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First Posted: 10-12-08 04:40 PM   |   Updated: 11-12-08 05:12 AM

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Now that a full-scale economic crisis is upon us, many are left asking the complicated but necessary question of how did we get here. While there are numerous individuals and institutions who deserve their share of the blame, it is also important to recognize those issued warnings about the fragility of the financial system and sounded the alarm about an impending collapse before it all came crashing down.

Below is the beginning of our look at some of the figures--politicians, economists, pundits--whose observations about our financial situation have come to seem all too prescient. Please check back as more names are added to our list and by all means let us know who else deserves credit for having seen our current meltdown coming.


Nouriel Roubini, NYU professor of economics: from "The Rising Risk of a Systemic Financial Meltdown: The Twelve Steps to Financial Disaster" (subscription req'd), February 5, 2008

Sixth, it is possible that some large regional or even national bank that is very exposed to mortgages, residential and commercial, will go bankrupt. Thus some big banks may join the 200 plus subprime lenders that have gone bankrupt.[...]

Ninth, the "shadow banking system" (as defined by the PIMCO folks) or more precisely
the "shadow financial system" (as it is composed by non-bank financial institutions) will
soon get into serious trouble.[...]

Tenth, stock markets in the US and abroad will start pricing a severe US recession -
rather than a mild recession - and a sharp global economic slowdown.[...]

A near global economic recession will ensue as the financial and credit losses and the
credit crunch spread around the world. Panic, fire sales, cascading fall in asset prices will
exacerbate the financial and real economic distress as a number of large and systemically
important financial institutions go bankrupt. A 1987 style stock market crash could occur
leading to further panic and severe financial and economic distress.
In this meltdown scenario US and global financial markets will experience their most
severe crisis in the last quarter of a century.



Watch Roubini discuss the financial crisis on Bloomberg TV:



Watch Roubini discuss Fannie and Freddie on Charlie Rose:


Warren Buffett, BBC News, "Buffett Warns On Investment 'Time Bomb,'" March 4, 2003

[Derivatives are] financial weapons of mass destruction.[...]

Derivatives generate reported earnings that are often wildly overstated and based on estimates whose inaccuracy may not be exposed for many years.[...]

Large amounts of risk have becomes concentrated in the hands of relatively few derivatives dealers ... which can trigger serious systematic problems.

Nassim Nicholas Taleb, from his book The Black Swan The Impact of the Highly Improbable, April 2007
Globalization creates interlocking fragility, while reducing volatility and giving the appearance of stability. In other words it creates devastating Black Swans. We have never lived before under the threat of a global collapse. Financial Institutions have been merging into a smaller number of very large banks. Almost all banks are interrelated. So the financial ecology is swelling into gigantic, incestuous, bureaucratic banks - when one fails, they all fall. The increased concentration among banks seems to have the effect of making financial crises less likely, but when they happen they are more global in scale and hit us very hard. We have moved from a diversified ecology of small banks, with varied lending policies, to a more homogeneous framework of firms that all resemble one another. True, we now have fewer failures, but when they occur ....I shiver at the thought.[...]

The government-sponsored institution Fannie Mae, when I look at its risks, seems to be sitting on a barrel of dynamite, vulnerable to the slightest hiccup. But not to worry: their large staff of scientists deemed these events 'unlikely'.

Byron Dorgan, Senator (D-ND): New York Times, "Washington's Invisible Hand," September 26, 2008
Dorgan's comment on McCain adviser Phil Gramm's deregulation efforts back in 1999:
I think we will look back in 10 years' time and say we should not have done this, but we did because we forgot the lessons of the past and that that which is true in the 1930s is true in 2010.

Joseph Stiglitz, Nobel Prize-winning economist: Washington Post, "The Iraq War Will Cost Us $3 Trillion, and Much More," March 9, 2008
We face an economic downturn that's likely to be the worst in more than a quarter-century.

Until recently, many marveled at the way the United States could spend hundreds of billions of dollars on oil and blow through hundreds of billions more in Iraq with what seemed to be strikingly little short-run impact on the economy. But there's no great mystery here. The economy's weaknesses were concealed by the Federal Reserve, which pumped in liquidity, and by regulators that looked away as loans were handed out well beyond borrowers' ability to repay them. Meanwhile, banks and credit-rating agencies pretended that financial alchemy could convert bad mortgages into AAA assets, and the Fed looked the other way as the U.S. household-savings rate plummeted to zero.

