Ithaca Aims To Be America's First "Podcar" City

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WILLIAM KATES | October 13, 2008 12:56 AM EST | AP

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ITHACA, N.Y. — The thought of a driverless, computer-guided car transporting people where they want to go on demand is a futuristic notion to some.

To Jacob Roberts, podcars _ or PRTs, for personal rapid transit _ represent an important component in the here-and-now of transportation.

"It's time we design cities for the human, not for the automobile," said Roberts, president of Connect Ithaca, a group of planning and building professionals, activists and students committed to making this upstate New York college town the first podcar community in the United States.

"In the podcar ... it creates the perfect blend between the privacy and autonomy of the automobile with the public transportation aspect and, of course, it uses clean energy," Roberts said.

With the oil crisis reaching a zenith and federal lawmakers ready to begin fashioning a new national transportation bill for 2010, Roberts and his colleagues think the future is now for podcars _ electric, automated, lightweight vehicles that ride on their own network separate from other traffic.

Unlike mass transit, podcars carry two to 10 passengers, giving travelers the freedom and privacy of their own car while reducing the use of fossil fuels, reducing traffic congestion and freeing up space now monopolized by parking.

At stations located every block or every half-mile, depending on the need, a rider enters a destination on a computerized pad, and a car would take the person nonstop to the location. Stations would have slanted pull-in bays so that some cars could stop for passengers, while others could continue unimpeded on the main course.

"It works almost like an elevator, but horizontally," said Roberts, adding podcar travel would be safer than automobile travel.

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The podcar is not entirely new. A limited version with larger cars carrying up to 15 passengers was built in 1975 in Morgantown, W.Va., and still transports West Virginia University students.

Next year, Heathrow Airport outside London will unveil a pilot podcar system to ferry air travelers on the ground. Companies in Sweden, Poland and Korea are already operating full-scale test tracks to demonstrate the feasibility. Designers are planning a podcar network for Masdar City, outside Abu Dhabi, which is being built as the world's first zero-carbon, zero-waste city.

Meanwhile, more than a dozen cities in Sweden are planning podcar systems as part of the country's commitment to be fossil-fuel-free by 2020, said Hans Lindqvist, a councilman from Varmdo, Sweden, and chairman of Kompass, an association of groups and municipalities behind the Swedish initiative.

"Today's transportation system is reaching a dead end," said Lindqvist, a former member of the European parliament.

Cars have dominated the cityscape for nearly a century, taking up valuable space while polluting the air, said Magnus Hunhammar, chief executive officer of the Stockholm-based Institute for Sustainable Transportation, the world's leading center on podcar technology.

"Something has to change," he said. "We aren't talking about replacing the automobile entirely. We are adding something else into the transportation strategy."

Skeptics, however, question whether podcars can ever be more than a novelty mode of transportation, suitable only for limited-area operations, such as airports, colleges and corporate campuses. Detractors, mainly light-rail advocates, say a podcar system would be too complex and expensive.

"It is operationally and economically unfeasible," said Vukan Vuchic, a professor of transportation and engineering at the University of Pennsylvania who has written several books on urban transportation.

"In the city, if you have that much demand, you could build these guideways and afford the millions it would take, but you wouldn't have capacity. In the suburbs, you would have capacity, but the demand would be so thin you couldn't possibly pay for those guideways, elevated stations, control systems and everything else," Vuchic said.

Podcars typically run on an elevated guideway or rails, but they also can run at street level. As a starting point, pilot podcar networks can be built along existing infrastructure, supporters say.

Ithaca Mayor Carol Peterson said a podcar network could be part of her upstate city's long-range transportation plans and its mission of developing urban neighborhoods that are environmentally sustainable and pedestrian-friendly. Ithaca has a long history of progressive achievements _ this summer, it began the first community-wide car sharing program in upstate New York.

In Ithaca, a network could connect the downtown business district and main business boulevard with the campuses of Cornell University and Ithaca College, which sit on hillsides flanking the city. When the two colleges are in session, Ithaca's population balloons from about 30,000 to about 80,000, causing big-city congestion on the city's roads.

Santa Cruz, Calif., recently hired a contractor to design a small solar-powered podcar system that would loop through the city's downtown and along its beach front.

The Institute for Sustainable Transportation predicts a podcar system will be installed in an American city within the next five years, although it is likely to cost tens of millions of dollars. Because of the huge initial investment, funding would have to come from both public and private sectors, IST officials said.

