Ithaca Aims To Be America's First "Podcar" City

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WILLIAM KATES | October 13, 2008 12:56 AM EST | AP

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ITHACA, N.Y. — The thought of a driverless, computer-guided car transporting people where they want to go on demand is a futuristic notion to some.

To Jacob Roberts, podcars _ or PRTs, for personal rapid transit _ represent an important component in the here-and-now of transportation.

"It's time we design cities for the human, not for the automobile," said Roberts, president of Connect Ithaca, a group of planning and building professionals, activists and students committed to making this upstate New York college town the first podcar community in the United States.

"In the podcar ... it creates the perfect blend between the privacy and autonomy of the automobile with the public transportation aspect and, of course, it uses clean energy," Roberts said.

With the oil crisis reaching a zenith and federal lawmakers ready to begin fashioning a new national transportation bill for 2010, Roberts and his colleagues think the future is now for podcars _ electric, automated, lightweight vehicles that ride on their own network separate from other traffic.

Unlike mass transit, podcars carry two to 10 passengers, giving travelers the freedom and privacy of their own car while reducing the use of fossil fuels, reducing traffic congestion and freeing up space now monopolized by parking.

At stations located every block or every half-mile, depending on the need, a rider enters a destination on a computerized pad, and a car would take the person nonstop to the location. Stations would have slanted pull-in bays so that some cars could stop for passengers, while others could continue unimpeded on the main course.

"It works almost like an elevator, but horizontally," said Roberts, adding podcar travel would be safer than automobile travel.

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The podcar is not entirely new. A limited version with larger cars carrying up to 15 passengers was built in 1975 in Morgantown, W.Va., and still transports West Virginia University students.

Next year, Heathrow Airport outside London will unveil a pilot podcar system to ferry air travelers on the ground. Companies in Sweden, Poland and Korea are already operating full-scale test tracks to demonstrate the feasibility. Designers are planning a podcar network for Masdar City, outside Abu Dhabi, which is being built as the world's first zero-carbon, zero-waste city.

Meanwhile, more than a dozen cities in Sweden are planning podcar systems as part of the country's commitment to be fossil-fuel-free by 2020, said Hans Lindqvist, a councilman from Varmdo, Sweden, and chairman of Kompass, an association of groups and municipalities behind the Swedish initiative.

"Today's transportation system is reaching a dead end," said Lindqvist, a former member of the European parliament.

Cars have dominated the cityscape for nearly a century, taking up valuable space while polluting the air, said Magnus Hunhammar, chief executive officer of the Stockholm-based Institute for Sustainable Transportation, the world's leading center on podcar technology.

"Something has to change," he said. "We aren't talking about replacing the automobile entirely. We are adding something else into the transportation strategy."

Skeptics, however, question whether podcars can ever be more than a novelty mode of transportation, suitable only for limited-area operations, such as airports, colleges and corporate campuses. Detractors, mainly light-rail advocates, say a podcar system would be too complex and expensive.

"It is operationally and economically unfeasible," said Vukan Vuchic, a professor of transportation and engineering at the University of Pennsylvania who has written several books on urban transportation.

"In the city, if you have that much demand, you could build these guideways and afford the millions it would take, but you wouldn't have capacity. In the suburbs, you would have capacity, but the demand would be so thin you couldn't possibly pay for those guideways, elevated stations, control systems and everything else," Vuchic said.

Podcars typically run on an elevated guideway or rails, but they also can run at street level. As a starting point, pilot podcar networks can be built along existing infrastructure, supporters say.

Ithaca Mayor Carol Peterson said a podcar network could be part of her upstate city's long-range transportation plans and its mission of developing urban neighborhoods that are environmentally sustainable and pedestrian-friendly. Ithaca has a long history of progressive achievements _ this summer, it began the first community-wide car sharing program in upstate New York.

In Ithaca, a network could connect the downtown business district and main business boulevard with the campuses of Cornell University and Ithaca College, which sit on hillsides flanking the city. When the two colleges are in session, Ithaca's population balloons from about 30,000 to about 80,000, causing big-city congestion on the city's roads.

Santa Cruz, Calif., recently hired a contractor to design a small solar-powered podcar system that would loop through the city's downtown and along its beach front.

The Institute for Sustainable Transportation predicts a podcar system will be installed in an American city within the next five years, although it is likely to cost tens of millions of dollars. Because of the huge initial investment, funding would have to come from both public and private sectors, IST officials said.

