for the candidate, himself.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:59 AM on 10/10/2008

McCain can't close the deal on the working class blue collar white American vote because he doesn't have a plan for the economy. Obama is connecting with these voters on pocketbook issues. He's assembled Bill Clinton's economic team and is looking very Presidential. As his plans have been reviewed, people have generally adopted them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 AM on 10/10/2008

Mc Hate is too busy talking smack rather then talking economy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:35 AM on 10/10/2008

Fiddling while Rome burns?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 AM on 10/10/2008
- RThM I'm a Fan of RThM 4 fans permalink

That's not McCain's instrument. He's a lyre.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:00 AM on 10/10/2008
- BAM47 I'm a Fan of BAM47 2 fans permalink

I, for one, am glad to see Bill Clinton on the campaign trail for Obama. As a father of a daughter, I find it hard to believe that Clinton could be anything but angry at McCain, the guy who once made a nasty joke about his daughter. That would be enough for me for a lifetime. I would work hard to see that the guy who said something so nasty about my daughter was never elected.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:57 AM on 10/10/2008
- lobear00 I'm a Fan of lobear00 27 fans permalink

Mccain aka" McGruff" you are a very "Shallow" person, you are very dishonest, deceiving by nature, and your still living back in the 1930 "Era", You are not and never was an "hero", that's left for people who have held true to their honest and true nature as "Human beings. John you don't fit the bill.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 AM on 10/10/2008

LOL some people are all like "he's a little bit better than McCain and I guess I'll vote for him". What the know in their hearts is that he's a LOT better but can't bring themselves to say it out loud. I don't give a rats booty why they are going to vote for him, I just hope they can pull the trigger in the both.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:32 AM on 10/10/2008
- Mike169 I'm a Fan of Mike169 52 fans permalink
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...but what about Bill Ayers? BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:30 AM on 10/10/2008

Look at the skeletons in McCain's closet - everyone should start going on line and reading anything that is put out by the media and both candidates. The smearing that is going on towards Obama is wrong, especially when it can cause racial tension. McCain/Palin should be ashamed. Americans only want to hear about the issues. If they are going to do guilt by association - then he the media (Hannity and Elisabeth H) need to discuss McCain's vietnam pow issue and why his father WAS DISAPPOINTED in him. That has to be a bigger slap in the face to the McCain party, yet none of them bring that up. And Cindy just needs to sit her drug up self down. She STOLE drugs.

McCain didn't report ties to Contra group-
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14436.html

McCain connections coming back to haunt him -
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/McCain_connections_coming_back_to_haunt_1007.h
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McCain ad twists Obama comment on Afghanistan -
http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20081008/NEWS0106/810080310/1168/NEWS

Cindy McCain Takes Off Her Gloves -
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/10/cindy-mccain-ta.html

John McCain Is No "Hero POW" - http://www.usvetdsp.com/mcianhro.htm

What Bush did to McCain in the 2000 S. C. primary" - http://bartcopnation.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=522

http://stash.norml.org/2008/08/05/cindy-mccain-drug-dealer-drugdealercindyco
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Petraeus -
http://washingtonindependent.com/11381/petraeus

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:32 AM on 10/10/2008
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LOL! What about John McCain unexpurgated:

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/latestnews/index.php?id=12325

Hypocrisy, thy name remains GOP and Marie Antoinette McSame.

Leland R. Erickson

Citizen

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 AM on 10/10/2008
- bk13 I'm a Fan of bk13 permalink

check out this article in the ny times. it brilliantly explains the republicans use of "class warfare" and the convince white working class americans to vote against their interest

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/10/opinion/10brooks.html?em

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 AM on 10/10/2008

I find it interesting that everyone expects Obama to just walk into the whitehouse and make everything all better. Wave a wand and take all the crap Bush/McCain have created and poof, gone! Think of how long it took us to get into this mess. Think about who got us into this mess. Obama didn't start a war that should have never happened. Obama didn't tell the oil companies to charge outrageous amounts for gas, Obama didn't tell the healthcare providers to dictate how much we pay for drugs and healthcare. What's with you people? The republican's got us in this mess starting with Reagan and his so called "trickle down effect"...please! You keep complaining that Congress screwed up everything. The democrats wouldn't pass anything. Does anyone understand that anything good that the democrats wanted passed was blocked by the republicans and vetoed by our idiot president? What is it with these so called democrats that won't vote for Obama because they don't think he can fix anything. Those that voted for Bush twice should really think long and hard about what which direction they want this country to go. If you are having so much trouble voting for the black half of Obama, then vote for the white half. It's the same person. Take your rose colored glasses off and pick which side you want and vote for a man who is "willing" to at least get his hands dirty and fight for the American people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 AM on 10/10/2008

Not everyone is thinking clearly, as the repugs have consistently changed the subject or are trying to.

We have to make sure that enough people do get out and actually vote, not just in polls and the like that do not matter. VOTE EARLY if you can, check your state deadlines for voter registrationif for some incredible reason you have not yet done so.

but most of all VOTE on NOV 4.

Obama/Biden 08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:58 AM on 10/10/2008
- adzeman I'm a Fan of adzeman 38 fans permalink
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Goldwater. Thats what we're talking about. We'll bypass Dole and head for one of the worst shellackings in political history. It is much deserved. McCain has been exposed as an angry compulsive gambler, and Palin probably ended her national chances as well. If her talent matched her ambition, she would be empress.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 AM on 10/10/2008
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Make that Dowager Empress:

http://www.answers.com/topic/empress-dowager-cixi

Cixi was also notorious for spending money allocated for defense of the country on lavish personal interests including the infamous "Marble Boat" built for her pleasure with funds intended for the Chinese Navy's modernization program. The parallels between Palin and Cixi's characters is for this Military Historian, more than a little interesting...

Leland R. Erickson

Citizen

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:46 AM on 10/10/2008
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