The capital cost is about $25 million to $40 million per mile, which includes guideways, vehicles and stations, compared with $100 million to $300 million a mile for light-rail or subway systems, according to the IST.

Although the plan for Ithaca is only in the conceptual stages, Roberts sees the city as a logical place for the country's first community-wide podcar network, noting that construction of the Erie Canal across upstate New York in the early 1800s revolutionized commercial transportation in a young America.

"Buffalo, Rochester, Syracuse, Albany are connected along a single line, the Erie Canal. Now, they are connected by the (New York State) Thruway. It would be easy to adapt. You could have a high-speed rail line, or even buses, deliver travelers to the podcar stations, and the podcars take them wherever they want to go in the city," he said.

But podcar developers say they have overcome most technological obstacles and now must overcome the political and cultural barriers that lie ahead, equating it to the mind-set revolution that occurred when Americans hitched up their horses for good to become a nation of motorists.

"We are introducing an alternative to the automobile for the first time in 100 years," said Christopher Perkins, chief executive officer of Unimodal Transport Solutions, a California company that builds podcars that operate on magnetic levitation instead of wheels.

"But if you look back 100 years, you saw that we made the transition from the horse to the car. I think we are ready to make another transition," he said.

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On the Net:

Institute for Sustainable Transportation: http://www.podcar.org

Unimodal Transport Solutions: http://www.unimodal.com

Santa Cruz Podcars: http://www.podcars.us

ITHACA, N.Y. — The thought of a driverless, computer-guided car transporting people where they want to go on demand is a futuristic notion to some. To Jacob Roberts, podcars _ or PRTs, for pers...
ITHACA, N.Y. — The thought of a driverless, computer-guided car transporting people where they want to go on demand is a futuristic notion to some. To Jacob Roberts, podcars _ or PRTs, for pers...
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- BlueBoomer I'm a Fan of BlueBoomer 28 fans permalink

Ithaca is a special community tucked near NY State wine country and the Finger Lakes... It is the home of Cornell University and a great culinary school, and the area was also a hot bed for the suffrarage movement.

A beautiful place in all the ways that could possibly define beauty.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:43 PM on 10/16/2008
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PRT Is a Waste of Money

Sorry to puncture this balloon, but personal rapid transit (PRT) - aka the PodCar - has basically been a COLOSSAL FAILURE as a concept.

Here's the core problem: The capital investment cost is relatively huge for a system with minuscule capacity. If such a system would ever materialize, you would see extensive elevated guideways over your streets, and elevated stations - stairs, elevators, platforms, etc. - every few blocks. And keep in mind that the guideways ("tracks") QUADRUPLE at stations - you need 2 tracks for "express" cars and 2 tracks to serve each station.

For all this, you get basically a kind of tiny automated TAXICAB holding perhaps 4 people (fewer if one passenger is in a wheelchair). Over 40 years, PRT has seen almost no commercial development, and lots of failure. It's basically a boondoggle that will suck money from more viable transit concepts such as light rail and Quality Bus. Ithaca would do far better to consider a streetcar or light rail system.

For more info, see:

Personal Rapid Transit - Cyberspace Dream Keeps Colliding With Reality
http://www.lightrailnow.org/facts/fa_prt001.htm

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:40 PM on 10/16/2008
- iLogos I'm a Fan of iLogos 4 fans permalink

The problem with your argument is that there is no need for there to be much difference between a RPT and Lightrail. RPT can operate on street level just as a LRT can operate elevated.

The real differences that one can illustrate between them, why LRT is more affordable and easier to implement are the precise reasons why it is also less convenient and have less of an ecological impact.

LRT depends on tracks going to the furthest parts of the city and even into the connected suburbs as well as creating a business loop. However it abandons significant parts of the city.

RPT could be set up the same way... but the strength of RPT is the small size and the ability to lay tracks that criss cross a city center allowing the pods to drop someone within blocks of their destination rather than miles.

You also have to look at the scalability of LRT versus RPT. The old designs of RPT did require a lot more work to scale... the same amount with the same failings as LRT. However there are new designs and conceptual work being created that ill make scaling RPT incredibly easy.

Essentially LRT is a more efficient train system... a slight update of an old concept. RPT is a true re-imagining of transportation. I'm not convinced that today is the day for RPT, but I am convinced that continued investment in LRT at the expense of development of RPT is counter-productive.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 PM on 10/19/2008
- BlueBoomer I'm a Fan of BlueBoomer 28 fans permalink

Interestin­g... WestVirginia was just 30 YEARS ahead of it's time...