The capital cost is about $25 million to $40 million per mile, which includes guideways, vehicles and stations, compared with $100 million to $300 million a mile for light-rail or subway systems, according to the IST.

Although the plan for Ithaca is only in the conceptual stages, Roberts sees the city as a logical place for the country's first community-wide podcar network, noting that construction of the Erie Canal across upstate New York in the early 1800s revolutionized commercial transportation in a young America.

"Buffalo, Rochester, Syracuse, Albany are connected along a single line, the Erie Canal. Now, they are connected by the (New York State) Thruway. It would be easy to adapt. You could have a high-speed rail line, or even buses, deliver travelers to the podcar stations, and the podcars take them wherever they want to go in the city," he said.

But podcar developers say they have overcome most technological obstacles and now must overcome the political and cultural barriers that lie ahead, equating it to the mind-set revolution that occurred when Americans hitched up their horses for good to become a nation of motorists.

"We are introducing an alternative to the automobile for the first time in 100 years," said Christopher Perkins, chief executive officer of Unimodal Transport Solutions, a California company that builds podcars that operate on magnetic levitation instead of wheels.

"But if you look back 100 years, you saw that we made the transition from the horse to the car. I think we are ready to make another transition," he said.

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On the Net:

Institute for Sustainable Transportation: http://www.podcar.org

Unimodal Transport Solutions: http://www.unimodal.com

Santa Cruz Podcars: http://www.podcars.us

ITHACA, N.Y. — The thought of a driverless, computer-guided car transporting people where they want to go on demand is a futuristic notion to some. To Jacob Roberts, podcars _ or PRTs, for pers...
ITHACA, N.Y. — The thought of a driverless, computer-guided car transporting people where they want to go on demand is a futuristic notion to some. To Jacob Roberts, podcars _ or PRTs, for pers...
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Ithaca is a town that cannot even synchronize its traffic lights, thus allowing cars to spew hydrocarbons into the air literally ad nauseum. Some jaded refugees from the NYC area might compare the rush hour here to the jams on the LIE.. Further, the city has never dealt with the jams created when slow-moving freight trains cross and block Route 79; the major route in the from the West, and out towards Watkins Glen and Seneca Lake. In addition, the city has to be one of the most bike UN-friendly small towns in the country: potholed streets, virtually no bike lanes...People like to refer to Ithaca as 10 square miles surrounded by reality. Maybe it's time for the city to attempt to fix the some of the real basics before embracing some harebrained scheme....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:36 PM on 10/15/2008
- Tulka2 I'm a Fan of Tulka2 273 fans permalink
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I read your post with great interest. What do you think about the argument that maybe it's better to create a whole new thing from the ground up rather than patch, patch, patch? Sincere question.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:40 PM on 10/15/2008

I'm not sure that taking simple, concrete steps is any more an instance of patch, patch patch than, say, keeping one's tires inflated to the proper pressure in order to help gain maximum mileage. And I have no problem creating a whole new thing from the ground up. The fact is that Ithaca has done virtually nothing up to this point to merit faith that it could successfully manage such an audacious scheme. Again, I would point to the facts that the city is incapable of synchronizing it's traffic lights, that it remains appallingly unfriendly to alternative means of transportation, and that it seemingly turns a blind eye to improvements in the current infrastructure that might help ease the current mess here. Furthermore, I would be curious as to where the money would come from to completely renew the city's infrastructure. Finally, this particular city, which prides itself on its progressiveness and "green" character, has quite frankly done a pretty piss poor job of implementing even the most rudimentary improvements. Given the demands of this particular project, and given Ithaca's poor track record, the entire thing smacks of a very poorly thought-out scheme. True, Unamuno wrote, "Only he who strives for the absurd can attain the impossible." Sadly, I feel that this particular scheme, in this particular city, would wallow in inescapable absurdity.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:50 PM on 10/15/2008

This kind of system isn't even "a whole new thing". It exists, has been tried over and over again and failed miserably even under the most benign conditions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 PM on 10/16/2008
- JWakkaJane I'm a Fan of JWakkaJane 3 fans permalink

To get a clue what they mean by '10 square miles surrounded by reality' you need to get more than twelve miles away. Familiarity with paradise breeds contempt- been there done that & don't care to wear the T-shirt. Amounts to so much navel-picking when you live on planet Ithaca. Try livin' in a real city where you blow through five-ten bucks moving a mile or two across town in rush hour traffic, nevermind getting out of town, or back across town.The Octopus at it's worst, before the new bridge wasn't nuthin' but a little time to daydream between MOVING time. Try riding a bike in the clusterfuck of traffic with all the pissed-off oblivious and downright homicidal Worcester Masshole drivers for fifteen minutes and see how ludicrous you feel complaining about how terribly "unfriendly" Ithaca is to bikes. If you survive. Kee-Ryst. People actually signal in New York.