It's a bleak picture. The total loss from this economic downturn -- measured by the disparity between the economy's actual output and its potential output -- is likely to be the greatest since the Great Depression.

Paul Krugman, New York Times columnist

Krugman has been warning about the dangers of the housing bubble for years, and the terrible toll it could take on the economy when it pops. Here is a Krugman warning from August 29, 2005:

These days Mr. Greenspan expresses concern about the financial risks created by "the prevalence of interest-only loans and the introduction of more-exotic forms of adjustable-rate mortgages." But last year he encouraged families to take on those very risks, touting the advantages of adjustable-rate mortgages and declaring that "American consumers might benefit if lenders provided greater mortgage product alternatives to the traditional fixed-rate mortgage.


If Mr. Greenspan had said two years ago what he's saying now, people might have borrowed less and bought more wisely. But he didn't, and now it's too late. There are signs that the housing market either has peaked already or soon will. And it will be up to Mr. Greenspan's successor to manage the bubble's aftermath.

How bad will that aftermath be? The U.S. economy is currently suffering from twin imbalances. On one side, domestic spending is swollen by the housing bubble, which has led both to a huge surge in construction and to high consumer spending, as people extract equity from their homes. On the other side, we have a huge trade deficit, which we cover by selling bonds to foreigners. As I like to say, these days Americans make a living by selling each other houses, paid for with money borrowed from China.

One way or another, the economy will eventually eliminate both imbalances.


Daniel Altman, author, economic journalist and Huffpo blogger, from "Contracts So Complex They Imperil The System", February 24, 2002

When companies that rack up huge hidden debts and traders who illicitly amass mountains of risk are exposed, Wall Street's big players rush to cut their losses and collect on their debts. If that kind of rush were ever to result in a shortage of cash, it would paralyze the financial system. Stock markets would tumble and banks would close, putting the savings of households at risk.


Now that a full-scale economic crisis is upon us, many are left asking the complicated but necessary question of how did we get here. While there are numerous individuals and institutions who deserve ...
Now that a full-scale economic crisis is upon us, many are left asking the complicated but necessary question of how did we get here. While there are numerous individuals and institutions who deserve ...
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- Fez I'm a Fan of Fez 27 fans permalink
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Good on ya... so many cats, so few recipes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 AM on 10/13/2008

Ralph Nader predicted this when the deregulation was passed!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:25 AM on 10/13/2008
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I agree with Paul Krugman.
The Bush administration and its employees orchestrated and avoided the "rescue of ALL" by inaction at the right time on the economy.
They also created the "climate of FEAR" in the air that drove mostly their people in to becoming "misers".
The result was the latest "market MELTDOWN" that leveled many investors after many others cashed out by taking their money to BED.
This Grave Yard Money Mentality is not a help on the economy,this type of people that hold their big cash too tight are wasting their money by doing so,because money is meant to go out and circulate and socialize,follow the vibe of happiness and fun,when money gets out and dances that's when it becomes stronger and healthy for ALL.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 AM on 10/13/2008
- Gripen I'm a Fan of Gripen 14 fans permalink
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Paul Krugman has been rewarded, Nobels price in economy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:17 PM on 10/13/2008
- jajenkins I'm a Fan of jajenkins 9 fans permalink

My mother predicted this would happen - that this exact thing would happen - about a year ago. She reads German and French and reads the newspapers in those languages.

Before that, she was simply making sensible, everyday observations like "that house down the street with the patched up roof and the train-track running through the back-yard is selling for 350 000.00 dollars - this can't possibly last."

She knew Bear Stearns would collapse a full two days before it was mentioned, in passing, the first time in the American MSM - the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung had a story on it.

Those of you who can read a foreign language should read the business pages of the European press - you'd be amazed at the stuff they print - it always comes true.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 AM on 10/13/2008
- Gripen I'm a Fan of Gripen 14 fans permalink
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I am from Sweden and i remember the first warnings for this crash was about 6 years ago. For around 1-2 years ago did the warnings start to become more intensive.

