Joe The Plumber: Not A Tax Expert

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First Posted: 10-16-08 11:37 AM   |   Updated: 11-16-08 05:12 AM

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Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher, a.k.a. "Joe the Plumber," is the topic of the day on the campaign trail, in part because he held an impromptu press conference Thursday morning in front of his house to discuss tax policy, his disdain for Social Security, and his critiques of Barack Obama.

Already, however, there is some dispute as to whether or not Wurzelbacher was being accurate with his critique of Obama. His business, as ABC reports, would almost certainly get a tax cut under Obama's plan, given that he does not expect to make anywhere close to $250,000 in profits.

Moreover, for someone worried about his taxes, Wurzelbacher doesn't -- it appears - always pay them. A filing with the Lucas County Court of Common Pleas shows that he has had state tax liens filed against him, meaning he was either delinquent or didn't fully cover taxes that he owed.

A representative at the court explained that Wurzelbacher had not paid $1,182.98 of personal income tax. The state filed a lien on January 26, 2007, and the payment remains outstanding. But the court rep also cautioned that this all may have occurred without Wurzelbacher's knowledge.

"We get hundreds of state liens every day and we don't have to make a judgment on them. We are just putting in there what the state says is owed. We don't notify that person and neither does the state. If there was activity on this lien, if they attempted to collect it on this case - which they haven't -- it would show up. But I am 99.9 percent positive that he doesn't even know about this."

Tax-issues aside, the "Joe-the-Plumber" fervor seems to be spreading beyond small town Ohio. On the streets of Manhattan this morning, a plumbing company car was spotted with a "Joe The Plumber For President" poster on its side.

But before Obama supporters fret about losing the plumber vote, it's worth noting that the United Association of Plumbers and Pipefitters has endorsed the Illinois Democrat, in part because the union thinks he has the best economic agenda for its members.

"Obama will help us keep existing jobs and work to develop new, higher paying jobs here in America, reform our health care system, fix our ailing schools and make sure that the pensions of our retirees are safe," the union said.

Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher, a.k.a. "Joe the Plumber," is the topic of the day on the campaign trail, in part because he held an impromptu press conference Thursday morning in front of his house to dis...
Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher, a.k.a. "Joe the Plumber," is the topic of the day on the campaign trail, in part because he held an impromptu press conference Thursday morning in front of his house to dis...
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This makes him even more of your typical American. Let's hope these kinds of comments make it out to Holland Ohio, especially the meathead ones. Please tick off the meatheads of Ohio, we need their votes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:21 PM on 10/16/2008
- garymc8 I'm a Fan of garymc8 34 fans permalink

GOP=The inbred hillbilly party

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:59 PM on 10/16/2008
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Why are you calling your constituents 'MEATHEADS"?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:03 PM on 10/16/2008

Joe "the Loser" . Look at the clip of him asking Barack questions? He didn't care what Barack had to say. He looks like he had his mind made up already. He had his arms crossed in defensive and close-minded kind of way. Look Joe "Six Pack", you need to take a class in basic accounting. When your business grosses $250 thousand, you are not MAKING $250 thousand. Get a freaking accountant and you might actually get to take a business loss. You talk about a "hand out". Sir, you might just need one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:16 PM on 10/16/2008
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He though Rocky said over 250 DOLLARS!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:03 PM on 10/16/2008
- shelobo I'm a Fan of shelobo 7 fans permalink

Joe with his ideas of having his pipe and smokeing it at the same time ,is NOT going to use UNION workers,when he opens his own business.I think THIS poor Joe should have done some SERIOUS Thinking BEFORE he got mixed up with McCains Republican Mafia Klan...Joe ,I betcha you have Moose S**T on your boots.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:13 PM on 10/16/2008
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Use union workers? The guy, and his boss, aren't even licensed.

http://www.ajc.com/news/content/shared-gen/ap/Presidential_Elections/Joe_the_Plumber.html?cxntlid=homepage_tab_newstab

Another great pick from John McCain! Joe the Plumber operating illegally in Ohio and not paying his taxes is John McCain's idea of a great American.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:30 PM on 10/16/2008
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Paying Taxes would be UNPATRIOTIC!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:04 PM on 10/16/2008
- mnyobpres I'm a Fan of mnyobpres 8 fans permalink