Now go out back, kiss the ground, and apologize for being an ungrateful spoiled brat.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:58 AM on 10/16/2008

Name-calling, the use of non-sequitur, defensiveness, and general incoherence... sounds like the basis for reasonable discussion to me!

As Wilson Mizner once noted, "The worst-tempered people I've ever met were the people who knew they were wrong."

Sorry if my comments upset you, or were viewed as a challenge to your happy existence in Cloud-Cuckoo-Land. And for the record, I have lived in several "real cities," as you call them, and yes, I currently reside approximately 15 miles outside the Ithaca city limits. And no, this response to your post is not meant to dignify it in any way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 PM on 10/16/2008
- bbc3341 I'm a Fan of bbc3341 2 fans permalink

This is a pretty cool idea, but how much would it cost? Would you need a bus pass? Maybe a law that says only those w/out cars can ride? Anyway, it's interesting...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:38 PM on 10/15/2008

With the Interstate Traveler, the fare box fee will run about 5 cents per minute BUT can be configured as a free service in limited areas if so desired. Yes, it's that wonderful but also fast and green. Read more at

HydrogenSuperhighway.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:33 PM on 10/16/2008

For a small town of Ithica, this is not practical. What happened to biking? or walking? my bicycle gets great mileage.

Take these podcars to where they belong: Disneyland.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:23 PM on 10/15/2008
- timmmahhhh I'm a Fan of timmmahhhh 69 fans permalink
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Just a thought - maybe it is good to try out in a small town like Ithaca before implementing it in a town where it is more practical. And Ithaca has Cornell University so I'm sure there is a demographic that will embrace this option.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:35 PM on 10/15/2008

You can't just try public transportation on a small scale and then think that it will work the same way on a large scale. For one thing it won't work on the small scale to begin with. These things have been tried and they failed. Secondly, the system has to be adapted to the demographic. Hoping that if you install a system, the people will adapt to it is the same as deliberate planing for failure.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 PM on 10/16/2008

Cycling and walking are very important but often impractical. The Interstate Traveler will accept pedestrians, drivers in their cars and freight. It's not a pie-in-the-sky technology. It's real and developed by a patriot. Read more at

HydrogenSuperhighway.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:34 PM on 10/16/2008
- blood1 I'm a Fan of blood1 12 fans permalink

As a really old codger: I actually took the time to read all of these responses. My opinion: we have to do something different...complaining about "waiting for a bus,train, whatever" is silly...if you can work on a Train, why can't you work using a hand held device why you are waiting...all of you "multi-taskers" don't mind wasting time text messaging, but can't manage to stand still for 15 minutes...hmm.

Transportation has to change for so many reasons, clean air, lack of fuel, etc...so think positively, I am sure there are a lot of engineers who are brimming with ideas that need to be fleshed out to be checked for feasibility. That new thinking is what will be necessary for the remainder of this century and beyond.

Cost is an issue...so someone needs to design a "multiple use system - so that a PRT and other transport modules can all use the same system.

Yes it will be expensive...but once economies of scale kick in...it won't be so bad...look at computers, TV's etc.

So all of you with ideas get ready - it should be a really exciting time...and listen only to constructive criticism.

Hopefully the naysayers will step aside. I have been reminded of "Thumper" so much lately...if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:29 PM on 10/15/2008

"...if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all."

Telling you to go into the library and get a book on public transportation is not being nice? Telling you to visit places all over the world where they are doing it right is not nice? Pointing out what it takes to do it right is not nice?

Why not? Looking at solutions that work is THE fast way of making progress. That's what professionals do. We do not invent the wheel all the time. We learn from those who have invented the wheel or are at least very good at making it.

The problem with public transportation never was the transportation part. The problem always was the public. If it is too spread out, if there are too few, if people travel too far, if they prefer their cars over the buses and trains, no technological solution exists that could make a difference.

