Huge Wildfires Force Frantic Evacuations In LA

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SHAYA TAYEFE MOHAJER | October 13, 2008 10:20 PM EST | AP

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Traffic snakes up a road as residents flee their hillside homes during a fast moving, wind driven brush fire in the Sylmar area of the San Fernando Valley in Los Angeles, Monday, Oct. 13, 2008. Intense Santa Ana winds swept into Southern California Monday morning and whipped up a 3,000-acre wildfire, forcing the closure of a major freeway during rush hour and burning mobile homes and industrial buildings. (AP Photo/Dan Steinberg)

LOS ANGELES — Two huge wildfires driven by strong Santa Ana winds burned into neighborhoods near Los Angeles on Monday, forcing frantic evacuations on smoke- and traffic-choked highways, destroying homes and causing at least two deaths.

Around sunset, residents were warned to stay on alert during the night and winds more than 60 mph were forecast.

More than 1,000 firefighters and nine water-dropping aircraft battled the 4,700-acre Marek Fire at the northeast end of the San Fernando Valley, and the 5,000-acre Sesnon Fire at the west end.

Winds blew up to 45 mph with gusts reaching 70 mph at midday. They were forecast to diminish in the evening before roaring over 60 mph after 11 p.m.

"This fire has the real potential of moving from where it is now ... as far as Pacific Coast (Highway)," said Los Angeles County Fire Chief P. Michael Freeman.

Residents downwind were warned to remain alert into the night. "It can go from here to the ocean in a matter of two to three hours," said Los Angeles County Supervisor Zev Yaroslavsky.

Authorities confirmed more than three-dozen mobile homes burned at the Marek Fire and TV news helicopter crews counted about 10 homes destroyed by the Sesnon Fire. More than 15 square miles were charred by both flames combined.

"It is a blowtorch we can't get in front of," said Los Angeles County fire Inspector Frank Garrido.

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Fire officials alerted other communities to the west in the Ventura County city of Simi Valley and south to Malibu, 20 miles away, as an ominous plume streamed over neighborhoods and far out to sea.

Residents were not allowed to drive into one of Porter Ranch's gated communities because officials wanted to keep roads clear for emergency vehicles. Instead they parked their cars, ran to their homes and carried out whatever they could carry in pillow cases, in their arms, sacks and suitcases. Some ran out clutching paintings.

Freeman warned people not to stay home after evacuation orders had been given. "You may not be able to even outrun this fire," he said.

A man was killed in four-vehicle crash on the nearby 118 Freeway. California Highway Patrol Officer Leland Tang said traffic had stopped because firefighters were going by as fire neared the route. At some point, motorists stopped on the freeway because of the flames and CHP officers turned them around to use an on-ramp as an exit, said CHP Capt. J.D. Goodwin.

Earlier, a fatality was discovered at the Marek Fire, an area where neighborhoods abut rugged canyonlands below the mountainous Angeles National forest. The man appeared to have been a transient living in a makeshift shelter, officials said.

About 1,200 people evacuated due to the Marek Fire, which was just 5 percent contained.

"We could have had an army there and it would not have stopped it," Los Angeles Fire Department Battalion Chief Mario Rueda said. "Wind is king here, it's dictating everything we are doing."

Mobile home park resident Glenn Bell said he and another park resident broke a padlock on an emergency exit gate to escape at daybreak. "If we hadn't broke open that gate, there would be people dead up there," he said.

Olive View-UCLA Medical Center moved five of its most fragile patients to other hospitals. Spokeswoman Carla Nino said the four newborns and the fifth patient were on ventilators and were the most difficult to transport. Some other patients were discharged but the hospital decided it was not necessary to evacuate about 180 others.

The dry and warm Santa Ana winds typically blow between October and February. As they whistle through Southern California canyons and valleys, they accelerate, drying out vegetation and hastening the spread of any fires that erupt.

"This is what we feared the most," Los Angeles County fire Capt. Mark Savage said. "The winds that were expected _ they have arrived."

