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TIM PARADIS | October 15, 2008 06:31 PM EST | AP

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Specialist Ned Zelles works on the floor of the New York Stock Exchange Wednesday, Oct. 15, 2008. Despair over the economy sent Wall Street plunging again Wednesday, propelling the Dow Jones industrials down 733 points to their second-largest point loss ever. (AP Photo/Richard Drew)

NEW YORK — Investors agonizing over a faltering economy sent the stock market plunging all over again Wednesday after a stream of disheartening data convinced Wall Street that a recession, if not already here, is inevitable. The market's despair propelled the Dow Jones industrials down 733 points to their second-largest point loss ever, and the major indexes all lost at least 7 percent.

The slide meant that the Dow, which fell 76 points on Tuesday, has given back all but 127 points of its record 936-point gain of Monday, which came on optimism about the banking system in response to the government's plans to invest up to $250 billion in financial institutions.

Wednesday's sell-off began after the government's report that retail sales plunged in September by 1.2 percent _ almost double the 0.7 percent analysts expected _ made it clear that consumers are reluctant to spend amid a shaky economy and a punishing stock market.

The Commerce Department report was sobering because consumer spending accounts for more than two-thirds of U.S. economic activity. The reading came as Wall Street was refocusing its attention on the faltering economy following stepped up government efforts to revive the stagnant lending markets.

Then, during the afternoon, the release of the Beige Book, the assessment of business conditions from the Federal Reserve, added to investors' angst. The report found that the economy continued to slow in the early fall as financial and credit market problems took a turn for the worse. The central bank's report supported the market's belief that difficulties in obtaining loans have choked growth in wide swaths of the economy.

"Even though the banking sector may be returning to normal, the economy still isn't. The economy continues to face a host of other problems," said Doug Roberts, chief investment strategist at ChannelCapitalResearch.com. "We're in for a tough ride."

Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke offered a similar opinion, warning in a speech Wednesday that patching up the credit markets won't provide an instantaneous jolt to the economy.

"Stabilization of the financial markets is a critical first step, but even if they stabilize as we hope they will, broader economic recovery will not happen right away," he told the Economic Club of New York.

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Analysts have warned that the market will see continued volatility as it tries to recover from the devastating losses of the last month, including the nearly 2,400-point plunge in the Dow over the eight sessions that ended Friday. Such turbulence is typical after a huge decline, but the market's anxiety about the economy was also expected to cause gyrations in the weeks and months ahead.

Selling accelerated in the last hour of trading, a common occurrence during the eight days of heavy declines. One reason for the heavy selling: Mutual funds need to unload stock to pay investors who are bailing out of the market.

Investors apparently have come to believe that Monday's big rebound over the banking sector was overdone given the problems elsewhere in the economy.

"It really doesn't come as a shock after Monday's gains were, I think, a little bit excessive," said Charles Norton, principal and portfolio manager at GNICapital, referring to the market's pullback.

He contends that the government has taken so many steps to help the financial system that investors must now wait for some of the actions to help steady the economy.

"It seems like all the tools in the tool chest have mostly been used now and now it's back to reality," he said. "We're still faced with the fact that the economy is slowing and earnings aren't very good."

Doubts about the economy were already surfacing in Tuesday's session, when investors halted an early rally and began collecting profits from stocks' big Monday advance. Wednesday's data confirmed the market's fears that the economy is likely to remain weak for some time, and that corporate profits are likely to suffer.

Mark Coffelt, portfolio manager at Empiric Funds, said moves by European and U.S. government officials to begin investing directly in banks are easing worries about credit. But the steep pullback in stocks that began last month after the credit markets lurched to a near standstill has now created worries that consumers will spend less after seeing the value of their retirement accounts and other investments drop.

"Markets abhor uncertainty and so we got a lot of that resolved this weekend and we got the reward Monday but now people are saying 'OK, now what is the economy going to do?'"

"We're definitely going to get a slowdown from the terror of going through that," Coffelt said.

The Dow ended down 733.08, or 7.87 percent, at 8,577.91. On Monday, Sept. 29, the Dow had its largest point drop 777.68. Wednesday's percentage drop was the biggest since the 8.04 percent of Oct. 26, 1987, which followed Black Monday, the Oct. 19 crash that sent the blue chips down 22.6 percent in a single session.

