Dow ends up 401 in another stunning U-turn

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ELLEN SIMON | October 16, 2008 09:09 PM EST | AP

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Traders work on the floor of the New York Stock Exchange Thursday, Oct. 16, 2008. (AP Photo/Richard Drew)

NEW YORK — A stock market as difficult to fathom as it is volatile pulled off another stunning U-turn on Thursday, transforming a 380-point loss for the Dow Jones industrials into a 401-point gain. Was it the government's bailout beginning to have an effect? The credit markets finally beginning to loosen up? Investors looking for a bottom in stocks?

Wall Street seemed sure of this much: The whipsawing will continue. So buckle up.

"You're not going to see 50-point ranges, you're going to see two-three-four hundred point ranges," said Woody Dorsey, president of Market Semiotics, a financial forecasting firm in Castleton, Vt.

At any other time in the history of the stock markets, a day like Thursday would be enough to draw a double take. But in these extraordinary times, it was the second-calmest day of the week.

The Dow set a record on Monday with a 936-point gain. After a 77-point loss on Tuesday, a relative breather, sellers stampeded on Wednesday and drove the Dow back down 733.

On Thursday, heavy selling in the morning took the Dow close to 8,200, but stocks rallied into the lunch hour and picked up steam in the afternoon. The average finished at 8,979.26.

The gain of 401 points marked the 21st trading session out of the past 24 in which the Dow has finished with a triple-digit gain or loss, an unprecedented run of volatility.

Thanks to a massive cash infusion by European central banks and the U.S. Treasury, interest rates on overnight, one-week and two-week debt began to shrink, and lending loosened up just a bit.

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"It's a start, but we've still got a long way to go," said Kim Rupert, fixed income analyst at research firm Action Economics LLC.

Loan auctions by the European Central Bank, the Bank of England and the Swiss National Bank, as well as the Federal Reserve's plan to buy about $250 billion in bank stocks, seemed to restore some confidence to credit markets.

"Credit markets are thawing," said Jack Ablin, chief investment officer at Harris Private Bank. "The fear I had that our capital market system would grind to a halt _ I don't have that concern. I can sleep all night now."

The economic picture did not look much rosier. Prices stayed flat overall in September, the government reported _ meaning inflation is in check, at least for now. Gas, clothes and new cars got cheaper, and food, medical care and other items got more expensive.

In an indicator that more price declines might follow, crude oil fell $3.14 a barrel to $71.40, about where it was a year ago and a level unimaginable over the summer, when gasoline soared past $4 a gallon.

"Inflation has peaked," said Ian Shepherdson, chief U.S. economist at High Frequency Economics, predicting huge declines in inflation readings.

But the paychecks Americans use to pay for all of it are shrinking. Weekly wages dropped by 2.5 percent in September from a year ago.

In a reflection of the trouble in the banking industry, Citigroup said it lost $2.8 billion in the third quarter, compared with a profit of $2.2 billion a year ago. The deficit for the July-to-September period brings Citi's total losses over the past year to more than $20 billion. The bank said it had cut 11,000 jobs in the third quarter, bringing its job cuts for the year to 23,000.

General Motors Corp. said it would lay off 1,600 workers at three factories indefinitely over the next few months.

The U.S. economy is suffering from a litany of problems: falling wages, weak consumer spending, tight credit, slumping home prices and rising job losses. While the number of new people signing up for unemployment benefits last week dropped, new claims still totaled 461,000 _ a figure associated with deep troubles in employment conditions.

Still, on Wall Street, other major averages showed gains similar to the Dow's 4.7 percent. The Standard & Poor's 500 gained more than 4 percent, and the Nasdaq composite index added 5.5 percent.

But one day's climb won't do much to repair investors' portfolios. Since Oct. 9, 2007, when the Dow topped 14,000, investors have lost $8.3 trillion from pension funds, college savings plans, 401(k)s and other investments.

Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke have expressed confidence that the government's radical efforts to stabilize the financial system and induce banks to lend again will eventually help the economy. They have also warned that the economy won't turn around quickly.

NEW YORK — A stock market as difficult to fathom as it is volatile pulled off another stunning U-turn on Thursday, transforming a 380-point loss for the Dow Jones industrials into a 401-point ga...
NEW YORK — A stock market as difficult to fathom as it is volatile pulled off another stunning U-turn on Thursday, transforming a 380-point loss for the Dow Jones industrials into a 401-point ga...
 
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Imagine the flurry of insider trading going on as the stock markets see-saw...I mean, there used to be oversight against these things, right?