Pretty cool...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:39 PM on 10/16/2008

Friends ~
Yes, I know! Madmen (and Madwomen?) throughout history have done what I'm about to do...but I'm going to do it anyway!
I had a fantasy/vision of what this article calls a podcar...w­hen I was in high school! (I graduated in 1967 so this was a loooooong time ago!) I'm delighted that this concept appears to be close to becoming a reality! Go Ithaca!
2002's "Minority Report" had a sequence featuring a "podcar" and a little thrill went through my body when I saw it.
Even the idea of it being something like a horizontal elevator resonates with me. I have a recurring dream where I'm running late for a meeting, get into the wrong elevator, press a button and discover that I'm in a horizontal elevator and I end up miles from the meeting I'm trying to attend!
"Life Is a Wonder!" James Dillett Freeman.
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Michael Gray-Jordan
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 PM on 10/16/2008

In all reality this may not be a bad idea. I was a student at WVU in Morgantown about 3 years ago and the PRT system was really convenient to go between campuses and parking garages (regular citizens could use it for a price). I think that once the logistics are worked out this could be a really great transportation concept for small or medium sized communities.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:52 PM on 10/16/2008

The Santa Cruz proposal seems interestin­g...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:22 PM on 10/16/2008
- prog I'm a Fan of prog 17 fans permalink
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All I can think of are those cool Logan's Run cars.

I've been waiting for this idea to be real since I was a kid. I hope it turns out to be practical.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 PM on 10/16/2008

There is nothing special about these things. You can see them at most larger airports. They are a pain to use. They are a pain to operate. The only reason why they make some sense at airports is that airport shuttles are an even bigger pain because you have to move your luggage around and now it's out one terminal and into another and crossing the street and ugh.... don't even want to think about that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:22 PM on 10/16/2008

That's why the Interstate Traveler is so much better. It is spacious, fast and can operate with NO GOVERNMENT SUBSIDIES! Best of all, it is completely green.
Learn more at
HydrogenSuperhighway.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:27 PM on 10/16/2008

Monoraaail­....monora­aaaiil....­monoraaaaa­aiiilll!

Mono...D'O­H!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 AM on 10/16/2008

All that is needed for this mindset shift to occur is for people to see it for themselves. Earlier this year I travelled to Europe for the first time in my life. I stayed in Munich and visited some sites a few hours out of town. I never once needed to rent a car or catch a taxi. I could get from anywhere to anywhere else in the city for a cheap price and never had to walk more than a few blocks to or from the subway or rail stations. I came home wishing that the US had an extensive mass transport system like this. I could go weeks without driving my car, probably much more.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 AM on 10/16/2008

A great American by the name of Justin Sutton is working on the solution right now. He already has received MULTIPLE government endorsements and the Sir Isaac Newton Award from the American Computer Science Association.

Your members of Congress need to know that you want it built. Details appear at

HydrogenSuperhighway.com

No government monies of any kind are required - just the use of the land (for which the system pays millions of dollars of rent)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:29 PM on 10/16/2008

Cool. Another prophet trying to sell a self proclaimed genius.

And why does a Computer Science Association give out an Award named after Newton??? That just smells of amateurism. And if you go to their website, you will find that it doesn't just smell like it...

What a waste of time.

:-)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:41 PM on 10/16/2008
- wwja I'm a Fan of wwja permalink

as an ex and probably future ithaca resident this is the first time i've heard of this. it is definitely interesting but also kind of scary. just trying to imagine how it would fit into the landscape. love to see more about this and i'm off to do just that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 AM on 10/16/2008

Sorry, I'm from Morgantown WV and the PRT gets you around town and across town easily. This is not a limited system and has been in place since the 1970's. I'm always amazed at how people make fun of the WV people in general that live there when the state really has two distinct northern and southern populations.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morgantown_Personal_Rapid_Transit
Who knew WV would be 40 years ahead in this area.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 PM on 10/15/2008

5 stations is not a limited system?

Well, actually..­. if you read the documentation about the system, you can immediately tell what the real problem in Morgantown is: the university is built like suburbia with three disjoint campuses.

So you got a poorly designed system to fix the problems of another poorly designed system...