Joe! Why did you do it MAN..Why!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:13 PM on 10/16/2008
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Please remember that one of John McCain's good friends is former Nixon PLUMBER G. Gordon Liddy. A convicted unrepentant demostic TERRORIST.
As for Joe da' plumber, maybe he's just JOE BLOW.
Desperate acts by little people.
Speaking of, why has McCain's connections to Kemper Marley, the guy who had another PLUMBER blow up a reporter in Phoenix a few years back, not been covered more? After all, no one of either party in Arizona got a green light without Kemper's blessing. Not to mention Kemper was Jim Hensley's (Cindy McCain's father) benefactor for over forty years.
I have nothing against plumbers, I grew up in the trades.
Pro Union/Pro Obama

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:13 PM on 10/16/2008
- Toonadude I'm a Fan of Toonadude 15 fans permalink

Joe .... forget plumbing already ....... you're CEO material.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:05 PM on 10/16/2008
- Liberal2 I'm a Fan of Liberal2 39 fans permalink

Now that should be the HuffPost Pick. Thanks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 PM on 10/16/2008
- JT16682 I'm a Fan of JT16682 4 fans permalink

That makes him in the same league as Sarah Palin (not paying taxes on per diems for staying in own home). No wonder McCain is so much enamored with him...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:04 PM on 10/16/2008

Maybe Joe doea plumbing on line?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:01 PM on 10/16/2008

Joe Sixpack, Joe plumber, Average Joe.....

Whats next......­.........T­he Average White Band!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:59 PM on 10/16/2008

A W B was a good group. The McCain-Palin ticket is built on gimmicks!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:27 PM on 10/16/2008

and furthermore what about us Average Dicks out there....l­ol

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:35 PM on 10/16/2008
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pick up the pieces does sound like the McCain/Palin campaign strategy- the obvious result of the Bush/McCain pottery barn rule...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:40 PM on 10/16/2008

It is a message in disguise with the Joe sixpack and Joe plumber thing.... They are courting the Hispanic vote...LOS DOS JOES.....Y­eah that is going get my vote john. Adios Pendejo!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:58 PM on 10/16/2008
- taceva I'm a Fan of taceva 3 fans permalink

LEAVE JOE THE PLUMBER ALONNNNNNN­E!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:54 PM on 10/16/2008
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now that's funny...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:29 PM on 10/16/2008

He's not a plumber. He has no license to be a plumer in a state that requires a licnese. He might be the one in the ditch mucking out the uhhuh.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:53 PM on 10/16/2008

the state of Ohio does not require a license to be a plumber. The county he lives in does. But he might do his business in a neighboring county.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:58 PM on 10/16/2008

SAY IT ISN"T SO JOE!!??!!!

"JOE PLUMBER"..­.obviously just a neighborhood blowhard trying to look smarter than The Guy running for President in front of his neighbors . I really can't feel sorry for the guy. He makes like taxes are some big deal to him...like he's Mr. Blue-collar Success story about to make a 1/4 mill...and then, it turns out he wasn't buying a business, he doesn't even have a plumber's licencse, he doesn't pay his taxes, he's probably making 20k and is too stupid to vote for the tax plan that is in his best interest. Instead of being "Mr. Thinking-t­hings-thro­ugh-carefu­lly", we discover he's really a "McCain" "military" fan. He wants to meet McCain since it would be such "an honor". Like that's gonna happen now!!!! Sorry Joe!!! The best part of this story is that McCain was smuggly using this shiney new "Joe Plumber" story all morning long out on the stump. Hilarious!!! Don't his people vet anything before using it???!!!.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:50 PM on 10/16/2008
- DocJerome I'm a Fan of DocJerome 22 fans permalink

Joe the plumber is a FRAUD.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:56 PM on 10/16/2008

Joe fits right nicely into McCain's camp--liars, frauds, deceivers, tax dodgers. Welcome to the McCain/Palin club, Joe!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:34 PM on 10/16/2008

Joe 6 pack
now joe the plumber
can I even afford a plumber
let alone a 6 pack

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:49 PM on 10/16/2008
- TrueThis I'm a Fan of TrueThis 31 fans permalink

The man does not have a plumber licenses. He was not going to vote for Obama. He just a messy meathead.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:49 PM on 10/16/2008

Hey...Obam­a came to HIS street. He didn't go out of his way to ask him a question. A Presidential candidate is on your street and you wouldn't ask him a question? He is not supposed to ask because he is a McCain supporter? Obama should be able to field a question from a regular guy

And all you guys can do is attack him. its laughable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:08 PM on 10/16/2008
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