Ithaca Aims To Be America's First "Podcar" City

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WILLIAM KATES | October 13, 2008 12:56 AM EST | AP

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ITHACA, N.Y. — The thought of a driverless, computer-guided car transporting people where they want to go on demand is a futuristic notion to some.

To Jacob Roberts, podcars _ or PRTs, for personal rapid transit _ represent an important component in the here-and-now of transportation.

"It's time we design cities for the human, not for the automobile," said Roberts, president of Connect Ithaca, a group of planning and building professionals, activists and students committed to making this upstate New York college town the first podcar community in the United States.

"In the podcar ... it creates the perfect blend between the privacy and autonomy of the automobile with the public transportation aspect and, of course, it uses clean energy," Roberts said.

With the oil crisis reaching a zenith and federal lawmakers ready to begin fashioning a new national transportation bill for 2010, Roberts and his colleagues think the future is now for podcars _ electric, automated, lightweight vehicles that ride on their own network separate from other traffic.

Unlike mass transit, podcars carry two to 10 passengers, giving travelers the freedom and privacy of their own car while reducing the use of fossil fuels, reducing traffic congestion and freeing up space now monopolized by parking.

At stations located every block or every half-mile, depending on the need, a rider enters a destination on a computerized pad, and a car would take the person nonstop to the location. Stations would have slanted pull-in bays so that some cars could stop for passengers, while others could continue unimpeded on the main course.

"It works almost like an elevator, but horizontally," said Roberts, adding podcar travel would be safer than automobile travel.

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The podcar is not entirely new. A limited version with larger cars carrying up to 15 passengers was built in 1975 in Morgantown, W.Va., and still transports West Virginia University students.

Next year, Heathrow Airport outside London will unveil a pilot podcar system to ferry air travelers on the ground. Companies in Sweden, Poland and Korea are already operating full-scale test tracks to demonstrate the feasibility. Designers are planning a podcar network for Masdar City, outside Abu Dhabi, which is being built as the world's first zero-carbon, zero-waste city.

Meanwhile, more than a dozen cities in Sweden are planning podcar systems as part of the country's commitment to be fossil-fuel-free by 2020, said Hans Lindqvist, a councilman from Varmdo, Sweden, and chairman of Kompass, an association of groups and municipalities behind the Swedish initiative.

"Today's transportation system is reaching a dead end," said Lindqvist, a former member of the European parliament.

Cars have dominated the cityscape for nearly a century, taking up valuable space while polluting the air, said Magnus Hunhammar, chief executive officer of the Stockholm-based Institute for Sustainable Transportation, the world's leading center on podcar technology.

"Something has to change," he said. "We aren't talking about replacing the automobile entirely. We are adding something else into the transportation strategy."

Skeptics, however, question whether podcars can ever be more than a novelty mode of transportation, suitable only for limited-area operations, such as airports, colleges and corporate campuses. Detractors, mainly light-rail advocates, say a podcar system would be too complex and expensive.

"It is operationally and economically unfeasible," said Vukan Vuchic, a professor of transportation and engineering at the University of Pennsylvania who has written several books on urban transportation.

"In the city, if you have that much demand, you could build these guideways and afford the millions it would take, but you wouldn't have capacity. In the suburbs, you would have capacity, but the demand would be so thin you couldn't possibly pay for those guideways, elevated stations, control systems and everything else," Vuchic said.

Podcars typically run on an elevated guideway or rails, but they also can run at street level. As a starting point, pilot podcar networks can be built along existing infrastructure, supporters say.

Ithaca Mayor Carol Peterson said a podcar network could be part of her upstate city's long-range transportation plans and its mission of developing urban neighborhoods that are environmentally sustainable and pedestrian-friendly. Ithaca has a long history of progressive achievements _ this summer, it began the first community-wide car sharing program in upstate New York.

In Ithaca, a network could connect the downtown business district and main business boulevard with the campuses of Cornell University and Ithaca College, which sit on hillsides flanking the city. When the two colleges are in session, Ithaca's population balloons from about 30,000 to about 80,000, causing big-city congestion on the city's roads.

Santa Cruz, Calif., recently hired a contractor to design a small solar-powered podcar system that would loop through the city's downtown and along its beach front.

The Institute for Sustainable Transportation predicts a podcar system will be installed in an American city within the next five years, although it is likely to cost tens of millions of dollars. Because of the huge initial investment, funding would have to come from both public and private sectors, IST officials said.