Thanks. But no, thanks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 PM on 10/16/2008
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Finally some town somewhere is thinking about mass transit. I have had an idea for several years now that doesn't rely on 19th century rails for it's 'grid'. It is cheaper, won't take up any more surface space, won't tie up traffic for years, can easily be added to as needed. Doesn't pollute and will be an instant tourist attraction. Create a 'web' of overhead cable cars like those that are used at ski resorts the world over. These can easily be installed above existing roads to 'hubs' spaced out every other block or whatever distance imaginable. I'm not sure how fast these things could go, but even over long distances cable cars would travel faster than a gridlocked freeway during rush hour. The hubs would have coffee shops, news-stands, etc. Everything that a train station or airport has now. Another plus would be the tourist aspect. You almost can't pay people to ride buses or light rail. A cable car system would have people traveling downtown just for the thrill of a ride. I've seen cars that can carry twenty-thirty people or as many as a smelly diesel bus can carry on a good day. Hopefully a twenty first century deep thinker will see the merit to this plan and begin the steps necessary to implement this. Just as people instantly know the names associated with the Space Needle, the Eiffel tower, etc, the first city to implement this will automatically become a world class tourist attraction.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 PM on 10/15/2008

True... it's not 19th century technology what you are proposing. It's 15th century technology.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chairlift

NEXT!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 PM on 10/16/2008
- Myshkin57 I'm a Fan of Myshkin57 16 fans permalink

Why is the century that the basic idea was developed relevant to evaluating it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:12 PM on 10/16/2008
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True enough. But to use such a system for MASS transit is new. It shouldn't be too hard to imagine these lines strung out over a city like a spider web allowing you to go quickly, quietly, cleanly, and efficiently anywhere in the city. Something must be done and the sooner we start thinking up new ideas the better off we'll be. Any kind of rail, be it light rail or subway, won't do. It is prohibitively expensive and takes much too long for the end users and taxpayers to see any results. Overhead cable systems are cheap and won't take up any more valuable real estate.
This may or not be the ultimate plan. I just believe that society needs to start thinking out of the box for solutions and I have yet to hear this idea put forth by anyone. BTW, I am not in the cable car industry so I don't have any 'agenda' for pushing this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 AM on 10/17/2008

Great idea but it's time to be even MORE intrepid! The Interstate Traveler does everything you imagined and much more - while being completely green. Read more and watch the simulation video for free at

HydrogenSuperhighway.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:31 PM on 10/16/2008
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For long distances I think this may be the way to go. I don't see it working well or being as cost effective in the inner city though. Thnks for the link.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:54 AM on 10/17/2008

@kettal - What happened to biking? or walking? my bicycle gets great mileage.

Not everyone can bike or walk, nor do they want to. I bike, walk and run. But when I'm out I see many people who are unable to move around like I can: people with disabilities, older people, overweight people. I know healthy people who have no interest in biking downtown or walking to the grocery store and hauling bags back home. I thinks it's a great idea to develop green transportation for the non-bikers and walkers among us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 PM on 10/15/2008
- Myshkin57 I'm a Fan of Myshkin57 16 fans permalink

i understand that not everyone CAN bike places and not every city is set up for it. However, for those in cities in which it can be done safely and who are in good health, they should make the sacrifice for the good of everyone to bike when it is feasible. I don't mean that you should have to bike everywhere, but fuel consumption problems and traffic problems could be significantly reduced if all able-bodied people would bike when it is feasible. And, it could have other subsidiary effects, like better health, that help everyone who pays taxes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 PM on 10/16/2008

Congratulations on wonderful project!!
Careful though, Mr. Roberts has a history of losing Ithaca's money:
http://www.theithacajournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080829/NEWS01/808290331/1002

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:32 PM on 10/15/2008
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I don't know anything about Ithaca. However, I am residing in Morgantown, WV where WVU is located and to be frank, there is nothing effective about the Personal Rapid Transit (PRT). First of all, there is nothing rapid about it. The transport system runs at a rate no faster than 25 miles per hour if that. Secondly, the mobile units can only comfortably seat eight people. If there are more than eight people, you would feel more packed than a can of sardines since there is very leg room in the cart in the first place. Thirdly, the system itself hasn't been efficient. For example, of the few times that I have used the PRT to get to the library, I had to wait close to 15-20 minutes before a car or two would appear sometimes with a group of 30-40 students. Some of these students used the PRT to get from South Campus to North Campus only to be habitually late due to the timing of some of the cars. It may have the timing of the operators or the fact that the system was designed back in 1975 using FORTRAN code. However, the point that I am making is that when public transit is not designed to transport a capacity in mass, it defeats the purpose of having public transportation in the first place. It people need to get to places at short distances, they either need to walk or take the bus.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 PM on 10/15/2008
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