McCain: Obama's Tax Policies Are Socialist

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GLEN JOHNSON | October 18, 2008 11:59 AM EST | AP

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CONCORD, N.C. — Republican presidential candidate John McCain on Saturday accused Democratic rival Barack Obama of favoring a socialistic economic approach by supporting tax cuts and tax credits McCain says would merely shuffle wealth rather than creating it.

"At least in Europe, the Socialist leaders who so admire my opponent are upfront about their objectives," McCain said in a radio address. "They use real numbers and honest language. And we should demand equal candor from Sen. Obama. Raising taxes on some in order to give checks to others is not a tax cut; it's just another government giveaway."

McCain, though, has a health care plan girded with a similar philosophy. He proposes providing individuals with a $5,000 tax credit to buy health insurance. He would pay for his plan, in part, by considering as taxable income the money their employer spends on their health coverage.

McCain leveled his charge before a pair of appearances aimed at restoring his lead in critical battleground states. In both North Carolina and Virginia, where McCain was to speak later in the day, his campaign has surrendered its lead to Obama in various polls. President Bush, a Republican, won both states in 2004.

During a rally outside Charlotte, N.C., McCain returned to the socialism theme, although he did not use the more tart language of his radio address.

He also was sharply critical of the Bush administration, saying it should be more aggressive in buying up the home mortgages of those trapped by high interest rates and falling housing values.

"The administration is not doing it. The secretary of the Treasury is not doing it," McCain told the crowd. "We need to buy up these mortgages, give you a mortgage that you can afford, so you can pay your mortgage and realize the American Dream of owning your home."

McCain stoked the crowd by accusing Obama and his fellow Democrats of assuming they will not only win the White House but expand their congressional majority.

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"Did you happen to see that Speaker (Nancy) Pelosi anticipates a 250-seat majority" in the House, the senator asked. "My friends, we can't let that happen. My friends, taxes will increase, spending and they'll concede defeat in Iraq."

The last Democratic candidate to win North Carolina was Southerner Jimmy Carter in 1976, when the Republicans were reeling from President Nixon's resignation following the Watergate scandal. Virginia has not voted for a Democratic nominee since President Johnson's landslide victory in 1964.

McCain's drop in the state polls follow larger national trends that have given Obama a lead following Wall Street chaos that focused the race on who is best equipped to restore the economy.

On Sunday, McCain was to travel to Ohio, where he might appear with "Joe the Plumber," the Holland, Ohio, plumber Joe Wurzelbacher whom the senator has been portraying as emblematic of people with concerns about Obama's tax plans.

Wurzelbacher became the focal point of the final presidential debate after he met Obama earlier in the week and said the Democrat's tax proposal could keep him from buying the two-man plumbing company where he works. However, reports of Wurzelbacher's annual earnings suggest he would receive a tax cut rather than an increase under Obama's plan.

Obama has said his tax policies would cut payments for 95 percent of working Americans, while increasing them only for families making more than $250,000 a year. McCain has argued that 40 percent of Americans don't pay income taxes, either because they are seniors or don't meet minimum earnings thresholds, so the only way to cut their taxes is to give them various credits.

"In other words, Barack Obama's tax plan would convert the IRS into a giant welfare agency, redistributing massive amounts of wealth at the direction of politicians in Washington," McCain said in the radio address.

An Obama spokesman did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

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CONCORD, N.C. — Republican presidential candidate John McCain on Saturday accused Democratic rival Barack Obama of favoring a socialistic economic approach by supporting tax cuts and tax credits...
CONCORD, N.C. — Republican presidential candidate John McCain on Saturday accused Democratic rival Barack Obama of favoring a socialistic economic approach by supporting tax cuts and tax credits...
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- Diogenes08 I'm a Fan of Diogenes08 28 fans permalink
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America is full of really neat stuff. If you have the money you can have nearly anything to be had on this planet. IF you have the money. For as long as I can remember I've had this feeling, the same feeling that most of you have, that somebody else is walking around with most of my stuff.
Through the grace of God and an inside straight I find myself in a strange place, dead in the middle of a BUNCH of rich, mostly lame people at a convention (drunken orgy of self-indulgence) who have way too much stuff. You see em in the Cadillac ads asking their car to turn them on, you see em in the news shutting down factories. I found em. THESE are the people that have my stuff, YOUR stuff, the ones who have stolen the American dream and are hoarding it for themselves. And they are in no way worthy. I can't tell you where I am just yet, but I feel like a spy, and if they knew what I'm thinking it would scare em shirtless.
I want to redistribute their wealth. I'll let you know what happens.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:10 PM on 10/18/2008
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"At least in Europe, the Socialist leaders who so admire my opponent are upfront about their objectives," McCain said in a radio address. "They use real numbers and honest language.

John McCain apparently has no idea what socialism is. And which European socialist leaders
is he referring to? I live in Europe, and I'm not familiar with any. Socialism is the soft version
of communism, and hasn't been around since the collapse of the Soviet Union and the DDR.
The fact that McCain can sell such crap to Americans demonstrate the level of his own
intellect and that of his followers. Ignorance is indeed a dangerous thing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:08 PM on 10/18/2008
- Birdman I'm a Fan of Birdman 34 fans permalink

Yes ignorance is a dangerous thing and most of ignorent masses live here in this country. Some may disagree with me, but after all, we have Bush as president TWICE....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:18 PM on 10/18/2008
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I have my own business in aviation i.e engine changes ect ect. and I do not make 250k a year!!! and if I did I would be willing to help the ones earning less whilst working very hard as well to pay a little less on taxes. I would not mind not one dayummm bit helping out my fellow Americans!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:56 PM on 10/18/2008
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I would not mind not one dayummm bit helping out my fellow Americans!!