The capital cost is about $25 million to $40 million per mile, which includes guideways, vehicles and stations, compared with $100 million to $300 million a mile for light-rail or subway systems, according to the IST.

Although the plan for Ithaca is only in the conceptual stages, Roberts sees the city as a logical place for the country's first community-wide podcar network, noting that construction of the Erie Canal across upstate New York in the early 1800s revolutionized commercial transportation in a young America.

"Buffalo, Rochester, Syracuse, Albany are connected along a single line, the Erie Canal. Now, they are connected by the (New York State) Thruway. It would be easy to adapt. You could have a high-speed rail line, or even buses, deliver travelers to the podcar stations, and the podcars take them wherever they want to go in the city," he said.

But podcar developers say they have overcome most technological obstacles and now must overcome the political and cultural barriers that lie ahead, equating it to the mind-set revolution that occurred when Americans hitched up their horses for good to become a nation of motorists.

"We are introducing an alternative to the automobile for the first time in 100 years," said Christopher Perkins, chief executive officer of Unimodal Transport Solutions, a California company that builds podcars that operate on magnetic levitation instead of wheels.

"But if you look back 100 years, you saw that we made the transition from the horse to the car. I think we are ready to make another transition," he said.

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On the Net:

Institute for Sustainable Transportation: http://www.podcar.org

Unimodal Transport Solutions: http://www.unimodal.com

Santa Cruz Podcars: http://www.podcars.us

ITHACA, N.Y. — The thought of a driverless, computer-guided car transporting people where they want to go on demand is a futuristic notion to some. To Jacob Roberts, podcars _ or PRTs, for pers...
ITHACA, N.Y. — The thought of a driverless, computer-guided car transporting people where they want to go on demand is a futuristic notion to some. To Jacob Roberts, podcars _ or PRTs, for pers...
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- vmonter I'm a Fan of vmonter 2 fans permalink

Mass transit with more materials and waste

This is not an environmentally friendly solution, and will fail. Thanks for playing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:03 AM on 10/14/2008

Actually there were efforts in the 60s and 70s and 80s in France to create a personal rapid transit system called Aramis. There's a great book, Aramis - the Love of Technology by Bruno Latour, that documents the creation and death of the project. It reads like a murder mystery and is very compelling.

Nice to see the project reincarnated.

http://www.amazon.com/Aramis-Love-Technology-Bruno-Latour/dp/0674043235

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:53 AM on 10/14/2008
- jsarets I'm a Fan of jsarets 184 fans permalink

I don't buy it. My favorite personal electric transportation systems are the railcar and, better yet, the electric roadway.

A railcar is an electric car that can be driven on ordinary roads by human drivers powered by on-board batteries -- or driven on exclusive railways by computer control powered by third rails. The idea is that shorter trips within a city or town would use roads and batteries, while long hauls between cities or states would use rails and wired electricity. The car would be equipped to drive smoothly on and off the rail network.

The electric roadway is a road with buried electric conduits under each lane that safely transmit electricity to the moving car through an inductive flywheel that rolls along the road on an arm suspended from the car. The power would be transmitted by tuning the car's flywheel receiver to a specific frequency that resonates with the electric current flowing through the embedded conduit. This allows pedestrians and cyclists to negotiate the road as usual without any risk of electrocution.

I'd much rather either of these systems than glorified tram lines with personalized routing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:15 AM on 10/14/2008

Before you dismiss the idea, check out the Interstate Traveler - it offers the best of both solutions and more.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:56 PM on 10/16/2008
- Steamboater I'm a Fan of Steamboater 195 fans permalink
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Sounds fascinating but these PodCars aren't going to take anyone to just any destination. You'd have to have rails or whatever they use and stops all over a city or town. As long as people have to walk several blocks from one stop to their destination, then they won't use it as much and cars will still be in demand. I lived in Morgantown, West Virginia and although the Pods there are much bigger than these new ones, they were used for students on campus and work very well too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:35 AM on 10/14/2008

You're exactly right! That's why the Interstate Traveler is the better choice.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:57 PM on 10/16/2008

The future of transportation? It's an idea of the 1960s or maybe even 1950s.

However, there are much better ideas out there which split dedicated bus lanes off the regular roads. Those lanes are mechanically separated and therefor collision free. The vehicles can be (computer) guided electric buses which are a lot cheaper and easier to operate than inefficient monorail or podcar systems.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guided_bus

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:24 AM on 10/14/2008

Guided buses are promising but the Interstate Traveler is much better. Really! Watch the simulation video for free at

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:58 PM on 10/16/2008
- BC2 I'm a Fan of BC2 2 fans permalink

What if you get a car/pod someone just barfed in?