The Dow's massive decline Wednesday marks its 20th triple-digit move in 23 sessions.

Broader stock indicators also skidded. The Standard & Poor's 500 index fell 90.17, or 9.03 percent, to 907.84, and the Nasdaq composite index fell 150.68, or 8.47 percent, to 1,628.33.

It was the lowest close for the Nasdaq since June 30, 2003, when the index finished at 1,622.80. The Dow and the S&P 500 are also at mid-2003 levels.

The Dow is down 39.4 percent from its Oct. 9, 2007 closing high of 14,164.53. The S&P is down 42 percent from its high at the same time of 1,565.15. The Nasdaq's record high was 5,048.62, during the dot-com boom that swelled the index to levels it has not come close to regaining after the high-tech bubble burst.

U.S. stock market paper losses came to $1.1 trillion Wednesday, according to the Dow Jones Wilshire 5000 Composite Index, which represents nearly all stocks traded in America.

Wednesday's losses came as investors were hoping the market would recover from last week's terrible run, which erased about $2.4 trillion in shareholder wealth and brought the Dow to its lowest level since April 2003. The tumble occurred amid a seize-up in lending stemming from a lack of trust among institutions in response to the bankruptcy of investment bank Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. and the failure of Washington Mutual Inc., which had been the nation's largest thrift.

The credit markets have been showing tentative signs of recovery, though they remain strained. The three-month Treasury bill on Wednesday was yielding 0.20 percent, down from 0.30 percent on Tuesday. Overall, yields remain low, showing that demand is so high that investors are willing to earn meager returns as long as their principal is preserved.

The yield on the benchmark 10-year Treasury note, which moves opposite its price, fell to 3.98 percent from 4.03 percent late Tuesday.

About 350 stocks advanced at the New York Stock Exchange, while about 2,800 declined. Consolidated volume came to 6.4 billion shares, down from 7.97 billion traded Tuesday.

The Russell 2000 index of smaller companies fell 52.54, or 9.47 percent, to 502.11.

Light, sweet crude fell $4.09 to settle at $74.54 per barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange.

In Asian trading, Hong Kong's Hang Seng Index lost nearly 5 percent after rising more than 13 percent the previous two days. Markets in Australia, South Korea, China, India and Singapore also sank. Japan's Nikkei 225 index, however, ended up 1.1 percent after soaring 14 percent in the previous session.

In Europe, Britain's FTSE 100 fell 7.08 percent, Germany's DAX index fell 6.49 percent, and France's CAC-40 fell 6.82 percent.

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NEW YORK — Investors agonizing over a faltering economy sent the stock market plunging all over again Wednesday after a stream of disheartening data convinced Wall Street that a recession, if no...
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- GypsyRose I'm a Fan of GypsyRose 57 fans permalink

The PHILLIES just won the pennant!

YES!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 PM on 10/15/2008
- EarthToZoey I'm a Fan of EarthToZoey 227 fans permalink
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Awesome! Congrats! Even though I'm from L.A., I love Philly :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:45 PM on 10/15/2008
- GypsyRose I'm a Fan of GypsyRose 57 fans permalink

de nada

Love L.A,. but haven't been there for several years. I must re-visit, very soon.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 AM on 10/16/2008
- abby4ever I'm a Fan of abby4ever 263 fans permalink
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That is great, I like them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 PM on 10/15/2008
- buckygreen I'm a Fan of buckygreen 80 fans permalink

Im a Brewers fan, You beat us fair and square, and if we couldnt have the pennant, I wanted the Phils. Party on my friend!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 PM on 10/15/2008
- GypsyRose I'm a Fan of GypsyRose 57 fans permalink

YOU are a class act! My friend (am I allowed to write that?), it's completely INSANE right now!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 AM on 10/16/2008
- GypsyRose I'm a Fan of GypsyRose 57 fans permalink

McCain WON!

Somebody get me a needle and thread, my sides are splitting

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:36 PM on 10/15/2008
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Who said that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:37 PM on 10/15/2008
- 08Voter I'm a Fan of 08Voter 10 fans permalink

not according to the polls! lmao

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 PM on 10/15/2008
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Keep fighting these impulses lil tro//. We are rooting for you!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 PM on 10/15/2008

I dont know if I would call O flat but I was hoping he would be a bit more agressive on certain subjects.
On the other hand Obama has shown he knows how to play the game better than anyone, and the post-debate numbers reflect that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:34 PM on 10/15/2008

I don't think the voters wanted "aggressiv­e."