Basic common knowledge could see you cant keep a debt based economy running forever, my guess is the ppl responsible for this messs went out of it without harm and is now ready to play a new game after the gametable is cleansed up abit.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:24 PM on 10/13/2008
- vippy I'm a Fan of vippy 73 fans permalink

I saw it coming and was called DOOM & GLOOM. But was scares me is the point, the
politicians did this knowingly. Who cannot see that if you don't pay the people they cannot spend, ergo there won't be an economy. So I am not fallilng for this SURPRISE
thingy!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:55 AM on 10/14/2008

Ron Paul has been the most consistent and earliest critic of what's been going on in financial services and housing. I recently watched a video from 2003 in which he predicted the collapse of both Fannie and Freddie. Too bad the national media and the other Republican candidates discounted his warnings. You need to compile the "flip-side" of this list and show the public what elected officials were in the pocket of the financial and insurance industries and how they helped cause this crisis. You will find that Sen. Dodd, Rep. Frank and Sen. Shumer have alot to answer for but I doubt whether they will ever be held accountable. An honest and open debate about what has happened will reveal that both major political parties are guilty of accepting large contributions from powerful vested interests and that they work for those interests and not for the benefic of the public. If the American people need more proof that they have been screwed and will be screwed by the current political system, they are more stupid than GWB. Nothing less than revolutionary change is needed to restore our republic and McCain certainly is not the guy who will bring that but I doubt Obama is either. Great national crisises have brought forth great leaders like Lincoln and FDR. America is still waiting for the next one. I, for one, hope he or she brings a guillotine to Washington, DC.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 AM on 10/13/2008
- Gripen I'm a Fan of Gripen 14 fans permalink
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Yes Ron Paul has warned for this for ages, he isnt an econom but he has common sense.

I may not like his politcal values and agree with him in alot of issues, but i got full respect for him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:19 PM on 10/13/2008
- lfotweaker I'm a Fan of lfotweaker 4 fans permalink

What about Alex Jones....

Oh yea, it's HuffPo, I forgot

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:05 AM on 10/13/2008
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dont blaime the poor or the homeowners for accepitng "free" extra cash, its the computer traders, the derivatives, the electronic phoney money and greed to blaime. republicans are over.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 AM on 10/13/2008

The primary culprit of the housing crisis is the Federal Reserve which by artificially lowering interest rates created an environment in which mal-investment occurred. The problem moving forward is that the solutions being offered on both sides of the aisle are only going to delay the inevitable. What goes up, must come down. By delaying the correction, it will only be worse. By continuing to rely on inflationary solutions, the Fed and centralized bankers around the world continue the destruction of the dollars purchasing power.

Ron Paul, Lew Rockwell, and others of the Austrian School of Economics should be at the top of your list.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:20 PM on 10/13/2008

And, don't forget Edward Gramlich. He spoke out about mortgages and pestered Greenspan to intervene. Unfortunately, he died a year ago, although he wouldn't be the type to yell, "I told you so!"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/05/AR2007090502503.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:46 AM on 10/13/2008
- Barackaroo I'm a Fan of Barackaroo 5 fans permalink

There lots of folks who will be telling greenback "I TOLD YOU SO!!!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:50 AM on 10/13/2008

They're all want to sound smart. Why don't they tell the truth. They knew because they're on the inside. They saw that relax govt reg's they saw the sub prime but what about next inline the credit card debt ? This crash is much bigger than any other. It's alway's credit that gets us this time it's the mtge,housing,it's different. Fall st. is suffering but its not debt on stock loans and it's bigger than the eighties S and L's. So if you can't pay the mtge why should they pay the credit card after alll when your broke your broke, right .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 AM on 10/13/2008
- JoePenn I'm a Fan of JoePenn 4 fans permalink

Warren Buffet should NOT be near any 'honor roll.' He's a shill, as proven during the recent "I.O.U.S.A­" documentary film in theaters across America (August 2008), with a live-telecast (from Omaha to all participating theaters) after the film. Four other individuals (with economic backgrounds, AARP as well) were giving specifics of what could, should, and MUST be done. But not ol' Warren. His advice, along the lines of george bush, was: we're fine, look....th­is economy and country have been through things before and we're always fine. Things will be near normal in just a few months." And this just TWO MONTHS AGO. I told my wife before the film that I was only hesitant because Buffet was to be there and he's a shill, a gatekeeper for the status quo. She told me I was dreaming (before the film), then squirmed in her seat every time Buffet would speak. Then said: well, you were right. Let's get out of here and we left 30 mins before the post-movie discussion ended.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 AM on 10/13/2008
- freebeer I'm a Fan of freebeer 5 fans permalink

Right on. Buffet helped sell the theft of $800 billion from the American people. This debt will be paid by your children and their grand children, who will also be forced to live without many basic government services that will be cut due to this $800 billion theft.