The American taste for personal transportation is rooted in one simple phrase: "My car." The system should be designed so that the car/pod can be parked or stored at destinations and home. This would have no affect on the energy efficiency and safety of a fully automated system. Have choices of car/pod ownership, car/pod leasing/rental and public car/pod. They could have configurations of single car/pod, single family car/pod, bus/pod, (camper/pod? See America! Fly-over states like you've never seen them! Or would they now be "hum-over states"?) etc.

This would make American mass transportation a lot better. It would make European public transit perfect!

It would be very safe and energy efficient, and (just as important, I think) very American in the variety of choices! Let's do this!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:18 AM on 10/14/2008

I see appropriate cars for feasibility studies and for smaller communities, as the cars developed for the DARPA Grand Challenge, but with cellular modems. Hybrid or conventional power, or electric if that's feasible (if the charging interval is long enough).

The idea is NO infrastructure buried in the road or strung above it, so those expenses are avoided and more communities and municipalities will feel comfortable conducting feasibility studies.

Routing would be either by staff at headquarters or by Web site/computer voice over the phone. Guidance would be computerized - of the sort chosen by DARPA after the Grand Challenge competitions with TV and GPS monitoring of car position and surroundings to assure passenger safety and compliance with regulations.

Upholstery would be similar to that of the Honda Element - a tough nonporous polymer - so when the previous rider power-boots inside the car, he or another rider can use a backpack sprayer in the cargo area and shop towels to rinse off the offending fluid.

DARPA Challenge-type automated cars would allow evaluation of the pod car concept. If rail-or road bed-powered vehicles are more practical, they can always be purchased after the trial.

But DARPA-type autonomous vehicles allow use of the pod car concept in areas where rails, catenary or other infrastructure would be too expensive, such as suburban areas and farm communities. It's also a practical way to provide door-to-door transportation for people with disabilities that prevent them from using public transportation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:53 PM on 10/14/2008

Many departments in the Pentagon already know about the Interstate Traveler and are very interested in it because it solve MULTIPLE PROBLEMS both big and small. You owe it to yourself to learn more at

HydrogenSuperhighway.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:01 PM on 10/16/2008

Traveler vehicles on the Interstate Traveler system will be staffed with stewards and matrons. If there is a spillage of any kind, the vehicles can be taken out of service for cleaning at the very next way station.

Too kewl!

Details at

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:59 PM on 10/16/2008

Well, this looks very interesting. Riding in a podcar hehe!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:49 AM on 10/14/2008
- DRaymond I'm a Fan of DRaymond 68 fans permalink
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The reason why this has never gotten beyond demonstration systems is that the economics don't work out until the system gets really large, and the money is never there to move beyond the demonstration. phase. What's going to be cheaper to maintain, one light rail car that can hold two hunndred people or a hundred podcars? One of those podcars fails in a critical section of track and the whole system is just as shut down as if it was a train. Sure once you get the system really large the advantages of point to point routing begin to arrive, but how large does the system have to become first? When it is just one loop or just one line the advantages of point to point routing are miniscule.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 AM on 10/14/2008
- DrDemon I'm a Fan of DrDemon 9 fans permalink
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Well it must begin somewhere/sometime, so the sooner the better IMO.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:17 AM on 10/14/2008
- Steamboater I'm a Fan of Steamboater 195 fans permalink
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As to podcars failing and the system breaking down, that;s true of Light Rail too. Here in Sacramento, we have Light Rail and I've haven't heard yet of any stalls due to a breakdown. Lightrail is fast and green and always on time. I just wish more people used it but that may be because here, they don't have enough stations in the midtown area. Just several stops that that run along one side of the area and after a certain time in the evening , they don't run. It's supposed to expand but we've been hearing that for too long.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:41 AM on 10/14/2008

Right on! That's why the Interstate Traveler grows closer to breaking ground with each passing day - it will pay for itself within a year of operation AND providing ample profit margins for expansion and maintenance. That's why the American Computer Science Association gave it their prized Sir Isaac Newton Award in 2005. You can learn more and watch the simulation video for free at

HydrogenSuperhighway.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:02 PM on 10/16/2008

I miss Ithaca :(

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 PM on 10/13/2008
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Good people of Ithaca I come before you tonight with an idea:

Probably the greatest i...