Mc came off as a hothead, Obama as cool and collected.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 PM on 10/15/2008
- lohy I'm a Fan of lohy 17 fans permalink

It's just his personalit­y....He is always the same; therefore, authentic.­..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:36 PM on 10/15/2008
- liseworks I'm a Fan of liseworks 143 fans permalink
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Very good distinction : steady, solid, consistent = authentic = trustworthy !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:50 PM on 10/15/2008
- EarthToZoey I'm a Fan of EarthToZoey 227 fans permalink
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I, too, would love to see Obama get medieval on Mac's a$$, but the indies aren't into that so much. Obama played it cool and McCain looked like McGrumpy. Obama FTW!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:37 PM on 10/15/2008

I have a bit of an aggressive personality so I likely project with my expectations regarding how O should debate. But one thing I have learned is, do not doubt Obama's methods or the way he runs his campaign.
McCain appeared exactly as he has been described: erratic, unhinged, and mostly seemed like an angry ol man.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:44 PM on 10/15/2008
- abby4ever I'm a Fan of abby4ever 263 fans permalink
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Not flat. Serene.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:50 PM on 10/15/2008
- mrsmdressup I'm a Fan of mrsmdressup 396 fans permalink
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I'm going to have a pop tart and a glass of milk and hit the sack. Good night! Really enjoyed watching the debate with you! Sweet dreams.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:33 PM on 10/15/2008
- MIMom I'm a Fan of MIMom 110 fans permalink
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nitey night!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:33 PM on 10/15/2008
- HypnoToad I'm a Fan of HypnoToad 48 fans permalink
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Sleep well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:33 PM on 10/15/2008
- lohy I'm a Fan of lohy 17 fans permalink

Good night...He­re in California still have a couple of hours to play...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 PM on 10/15/2008
- SurferKit I'm a Fan of SurferKit 179 fans permalink
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In CA, too. Where are you? I'm in L.A.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 PM on 10/15/2008
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after all,

tomorrow is another day. nite mrs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 PM on 10/15/2008
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Nightie.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 PM on 10/15/2008
- JustLynn I'm a Fan of JustLynn 9 fans permalink

Andrea is now waffling..­..HAHAHAHA­HAHAHAHAHA­HAHAHAHA..­..........­...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 PM on 10/15/2008
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She is soooooo credible ... [barf]

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 PM on 10/15/2008
- gladys46 I'm a Fan of gladys46 242 fans permalink

She is such a wimpy insignifant !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 PM on 10/15/2008
- lohy I'm a Fan of lohy 17 fans permalink

She read the polls.....­She really is a dooooschno­ooozle...(­This is a new word for me..I love it..)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:33 PM on 10/15/2008
- HypnoToad I'm a Fan of HypnoToad 48 fans permalink
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Just going for access now, she is.

A bit Yodish, am I.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:34 PM on 10/15/2008
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Yup. Yup.

She is fake.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 PM on 10/15/2008

GameBucketFan See Profile I'm a Fan of GameBucketFan I'm a fan of this user permalink

Too late to read so much, gimme a precis please.
Reply Favorite Flagged Posted 11:28 PM on 10/15/2008

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http://www.laughparty.com/funny-pictures/Angry-Orangutan-961.jpg

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:30 PM on 10/15/2008

Thanks,
So, in other words, it's pretty much what you usually say

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 PM on 10/15/2008

You are the one who insists on attempting to join in on the conversation.

A conversation where you are not welcome.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:36 PM on 10/15/2008
- HypnoToad I'm a Fan of HypnoToad 48 fans permalink
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" My precious, my precious"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 PM on 10/15/2008
- abby4ever I'm a Fan of abby4ever 263 fans permalink
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I just can't see thst he was flat, to me it seemed more like serenity.
:]

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 PM on 10/15/2008
- lohy I'm a Fan of lohy 17 fans permalink

He's just so da.mn.ed unflappabl­e...McCain can't get his game..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:30 PM on 10/15/2008
- liseworks I'm a Fan of liseworks 143 fans permalink
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incredibly impressive - he never breaks a sweat - ever !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:30 PM on 10/15/2008
- gladys46 I'm a Fan of gladys46 242 fans permalink