Flames jumped the Foothill Freeway, which was closed in both directions for about a three-mile stretch in northern Los Angeles between the 118 Freeway and Interstate 5 amid the morning rush hour, officials said.

"That was quite a jump. That's an eight-lane fire break," said fire spokesman Inspector Paul Hartwell.

The South Coast Air Quality Management District advised Monday that air quality may be unhealthful due to the fires and urged people to avoid outdoor activities.

The Red Cross said about 500 people registered at an evacuation center at San Fernando High School. Agency spokesman Nick Samaniego said some evacuees had seen news footage of their homes burning.

"You can imagine, it's a devastating situation," he said. "A lot of people on pins and needles waiting to hear news about their communities."

Most schools in the area were closed Monday.

In San Diego County, a wildfire that began on an explosives training range at Camp Pendleton forced the evacuation of a military housing area and 100 nearby homes in Oceanside.

Firefighters also contained smaller blazes elsewhere in southern California.

In northern California, a blaze charred more than half of Angel Island in San Francisco Bay, but spared historical structures on the island, including an immigration station that was the first stop for millions of immigrants, mostly from China, in the early 1900s.

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Associated Press writers Greg Risling, Thomas Watkins, Alicia Chang, Christina Hoag and John Rogers contributed to this report.

LOS ANGELES — Two huge wildfires driven by strong Santa Ana winds burned into neighborhoods near Los Angeles on Monday, forcing frantic evacuations on smoke- and traffic-choked highways, destroy...
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- wordvarc I'm a Fan of wordvarc 32 fans permalink

The Politics of Fire: Living by Crisis, Fire to Fire.

In the 1950's and 1960's there were year round fire crews who did controlled burns and maintained firebreaks in the winter to keep massive fires from causing severe destruction. They were deemed 'too expensive.'

Now we have at least one fire crisis every winter and 'contractors' who are far more expensive than the old system.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:53 PM on 10/16/2008
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I'm not worried my tax dollars will be to the rescue to rebuild all the homes that are even slightly damaged. That's what the American taxpayer is there for. Why avoid living in an area that repeatedly burns down if the taxpaying suckers will pay to rebuild? Why let loggers thin forests and remove brush that contributes to such huge fires when we can pass laws that prevent them because trees are so pretty. So what if they burn down occasionally the tooth fairy will give the government all the money it needs to rebuild again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:00 AM on 10/14/2008
- wordvarc I'm a Fan of wordvarc 32 fans permalink

Maybe, but it beats lying to start unjust pre-emptive interminable wars across the world.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:09 PM on 10/16/2008

Fires and slides are just a part of life here. It's a natural part of the ecology. Sometimes civilization gets in the way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 AM on 10/14/2008

As you can tell from my screen name, I'm not from California. My question every year is if these massive fires could be prevented by controlled burns before the winds come? IS the vegetation too moist to burn before the Santa Anna's come? Out here in flyover country farm fields and prairies are burned every spring, although the reasons are ecological not preventative. My heart goes out to people who lose everything, but with the caveat that goes to people who build in flood plains here, hope you're insured.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:47 AM on 10/14/2008
- wordvarc I'm a Fan of wordvarc 32 fans permalink

Excellent point.

We did that before in the 1960's. However, common sense and prevention left with our 'conservative deregulate small government lower taxes' mode that has us paying contractors far more than before as we live crisis to crisis.

"An ounce of prevention is better than a pound of cure"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 PM on 10/16/2008

This is upsetting, the swimming pool is full of ash, and both the Benz and the Bemmer need to be detailed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:19 AM on 10/14/2008

You're a jerk.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:10 PM on 10/16/2008
- wordvarc I'm a Fan of wordvarc 32 fans permalink

But very funny.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 PM on 10/16/2008
- mergina I'm a Fan of mergina 93 fans permalink
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Here we are again, ANOTHER YEAR, ANOTHER SANTA ANNA WIND, ANOTHER FIRE being found with painful futility by a small army of firefighters with a hose if they are lucky, a pick, an axe, an occasional plane dumping what seems like the equivalent of a thimble full of retardant on a fire raging out of control that is seems to have little or no effect on.