So in the end it's really more of a social engineering task than a matter of putting rails down.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:47 PM on 10/15/2008
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You're right when you say that 'transportation has to change'. It does and it seems that all the best minds can only come up with 19th century solutions to 21st century problems. My idea is to use overhead cable cars like those used at ski resorts. these can be installed above existing roadways, are relatively cheap, non-polluting, and would become a tourist attraction almost immediately. You almost can't pay people to ride buses or light rail because these systems offer nothing new in the way of travel. A cable car system could be installed to go any distance and the cars would be on a continuous loop so you'd never have to wait more than a few minutes for the nest car to come along. The commerce at each hub would be comparable to that at any rail station or airport. Coffee shops, news stands, etc. Everyone knows the name of the towns that have the Space Needle, the Eiffel Tower, etc. The first city to implement this system would instantly become a tourist attraction.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 PM on 10/15/2008

I totally agree with you! They think any waiting at all is a huge inconvenience, when that time could be spent doing their usual texting, podcasts, or just reading a book. I love taking the train to work, and have often though that we could use something exactly like this PRT, a car that takes the steering wheel away from people, who just repeatedly prove how bad they drive on highways.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 AM on 10/16/2008
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What is the problem about 15 mns?
What about reading, writing or listening to a new artist on your Ipod?
PLUS, when you want to use a system like this you work around it and you might wait 2 mns instead of 15 mns.
I just don't what the problem is here...
I am from France and lived in Paris for 14 years, we have the best subway system, incredible bus system AND a few electric cable cars we call tramways
http://blog.wired.com/cars/images/2008/05/20/770731834_21cbf17664_b_2.jpg
It's great and having a car is a drag, or you can rent one once in a while.
I know live in Santa Cruz, CA (yes they've been taking about the PRT pod system here that would do some kind of a loop from downtown to UCSC via the boardwalk or something) and we have two Zipcar in town, I suppose between buses, zipcars, biking, walking and a pod system we would have great alternative and less cars...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 PM on 10/16/2008
- moda31 I'm a Fan of moda31 10 fans permalink

i live in ithaca & this is the first i'm hearing of this idea. it sounds pretty cool, and ithaca is just the kind of town that would embrace a project like this. public transportation here is pretty awful, i certainly wouldn't mind any attempted improvements.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:55 PM on 10/15/2008
- PaulL2 I'm a Fan of PaulL2 2 fans permalink

The best answer to most transportation problems is an all-out push to get plug-in electric cars into the market. They take care of the pollution issues as do pod cars and light rail, but they don't require the rail system. In the near future, electrics could be matched to high speed electric trains for distance travel. You would drive your electric to a nearby train station, pull it on the train, and plug it in for recharging. You then could either sit in the car and listen to music, watch a DVD, look out the domed roof, whatever, while the train is taking you to your destination, along with your own car and your luggage safely in the trunk, at 120 to 200 mph. The train would let you off within 50 miles of your final destination. I recently read that at the Paris auto show, NIssan has unveiled a plug-in electric with a 75 mile range and a 75 mph top speed for sale in 2010; and a French consortium has unveiled a plug-in electric with a 150 mile range and an 80 mph top speed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:54 PM on 10/15/2008

A simple shuttle bus does not require the rails, either, and eliminates traffic congestion.

It's not an either, or. It's a slow an careful re-design of our car-only culture into a car-plus society.

Let me ask you this: if you are getting on the train anyway, why does your 2000lbs. car have to travel with you? For the cost of that alone you can ride a cab all day long at the end of your journey or rent a car for a week. I would think that a single railway car can transport eighty people OR eight cars. That's a ratio of ten to one. Does not sound like a winner to me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:39 PM on 10/15/2008
- PaulL2 I'm a Fan of PaulL2 2 fans permalink

Because most people who travel, for at least the next 50 years, are going to be going from suburb to suburb, where bus availability is slim to none. As you said, it's a SLOW and careful redesign of our car-only culture into a car-plus society. People also like their cars because they don't have to drag their luggage in and out, and don't have to deal with the filth and dubious schedule of the taxi or public bus (sorry, this is the US we're talking about). I envisage the development of a multimodal transportation system that brings cars, buses, light rail, commuter trains, and aircraft together. Think the airports around DC, or Atlanta, Philly, Chicago, etc. as the first steps. The electric car fits perfectly into this mix. At some time in the future, once magnetic recharging is available, would be magnetic guideway lanes that would ultimately supplant the interstate highways and allow the electric cars to travel as far as they want, guided and kept apart by GPS linkages and radio controls. I don't think this is just fantasy. "Mass" transit just does not cut it except in densely populated cities. And as I always state in these postings, while I definitely do not support John McCain, I do support the building of nuclear power plants, along with wind, solar, and the other green technologies, to provide the electricity to keep all these ideas running.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:14 PM on 10/15/2008