Oh it's not for you, it's more of a SHELBYVILLE idea...

Well sir, there's nothing on earth, like a genuine, bonaified, electrified, six-car, Monorail!

Monorail... Monorail.... Monorail... Monorail...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:23 PM on 10/13/2008

I love the Simpsons reference. That is exactly what I was thinking...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:06 AM on 10/14/2008

I'm an Ithaca College alumn and so I have experience with the Ithaca townspeople. They can do it. And, when they do I'll be going back to take a peek!

JB

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:24 PM on 10/13/2008

Skytran is better, much better

Overhead tracks mean no interaction with surface traffic or pedestrians, making faster travel safe
Overhead tracks mean no obstruction of tracks by snow, objects, people or animals
Overhead tracks can use existing right-of-ways
Two person cars that can be electronically "leashed" are more efficient than four person cars.
Smaller cars leave less room to engage in unpleasant activities

Skytran is better, too bad the people who make this inferior system have engaged in an all out public relations war against Skytran.

Eventually Skytran or a system like it will get built and we'll all be better off, till then we have crooked politicians to thank for inferior systems like this piece of junk.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 PM on 10/13/2008
- Steamboater I'm a Fan of Steamboater 195 fans permalink
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It's still the old elevated trains LOL

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:42 AM on 10/14/2008

You're right but the Interstate Traveler deserves your full support. The crooked politicians can't stand it because it requires no public monies of any kind for construction, operation or maintenance. All it needs is for one American governor to declare publicly, "I want it!" Learn more and then call your governor right away at

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:04 PM on 10/16/2008
- Amennyc I'm a Fan of Amennyc 16 fans permalink
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this would involve Americans having to get along with each other and showing mutual respect. never gonna happen!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:03 PM on 10/13/2008
- DrDemon I'm a Fan of DrDemon 9 fans permalink
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LOL - But oh so true... still funny!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:18 AM on 10/14/2008
- Steamboater I'm a Fan of Steamboater 195 fans permalink
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But true. I wonder if a podcar seats 10 will more than 10 be allowed in the pod? Will there be stand-up room or hangers? If so, it really defeats the purpose.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:43 AM on 10/14/2008

The Interstate Traveler gives us point-to-point, on-demand rapid transit with the option for our own traveler vehicle if we choose. It solves all problems, including personal privacy in transit!

HydrogenSuperhighway.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:12 PM on 10/16/2008
- MajorKong I'm a Fan of MajorKong 417 fans permalink
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It's 2008, where's my flying car? We were supposed to have flying cars and moon colonies by now!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:46 PM on 10/13/2008

LOL!!! Funny I was thinking the same thing!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 PM on 10/13/2008
- chronic I'm a Fan of chronic 71 fans permalink
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Please......the regressive conservatives and thier twisted ideology even fought tooth and nail mandates for fuel economy standards and even airbags that would save peoples lives.

As long as we have to continue to drag right wingers into the modern era of thought we will never ever innovate faster than the pace of a tortus.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:49 AM on 10/14/2008

Oh, for the Prophet Zarquon's sake, PLEASE don't frame this as a right/left political problem. I'm a libertarian, and having to step around piles of partisan poop to discuss anything is a pain in the wang. Both sides of the polarization have people who gravitate to power who are madly in love with the philosophy "if it ain't broke, fix it till it IS."

Fuel economy standards wound up provoking a grassroots revolt in favor of upholstered trucks. If some dimbulb at EPA had thought of mandating BIG cars that got good gas mileage - along the lines of the Toyota Highlander Hybrid SUV, which gets better than 30 mpg - and better mileage in town than on the highway - then we could have avoided a lot of aggravation.

American history suggests to its attentive students that Americans won't be forced to do anything they can get out of doing, or kept from doing what they want to do badly enough. We couldn't be forced to abstain from alcohol, the effort to wean us from taboo drugs is failing, and please notice that every modern refinement in electronics began as a way to distribute pornography more efficiently, THEN became a mainstream tool for commerce and communications in general.

Politicians from both sides of the political spectrum should think about enlisting the willing aid of the American people to acheive their worthy goals, not forcing or hoodwinking them into doing what you believe is "the right thing."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:49 PM on 10/14/2008
- Snowball I'm a Fan of Snowball 55 fans permalink
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cool

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:55 PM on 10/13/2008
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