O listens well and he closes well ... he's a damn good counselor at law ... Mc is envious of O's eloquence ! Cracks me up ... Mc has no vocabulary with which to draw from ... damn actual vision!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:36 PM on 10/15/2008
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I agree. He seemed relaxed for the first time. I thought he looked happy and confident.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:30 PM on 10/15/2008
- abby4ever I'm a Fan of abby4ever 263 fans permalink
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Unlike Smuggy McCain. This isn't very nice to say, people can't help how they look, but for a few minutes when I was watching him, I thought he looked like a corpse. Kind of like in that old, old Frankenstein movie, that Boris guy, the way he looked when the doctor first brought him to life. He looked both de@d and alive, all at once.

It was horrific. Watching McCain I mean.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:37 PM on 10/15/2008
- SurferKit I'm a Fan of SurferKit 179 fans permalink
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I thought it was his best debate that's why I was so confused afterwards when some of the pundits said how well McCain did. But now they're starting to come around. David Gergen thought O did well and McCain looked angry.

I'm so relieved. Whew! I can breathe now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:33 PM on 10/15/2008
- GerryS I'm a Fan of GerryS 53 fans permalink
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Well this weekend should be fun. I will be in Phoenix, AZ tomorrow for a wedding, with my O button,
O bumper sticker amd O shirt. My GOP family will spin-----------

good night all-------­----------­--

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 PM on 10/15/2008
- andvoodoo2 I'm a Fan of andvoodoo2 122 fans permalink
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Good luck with the family.
Night.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 PM on 10/15/2008
- SurferKit I'm a Fan of SurferKit 179 fans permalink
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Have fun at the wedding. Wear your O stuff proudly.

Night.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 PM on 10/15/2008
- gladys46 I'm a Fan of gladys46 242 fans permalink

Stay as unflappable as O !! ; p

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:30 PM on 10/15/2008
- liseworks I'm a Fan of liseworks 143 fans permalink
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Good night - & it is one !!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 PM on 10/15/2008
- abby4ever I'm a Fan of abby4ever 263 fans permalink
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Nighht and enjoy the wedding!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:40 PM on 10/15/2008

In terms of presentation, McCain reminded me of Nixon in 1960: acute discomfort oozing from every pore. Of course, in terms of substance Nixon was vastly superior to the dangerously addled McCain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 PM on 10/15/2008
- 08Voter I'm a Fan of 08Voter 10 fans permalink

Anderson Cooper: "How does McCain change the race at this point?"

David Gergen: "Beats the he_ll outta me!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 PM on 10/15/2008
- SurferKit I'm a Fan of SurferKit 179 fans permalink
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I know, that was great!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 PM on 10/15/2008
- MIMom I'm a Fan of MIMom 110 fans permalink
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Aw! That's cool!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 PM on 10/15/2008
- spunky5408 I'm a Fan of spunky5408 24 fans permalink

Obama was flat......

I hope he doesn't lose points for that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 PM on 10/15/2008
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I disagree. I thought his mood was just right for the time and mood and perfectly juxtaposed his character with that of the lunatic he was seated beside.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 PM on 10/15/2008
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I disagree. I thought this was his best performance by far, and he seemed at ease for the first time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 PM on 10/15/2008
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I agree.

:)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:33 PM on 10/15/2008

Martha is going to have to give Mr. Wilson some of his nerve tonic.

Dennis seems to have rattled him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 PM on 10/15/2008
- buckygreen I'm a Fan of buckygreen 80 fans permalink

LMAO nerve tonic. Im old enough to be a fan of the Beverly Hillbillies.

McCain is old enough to be Uncle Jed. Only really really "ornery"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 PM on 10/15/2008

I remember my grandfather taking "Miles' Nervene."

On over the counter "nerve medicine."

Would have done better to have just taken a sh0t of bourbon.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:33 PM on 10/15/2008
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Dennis, the Menace, of course. Whew! Now that is a blast from the past. I used to watch it occasionally as a kid in the 60s.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 PM on 10/15/2008
- Woggles I'm a Fan of Woggles 7 fans permalink

What's going on with Oil Prices?

If oil prices follow a normal supply and demand curve, then why has oil price fallen 42%, in the past three months, when worldwide demand has remained nearly the same in this same time?