It's a great idea but the Interstate Traveler does everything you mentioned PLUS offer you the option of curb-to-curb service at no additional charge. Best of all, it's completely green and requires NO public monies for construction, operation or maintenance. We just need one American governor to say that he/she wants it and construction begins.

Really!

Learn more at

HydrogenSuperhighway.com

then tell your governor that you want it in your state.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:37 PM on 10/16/2008
- blastit I'm a Fan of blastit 13 fans permalink

I can't wait till someone comes up with a viable jet pack

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:35 PM on 10/15/2008

Me neither. It will be interesting to watch all the rescue operations where people get stuck in trees, power lines (lightshow!) and have to be scraped off the facades of buildings.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:50 PM on 10/15/2008

It should be great for the cities' commuting population. I'm all for making places easier to get to...

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 PM on 10/15/2008
- SeaBlood I'm a Fan of SeaBlood 10 fans permalink

Sounds like an exciting idea. But I don't see how it can provide a non-stop trip in all cases: if you commute from a remote location, you may have to share a pod with other passengers, who may or may not be going to the same terminus. This means the pod will have to stop in more than one place so that one passenger can get off, maybe to switch to another pod. It will never be as perfect as we want . However, if it keeps cars off the road, I'm all for it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:13 PM on 10/15/2008

The Interstate Traveler provides a non-stop trip each and every time because of side tracks and store-and-forward buffers. That's part of why I love it (on top of the fact that it's super-fast and super-quiet). Read more and watch the simulation video for free at

HydrogenSuperhighway.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:38 PM on 10/16/2008

To all the naysayers... if we don't at least talk about and try some alternatives, we're going to be stuck using 19th century technology for the remainder of the 21st.
I've long advocated contracting out to Disney to come up with a way to get people around NJ better, but as far as I know, no one has even talked to them.
I typically commute 86 miles each way. Would love to do it by mass transit, but it costs more and takes longer (often much longer, involving driving a half hour to a station, waiting up to an hour for the train, sitting on the train for another hour or more, then catching the "light rail" the rest of the way--another 10-15 minute wait and 15 minute ride). All to replace a 1.5 to 2 hr. drive.
And did I mention that even with last month's gas prices, it costs more? To get my business, they have to be a wash, costwise, and within a traffic jam-delay of the time. Something like pod cars, which could run "as needed" and wouldn't have to stop every 5 minutes might work.
That said, we used to have a semi-automated system for delivering cargo. They were called "trains" and the Federal Government ran them out of business so GM could build more trucks to use their new interstate highways. The cargo fees underwrote passenger costs and everyone was happy... until GM and Ike double-teamed us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 PM on 10/15/2008

What the "naysayers" like me are saying is that 19th century technology (the streetcar) works better than 21st century technology. That's because I have been to a lot of cities which have these systems for over a century and they work just fine. And once you see it work, you don't need no "new" solutions.

"I typically commute 86 miles each way."

So the only question that comes to mind is

"Why in the world are you doing that?"

There is something seriously wrong with your lifestyle choices if you travel the circumference of a small country every day. This is not the kind of problem that ANY transportation system can solve (including your car!). It's simply a poor choice to work this far from home. You would most likely be better off to either move or rent a studio apartment next to your workplace.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:45 PM on 10/15/2008

MONORAIL!