Eliot Spitzer was like wallpaper at this site when his prostitution scandal broke. Dozens of stories when it was just him and the hookers. But why did he get caught and why was he the subject of so much media attention ONLY for his sexual problems.

What he really did was to challenge this bank rot in terms of its legality, and he was only getting started. He was going after bank criminals who caused this crisis, profited from it, and eventually sold this $800 billion dollar bank welfare scam to us.
Funny how no one is talking about him anymore? Google him and his efforts to stop crime by banksters and you will be shocked at how right he was.

Warren Buffet paid some lip service to the crisis and got his ducks all line up so he could chow down as much as possible of the $800 billion.
Kindly old grandpa sure has people fooled, due to dishonest articles that sing his praises. Good job calling BS on that JoePenn. I will look for that film you recommended.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:05 AM on 10/13/2008
- laylahb I'm a Fan of laylahb 5 fans permalink

Paul Krugman, winner of the Nobel Prize in Economics, October 13, 2008.

Congratulations, and well-deserved. I expect to see him as an advisor in the Obama administration.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 AM on 10/13/2008

What about McCain? I don't see Sen "Countrywide" Dodd on here. http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=28973

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:17 AM on 10/13/2008
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Dodd had nothing to do with causing this. Nice try, simpleton.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 AM on 10/13/2008
- booker52 I'm a Fan of booker52 27 fans permalink
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Try putting Sen McCain so called advisor Phil Gramm in the list. That jerk sponsored a bill back in 1999 that got this mess going and removed the regulation that got the mortgage melt down going. Thanks for nothing!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 AM on 10/13/2008
- daddysboy I'm a Fan of daddysboy 24 fans permalink

These are the folks that Obama should look to when he is picking economic advisors in the coming months.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:14 AM on 10/13/2008

Stiglitz is already an Obama advisor.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:17 AM on 10/13/2008
- enilorac I'm a Fan of enilorac 2 fans permalink

Paul Volcker should be on the list and he is on Obama's team. Also, George Soros saw the Future.( he also came out for Obama very early on )

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:21 AM on 10/13/2008

hrere is how the 'rich' support the economy-1) they already pay a vastly higher % of their income in taxes
2) they are consumers of commercial goods-ie they buy goods and keep the manufacters of those goods emplyoyed. 3) they are consumers of commerical services keeping those service employees employed 4) they are investors in corp stock, giving those corporations money to grow their busniess, thus employing more people.
When you raise the already high taxes on the wealthy , numbers 2, 3 and 4 no longer occur-and guess waht-the middle and lower class lose their jobs!
Due to the poor economy and the turmoil my husband's company is in we have done the following in the last 6 weeks as prudent measures-1) let go of our house cleaning service (thats a team of two people who now have one less job a week-btw, when I called to cancel service the owner told me I was the tenth call he had received that week, 2) my husband stopped going to a personal trainer two times a week (another provider who loses income), 3) we cacelled plans to go on vacation after Christmas (mutliply that by thousands of other vacation cancellations and think about the hotel maids/rece­ptionists, restuarant employees, travel industry workers who will be losing their jobs).
My point is, raise taxes on the rich, decrease their disposable income and then the middle. lower classes will really be hurting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:14 AM on 10/13/2008
- 23000Days I'm a Fan of 23000Days 118 fans permalink
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The Clinton years defy your entire spiel.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 AM on 10/13/2008

if you don't mind me asking, what is your family income?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 AM on 10/13/2008

low 6 figures-in an expensive area to llive-three kids-all very good students-all going to state university (luckily its a good one)-cold have swung private but not worth the cost to us or the debt to them (and as I say state school is very good-Oldest son will likey join low paying profession of helping people. Middle child wants to make $. Youngest will be happy anywhere.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:27 PM on 10/13/2008
- condew I'm a Fan of condew 11 fans permalink

You give the rich too much credit as consumers. Some are conspicuous consumers, but the bulk of production and consumption is by everybody else. Ordinary people buy the cars, the fast food, the cloathing. Your theory is false on points 2 and 3.