If you think about it on your own carefully, with the explanations provided by the experts, it won't make any sense to you either.

For example: Has the US dollar really "strengthened" in value 40%, when compared to basket currencies in the past 3 months? Can we really make the popular oil price/currency
argument when this is considered?

What about the refinery "bottleneck" that is claimed to drive up gasoline prices in the US so dramatically?
Even if this is true, what about Japan, Germany, Russia, Brazil; do they all have refinery bottlenecks? Unlikely.
Their gasoline prices have gone through similar (even more expensive) price fluctuations. How could this be? Did they suddenly raise, or lower their domestic fuel taxes and coordinate them planet-wide?
If, as it is claimed - that the US refinery bottlenecks can’t meet domestic summer demands (thus higher fuel prices)- why do they go through the same timely price spikes as we do?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 PM on 10/15/2008

Demand has decreased

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 PM on 10/15/2008
- mrsmdressup I'm a Fan of mrsmdressup 396 fans permalink
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Oil prices fall when economies are hurting. Investors take their money out of oil and buy other commodities.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 PM on 10/15/2008
- gladys46 I'm a Fan of gladys46 242 fans permalink

You mean speculators !?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 PM on 10/15/2008
- gladys46 I'm a Fan of gladys46 242 fans permalink

I've asked that question!!?? Why have oil prices fallen ... and why isn't anybody talking about that! Why now!!??? Surely big american oil company's aren't bankrupt ... what!?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 PM on 10/15/2008
- andvoodoo2 I'm a Fan of andvoodoo2 122 fans permalink
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I believe prices are falling before the election because they are being deliberately lowered in an attempt to help the repugs. Gasoline more than tripled with 2 oil men in the W.H. over the last 8 years. I think it's politics and I don't think I'll ever be convinced of otherwise.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 PM on 10/15/2008
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The neoCONS (Oil men, remember?) always lower exorbitant gas prices right before elections in an effort to relax and hoodwink the American people into voting for them again. The rest of the time they gouge us, right before elections they lower prices to lull us back to sleep and thinking that all is well, all is well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:43 PM on 10/15/2008
- EarthToZoey I'm a Fan of EarthToZoey 227 fans permalink
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Just a few posts from a Right Wing blog to clue you in to what kind of meltdown they're having:

Bill Kristol loved "the cool one" no one even noticed he lied his a'ss off as Biden did against Sarah.
Fred Barnes buys it McCain s'ucked. Well they must have gotten the Obama payoff
dhunter on October 15, 2008 at 11:09 PM

Is FOX trying to get Obama elected??????
Connie on October 15, 2008 at 11:07 PM

Most independents are liberals in disguise. So it’s not surprising that these focus groups go for Obama.
johnt on October 15, 2008 at 10:52 PM

I’m so depressed. I’m going to bed.
anniekc on October 15, 2008 at 10:52 PM

I wrote to Fox and told them they’re n'uts.
Connie on October 15, 2008 at 10:53 PM

Krauthammer is going to have s'ex with BO next week……what is with these tools at FOX?
David in ATL on October 15, 2008 at 10:56 PM

Okay America. Commit s'uicide. f'uck it
carbon_footprint on October 15, 2008 at 10:57 PM

*deletes Fox News website from bookmarks*
This is beyond the pale.
Ugly on October 15, 2008 at 11:10 PM

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:25 PM on 10/15/2008
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LOL! Hilarious.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 PM on 10/15/2008
- EarthToZoey I'm a Fan of EarthToZoey 227 fans permalink
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I normally don't like taking pleasure in people's upsets but....

Muuwahahah­hahahahahh­aha!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 PM on 10/15/2008
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Thanks EZ, I needed that......­..........­...:)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 PM on 10/15/2008
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I'm so depressed. I'm going to bed...was that written in by McCain...L­OL!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 PM on 10/15/2008

ROFL!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 PM on 10/15/2008

Praise cheeses!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 PM on 10/15/2008

You be careful or your going to catch something over there

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 PM on 10/15/2008
- EarthToZoey I'm a Fan of EarthToZoey 227 fans permalink
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Thankfully, I'm a liberal and not opposed to condoms. ;)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 PM on 10/15/2008
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I take it back.

McCain should never look at Obama. Yikes!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:24 PM on 10/15/2008
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