Is it childish of me that the only thing i think of here are all the mobile blowjobs that will be taking place in these things? the french-made private coin operated toilets they put in san francisco are now just rank brothels/shooting galleries unfit as a place even to pee in. And at least they have a self-cleaning function.... the first time anyone walks into one of these things and finds a used syringe, condom, human feces, or dead body will be the end of the entire boondoggle. And that will happen on day 3.

oh, but anything is better than having to rub elbows with other people... some of whom may be... gasp... poor! ride a bike, take a bus, learn how to interact in a pleasant way with your fellow citizens in public. suck it up america.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 AM on 10/15/2008

Each vehicle of the Interstate Traveler can be staffed with a steward (think the terrestrial version of an Air Marshall) who patrols for antisocial behavior and assists with emergencies. There's no reason that we can't have clean, fast, cheap AND SAFE mass transit! Read more at

HydrogenSuperhighway.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:39 PM on 10/16/2008

I live in Ithaca, and think that this would be a good test environment for such a system, but I have serious concerns about the economic feasibility of such a system. Ithaca is a small city surrounded by steep hills. I walk and bicycle a lot and drive little, but getting up the hills uses lots of gas and wears brake pads pretty quickly. Ithaca needs to address pedestrian issue, making the city more pedestrian friendly. If you're healthy and you live downtown, it's a refreshing walk or bike ride up to Cornell or Ithaca College, and it's entirely manageable. Not enough people walk or walk their bikes. The city is moving toward hybrid buses and has reduced the cost of bus fares, which seems to have increased ridership, but I think that there are lots of folks who don't want to wait around for a bus. I think a venicular up to Cornell and Ithaca College would be very cool, a lot cheaper, and more immediately useful. Just imagine stowing your bike on the venicular and head up to your school. This would make downtown living even more alluring, and would ultimately benefit the city by furthering it's dense development goals.

Before any of this, let's get the waterfront trail completed! The city really needs to step up and deal with those two resistant business that are preventing the waterfront trail from being complete.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 AM on 10/15/2008
- DinkSinger I'm a Fan of DinkSinger 11 fans permalink

Interesting item, but I have no idea what a local system in Ithica has to do with a system connecting the Thruway cities. It's about 50 miles from Ithica to the closest point along the Thruway, so the cost of the spur to make that connection would be at least $1.25 billion and there are no population centers along the route.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 AM on 10/15/2008

The Interstate Traveler works just as well in densely populated areas and sparsely populated areas because it generates MEGAWATTS of clean power from its photovoltaic cells. Population densities need not be a criterion in deciding where to build it first. All we need is one American governor to say that he/she wants it in his/her state and construction begins. Learn more and watch the simulation video for free at

HydrogenSuperhighway.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:41 PM on 10/16/2008
- GregJL I'm a Fan of GregJL 3 fans permalink

"Color TV is just a fad."
"It'll never get off the ground"
"If man was supposed to fly he would have been born with wings."
"There's no way George Bush could EVER become President."

“An amazing invention - but who would ever want to use one?”
After he made a call from Washington to Pennsylvania with Alexander Graham Bell's telephone, patented on 7 March 1876 - Rutherford B. Hayes

Yeah, let's not do it because it might be inconvenient. "Oh, it'll cost too much!" Yeah, cuz light rail is SOOOO inexpensive.

Grow up

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:46 AM on 10/15/2008

"Yeah, cuz light rail is SOOOO inexpensive."

No, it isn't. An it only works where you have the ridership. In a town like Ithaca where 20,000 out of 30,000 people seem to be students you are missing about an order of magnitude of ridership to make ANY rail based or non-trivial technology (like a bus) system work financially.

In any case, Ithaca is one mile wide and three miles long. For a student that's walking distance and if there are enough bike paths and low traffic zones, that's the way to get around. See Heidelberg in Germany for a very similar scenario of a student town with roughly the same population and density.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 PM on 10/15/2008

Great point! That's why the Interstate Traveler is the ideal solution. It manufactures its own energy and dynamically adjusts the number of cars in operation by passenger load factors. It makes money even if next to no one rides it because of the innovative conduit cluster at its core. Fare box revenue is only a tiny factor in its profitability model.

Justin Sutton is a genius. Let's build his solution today. Tell you governor that you want the Interstate Traveler in your state. Details at

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:43 PM on 10/16/2008

As a matter of fact, the good old US of A has been playing with these vehicles since the 70's. Check out this link for information on the Morgantoen Group Rapid Transit System installed in 1972. http://faculty.washington.edu/jbs/itrans/morg.htm This is not a put-down on what is being done in Ithaca, just a reminder that we shold not reinvent the wheel. The People Mover in Morgantown was a wonderful, and successful project. I never could understand why it didnt catch on. Just the fact, I guess, that every idea has its time, and that was not the time for People Movers. Hopefully, this current effort will be.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:29 AM on 10/15/2008
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