As to point 4, rich people may invest in business, facilitating jobs, but more often these days they choose to move jobs to China and sell Chinese goods in the US; bleeding the economy and draininging its vitality. Instead of I buy a tool from Sears, who buys the tool wholesale from a domestic factory who pays the worker who buys the fast food that keeps my job viable, it becomes I buy a tool from WalMart, and the money goes to China. One job instead of three, but lots of easy profit.

The rich should pay high taxes when they beed us, and get good tax credits when they do what our economy needs. After all, they get rich by paying their employees less than they are worth while charging their customers more than the product should cost. When an American product is replaced by a Chinese product on the retail shelf, the price does not go down.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 AM on 10/13/2008

umm, no-upper middle class.weal­thy buy far more cars, clothes, electronics, furniture and so on than others-food is purchased/consumed proportionately. I don't know a whole lot of non wealthy to consume sertvices-cleaning help? yard help? tutors? trainers? window washers? accountants? dog walkers? painters? The list goes on-but the people who consume services are usually (not exclusively) finacially comfortable and the provider of the services less so. When the service is cancelled guess who suffers financially -its not the well off consumer-he can go without/do it himself-its the provider who now has to replace the lost income.
And your final sentence is incomprehensible. If the American product was overpriced (as you are claiming) than the Chinese product should be cheaper-but as its not (your point) then the American price must have been fair?

I do think outsourcing jobs overseas is wrong and that corporations should be incentivized to keep jobs at home

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:24 PM on 10/13/2008
- saltpeter I'm a Fan of saltpeter 61 fans permalink

Do you want a medal? TRICKLE DOWN theory is a false flag. Waiting for the providence of the very wealthy to throw the working or Middle Class a bone isn't and hasn't worked. During the Bush administration REAL INCOME for the average American has gone down $2000 (that's a mortgage payment or two and it makes the difference between owning a house and being foreclosed upon). This was happening while the Dow was reaching it's all time high. If real wages are going down for the VAST MAJORITY of Americans and they rely more and more on credit instead of real income then you have the making of the perfect storm of trickle down debt that we are now seeing. Since the years of Reagan, Americans have replaced real income with credit and have built a DELUSION of wealth where there wasn't really any. The only trickling down that was happening in America is giving the masses little rectangular pieces of plastic that was supposed to compensate for the lack of quality jobs. Before Reagan, the number one employer in America was GM, now it is Wal-mart. Which job do you think is more likely to enhance a families ability to pay for a house and a college tuition?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:50 AM on 10/13/2008

When the billionaires of this country have extra money, they buy more boats. The owner of the boat business is a billionaire himself, who pays his employees minimum wage and they struggle to pay for healthcare and their mortgages while he goes and buys a private jet.

Taxing the rich isn't going to make the economy nosedive, people will ALWAYS want to make the most money in the economy that they possibly can. But maybe they'll have to settle for one less boat this year.

It's a simplistic way to put it I admit, but I'm convinced it is true. America is the richest country on Earth, and I'm convinced everyone should have the ability to live a decent life, albeit some will be ridiculously more wealthy than others. That's not socialism, it's fairness.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 AM on 10/13/2008

we are n where close to billionaires, nor would we ever be able to afford to buy a boat-yet under Obama/Biden our taxes will still go up-as will everyone who makes more than the current ceiling for ss taxes-and thats way under the $250,000 he keeps talking about-just like the AMT it will catch many unsuspecting people. And, boat building is a union job -most in the industry are making at least 3 times minimum wage.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:12 PM on 10/13/2008

Paul Krugman, isn't he the same guy that was lambasted on this Blog because he supported Hillary Clinton during the Democratic Primaries? Now that he has become an Obamabot, he deserves the Nobel Prize in Economics. YOU PEOPLE are hypocrites to the end and surely deserve what you are getting because of it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 AM on 10/13/2008
- 23000Days I'm a Fan of 23000Days 118 fans permalink
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I wis you deserved what your're about to recieve: the greatest presidency this century will likely see.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:30 AM on 10/13/2008
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