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:33 AM on 10/17/2008

How can you "wage class warfare" when you're supporting the middle class??? Obama is not the one doing the warfare - it's the supporters of the upper one-half of one percent who are stomping all over everyone else, middle and lower classes alike. Now THAT's warfare!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:42 PM on 10/16/2008

How long should we wait for this crisis? As you know, Nikkei plunged about 10 % every day, it means Nikkei will be 0 in two weeks if bailout is still supported by Bush and Administration.

We don`t have enough time to wait for Obama; I think we need an upraising.

Agung Trisetyarso
Yokohama, Japan

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:09 PM on 10/16/2008

Worry, worry, scurry and hurry. Oh no the ski is falling. We are doomed. Oh no not us we are so smart and so educated. Well nature takes care of things when they get to big. Think of this as not the end but the beginning of a simpler way of life with out all the complexities we spend all our time trying to fix.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:09 PM on 10/16/2008

Ready for the coming Mega-Depression? This "downturn" will be the largest economic collapse in (recorded) human history! Think about it a little more. USA is world's economic anchor post, the "go to" guy, the center around which all else pivots. The US dollar is the trading currency of the modern world. The US economy substantially supports global commerce. With a collapse of consumer spending in the US, other national economies will be either decimated (China, Korea) or badly wounded (Oil-based economies). Europe will be much more damaged than they would like like to admit 'a priori'. One can already see the damage in Europe by their scramble to shore up their banks with prodigious amounts of Pounds (Britain) and Euros. It's going to be a brand new world, unexplored territory much sonner than December 21, 2012 (if you've been paying attention).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:00 PM on 10/16/2008

Dear Raster,

It is difficult to know whether your analysis is right or not, but it seems possible, at the very least. It is not just a potential collapse in the United States that makes this a frightening possibility. Much of the industrialized world is dealing with the same issues as this nation is. Who would have expected to see Russia come to the economic rescue of Iceland?

Many TV shows have concentrated on the Mayan projection that the world will end its current cycle on the date you mention. That date is no more likely to see the end of the world, however, than any of the other dates throughout history.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:15 PM on 10/16/2008

For those who believe in prophecy, just remember NONE of it ever worked out. We always pretend it did - in hindsight. Those who believe Hitler fulfilled Nostradamus are ignoring the fact that Adolph Schicklegruber TOOK that name, Hitler, precisely believing he'd been 'chosen' to fulfill the legacy. Wrong. Instead of a 1000-year Reich, he gave the world 13 years of unmitigated hell and then died. So as far as prophecy goes the rule should always be - don't mix in. Now we have Bush, Palin, and the other End Times folks doing things such as using genetic manipulation to create the Red Heifer, cause the Fall of Babylon (Iraq) and bringing back the Temple in Jerusalem. Well - it's not going to work. But it COULD create another Dark Age, a post-nuclear holocaust. And Jesus still wouldn't return. So STOP with the prophecies already and start trying to rebuild the world we have. We don't get a do-over.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:48 PM on 10/16/2008

How many Rate Cuts have saved us thus far? Let's admit it...we have failed and our financial institutions have failed us. Let it rip...let them go down. When someone goes down someone is lifted.

I am just tired of no ideas Presidency and hope Obama will bring in some new ideas.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 PM on 10/16/2008

Words from Chairman George Soros:

"US consumers will not be able to play the role of the engine of the world economy if world recession occurs. The US administration must stimulate the demand.

"Since there is global warming and energy dependence threatening the USA, the next administration will need to direct all development programs on the energy saving, the development of alternative energy and the construction of green infrastructure," Soros said.

The United States and a part of Europe will have nationalized banks and huge debts. China will become the new global financial empire.

"The USA"s influence has already begun to decline. For the past 25 years, we have been running a constant current account deficit. The Chinese and the oil-producing countries have been running a surplus. We have consumed more than we produced. While we have run up debt, they have acquired wealth with their savings. Increasingly, the Chinese will own a lot more of the world because they will be converting their dollar reserves and US government bonds into real assets. The power shift towards Asia will occur as a result of the sins which America committed during the recent 25 years," Soros said.

I think Obama is tuned in to Soros' Red Book on economy!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 AM on 10/16/2008
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Why is it these Bozo's like Paulson who oversaw and endorsed the policies that created this disaster won't listen to Stiglitz, Krugman, Brookley Born, Michael Greenberger or Feldstein, Zingales who all see a way out and have the actual solutions..?

Goldman Sachs is mucking this thing up..I.E. Paulson and Kashkari....we'll see a national and world wide collapse and world wide depression which will surely beget War..as well..!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:15 AM on 10/16/2008

no comments????!!! surely everyone here realizes that if obama can save the country he most surely can save the world, too

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:57 AM on 10/16/2008
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