One can only wonder in sad disbelief why, year after year, this is the NORM for battling these sure to happen fires? Why with the technology in place to create an arsenal to combat these fires that could work to extinguish LARGE FIRES INSTANTANEOUSLY, is this arsenal not being produced? It is a fire, and a fire can only exist with certain properties in place. Eliminate those properties with an arsenal designed to do just that, and end this yearly painful dance we are all forced to watch in horror year after year after year as the fire wins, the humans lose, the environment loses, the wildlife loses, and California's economy loses. In the nearby years to come, you will not even have enough water resources to help battle these blazes anywhere west of Colorado.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:24 AM on 10/14/2008
- Nishnabe I'm a Fan of Nishnabe 31 fans permalink
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Hmmm, one of the reasons I am voting for Obama/Biden is they have promised to include native people in the discussions ahead about how we change society for the future. And the past is prologue. Most of the ecology of California is fire dependent but when the Spanish came in, they forbid Indian people to continue the practice of firing sections of the ecosystem to avoid this very conflagration that happens every year. Only in the last fifty years have researchers begun to do what Native Americans said should be done to avoid these uncontrollable wildfires. In fact, all over the west the ecology is fire dependent. Far from being knuckle-dragging "savages," Indian people knew the environment intimately and our philosophies deserve to be heard as we redefine the nature of god and nature. One thing that can be done immediately is to stop allowing housing developments in fire prone areas. The other is to require all new housing in SoCal to be able to stand alone in terms of the energy use; solar, wind, and so on. Just some thoughts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:55 AM on 10/14/2008

This happens every year. So far this year has been pretty good. We have excellent equipment, although we had to do some financial tricks with Canada to get new tanker plains. Yes, it would be nice to have newer and better equipment, but there is no such thing as a tech device that puts out a ten mile long wall of fire. You are full of crap. That said, I would also point out that there is no reason to do this. These hills need to burn. If you stop them from burning, then they will just be twice as bad next year. Many of the plants in our hills use fire as a means to fertize soil and spread seeds. If we stop them from burning, then when they do burn they kill the plant. So basicly it comes down to this. Your leaves turn color and fall off, ours burst into flame.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:18 AM on 10/14/2008

This really isnt THAT bad. I live in LA county, and fires are pretty normal during the fall/winter season. Californians are very resilient people. The misconception that we have alot of earthquakes is crap. It is true that we have alot of earthquakes, around 10,000 a year, but they are all so small and so deep in the earth they would never be felt by anyone. The last big quake we had was in 1994, once or twice a year we will get one we can actually feel, but it would be around a 5.5 or so and does little if any damage to anything. Only a couple trailers got burned, no biggy, until it starts to burn down a couple 5000 sqft mini-mansions, then we call it a state emergency. We have such huge houses here, and so many mexicans to rebuild them that if a fire comes we just take our Picasso's and fully clothed mini-dogs, and wait it out at some hotel until we can see if its damaged the house just enough so that the insurrance will pay for that new theater room and outdoor kitchen we always wanted. This fire is actually in a rather nice area, thats why its getting such big coverage. My aunt lives near it, she just called me to tell me everything was fine, and also brought up that she was currently shopping at the new Neiman Marcus that they just built by her house.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 AM on 10/14/2008

55-70 mph winds could start up in an hour or two and then the Sesnon fire can go anywhere -- even down to the 101, jumping the 101 and to the ocean in the matter of hours -- in a worst case situation.

Our cats are nervously eyeing the carriers which we got out of our garage and put in the living room, just in case.

For an idea of the terrain and vegetation, picture that of MASH which was filmed nearby.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:03 AM on 10/14/2008

G-d BLESS all FIREFIGHTERS..... Especially those in Southern California!!!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:49 AM on 10/14/2008
- shockmagog I'm a Fan of shockmagog 139 fans permalink
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Oat Mountain Weather Station, overlooking Porter Ranch:
http://www.aircommservices.com/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 AM on 10/14/2008
- darthdarcy I'm a Fan of darthdarcy 48 fans permalink
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Wildfires, Earthquakes, Gangs, man California is a dangerous place..

"If the lightin don't get ya, the thunder will..!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 PM on 10/13/2008
- kellygrrrl I'm a Fan of kellygrrrl 642 fans permalink
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it's really not bad, on the whole
but
Santa Ana Winds are Wicked
and
Wildfires are NO JOKE
however
The CA Firefighters are second to none

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:56 PM on 10/13/2008
- tomjones44 I'm a Fan of tomjones44 4 fans permalink

wouldn't it be nice to have a lot more of them though

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 AM on 10/14/2008

Hurricanes, tsunamis and cyclones....the world is pretty much a dangerous place.

I hope they are able to get it under control.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 AM on 10/14/2008
- wndrwrthg I'm a Fan of wndrwrthg 39 fans permalink
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Yet people keep on coming.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 AM on 10/14/2008
- JulieDole I'm a Fan of JulieDole 31 fans permalink
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I dunno... on an annual , per capita basis you are more likely to die elsewhere of summer heat, winter cold, tornadoes, hurricanes, or floods. At least as regards to earthquakes. And as long as you build away from the obvious places like mudslide areas or firebrush, you're in good shape.

Me, I live on a hill by the beach. Too steep for troublemakers, too far away for tsunamis, miles from fire-prone scrub, and sitting on bedrock that dissuades earthquake ripples (I was here during the last big one - no big deal here...)

I mean, if Cali were that bad, we would wouldn't have all those electoral delegates. Heck, my brother was in NJ when they had a temblor some years ago, and those cities aren't even earthquake ready.

On second thought - yeah, stay away from Cali, it's awful here!! ;)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:16 AM on 10/14/2008

no no no..it's "if the thunder don't get you then the lightning will." -Robert Hunter (Grateful Dead lyricist.)...carry on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:58 AM on 10/14/2008
- Yermammy I'm a Fan of Yermammy 137 fans permalink
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Man, that photo looks like something out of "Independence Day". That fire is monstrous!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 PM on 10/13/2008

John is burning crosses...any relation here?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 PM on 10/13/2008

wonder what the end timers will make of this...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 PM on 10/13/2008
- kellygrrrl I'm a Fan of kellygrrrl 642 fans permalink
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Endtimers would never step foot in CA
nor would they be welcome here

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 PM on 10/13/2008
- fiorastar I'm a Fan of fiorastar 64 fans permalink
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Oh, come on! I lived in CA for awhile and there are some interesting endtimers there! Of course, they all live on Venice Beach.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 AM on 10/14/2008
- MajorKong I'm a Fan of MajorKong 404 fans permalink
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I thought Orange County was full of 'em?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:09 AM on 10/14/2008

uh, you ever heard of Heaven's Gate?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:14 AM on 10/14/2008
- wordvarc I'm a Fan of wordvarc 32 fans permalink

Chuck Smith of Calvary Chapel and "The Children of God." started on the beach in Orange County.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 PM on 10/16/2008
- Kassandra I'm a Fan of Kassandra 107 fans permalink
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Say! Did Blackwater ever take over that town (Potrero )after the last batch of fires????? Interesting this one was started at a military base.

Poor California. That last one nearly took out San Diego. No wonder they're having budget problems.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:11 PM on 10/13/2008
- kellygrrrl I'm a Fan of kellygrrrl 642 fans permalink
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Nope! we scared them away! Send Thank You note to Courage Campaign California!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 PM on 10/13/2008
- wordvarc I'm a Fan of wordvarc 32 fans permalink

Really? No Blackwater near San Diego?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 PM on 10/16/2008

Yes. They obtained another facility without telling anyone who they were, but the news was distracted by another issue (boy Bush/Cheny are good at generating them) and they were forgotten.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:24 AM on 10/14/2008
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