Feel free to send what you consider your underpayment to , say, the USO. Parlay that donation into a tax deduction! If the USO is too hawkish to you , just give it to ACORN, same tax deduction.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:40 PM on 10/18/2008
- Birdman I'm a Fan of Birdman 34 fans permalink

I was going to comment but realized you ain't worth the words

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:20 PM on 10/18/2008

Its incredible how half the Liberal bloggers (mostly the populists) deny that Obama is a Socialist while the other half (legitimate left wing extremists) defend and embrace Socialism.

It seems like this article has proven its point - half the Democrats are Socialists and the other half don't know what they are supporting (they are deceived by the smooth talking, ever lying Obama).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:53 PM on 10/18/2008

Whatever.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:12 PM on 10/18/2008
- jkminwa I'm a Fan of jkminwa 5 fans permalink

Bob - You've lived with the type of "socialism" Barack Obama supports your whole life. Worse, maybe, if you were alive when Eisenhower was President. Does Obama oppose private enterprise? No. Will all citizens receive the same wage, no matter what they do? No. Does he propose to sell health insurance to people who otherwise cannot afford insurance or are denied insurance because of pre-existing conditons? Yes. Will that compete with existing insurance business? Maybe a little bit, but the program wouldn't be necessary if the insurance companies had offered insurance to the uninsured. Have we seen anything like it before? YES. Medicare and medicaid. Or maybe you're not talking about the insurance.­..maybe you're talking about the increase in the marginal tax rate? The one that will still leave the top rates as low as they had been in the almost fifty years before Bush?

My guess is that you're another conservative who loves this kind of socialism, but just when you're the beneficiary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:31 PM on 10/18/2008
- 23000Days I'm a Fan of 23000Days 93 fans permalink
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Socialism as defined by Merriam-Webster:
1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods.

Didn't the Bush Admin just decide to take ownership intrest in Banks?


2 a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state.

Who has said ANYTHING about taking anyones private property? Who has said anything about production being government-owned?


3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done.

We've always had 3, in one version or another.

So your beef is......??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:34 PM on 10/18/2008
- elcolonelo I'm a Fan of elcolonelo 4 fans permalink

Senator McCain, your running mate can't even spell socialism.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:45 PM on 10/18/2008
- geobushono I'm a Fan of geobushono 15 fans permalink

I pray to God they're Socialist policies. I've had enough pain from the capitalists looking out for my interests.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:41 PM on 10/18/2008
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You need tending?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:53 PM on 10/18/2008
- joebiz I'm a Fan of joebiz 9 fans permalink

Socialists, like the guys that kept him in a tiger cage and Hanoi Hilton? The guys that nursed him to health after a good butt whuppin'. Oh, those socialists.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:35 PM on 10/18/2008

Nothing to make him look more like Bush, let's fan the flame of hatred that is my base and only votes

Signed John McCain

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:31 PM on 10/18/2008

See the fist. I'm have flashbacks. Daddy want to beat the crap out of us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:30 PM on 10/18/2008
- sbvpav I'm a Fan of sbvpav 25 fans permalink

oh no! not the dreaded socialist word; what's next liberal (when you know what they really want to say is uppity "n" which i understand now in robocalls in pa. they are.) as i have said before, if you and or your family are surviving while you are out of work on unemployment benefits, if your aging parents are surviving on social security and medicare, if you or a loved one has survived a deadly car accident because of the use of seat belt restraints, if your savings will survive a run on the bank because of the fdic, if you can be semi-assured your workplace is safe because of osha, all these survival tools have been brought to you by a - hear it comes - LIBERAL! thank you very much!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:30 PM on 10/18/2008

Now McCain is calling TAX BREAKS FOR THE MIDDLE CLASS ..........­..SOCIALIS­T? !!!!!

WOW!

And what do we call Cindy's five million, 26% tax rate, as compared to an equal tax rate paid by someone else making far less than her MILLIONS? FAIR? EQUITABLE?

Now I see.

John McCain wants the KINGS' WEALTH.
More for him; less for you.
That explains how he was able to comfortable bilk the US Tax payer out of BILLIONS, and 20,000 home owners of their life's savings, when he REPRESENTED CHARLES KEATING'S INTERESTS, along with CINDY'S INTERESTS, instead of the PEOPLE'S INTERESTS, in his Keating 5 scandal.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:22 PM on 10/18/2008

This is my chart of the day. It's the best comparison of McCain and Obama's tax plans that I have ever seen. I would love for the MSM to use this:

http://chartjunk.karmanaut.com/images/taxplans.pdf

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:17 PM on 10/18/2008

Capitalism is about profits for power and vice versa. It is not simply about aggregate or total demand it is about EFFECTIVE Demand (actual ability as well as willingness to buy). No mass demand, no profit potential, no mass investment, no mass Supply, no mass jobs, no mass incomes, no mass saving, no tax revenues and no continuing mass Demand. Whereas Demand creates Supply directly, Supply creates demand indirectly and in roundabout ways. Tax cuts, especially if for the top 10% of income earners, do not automatically create investment and jobs because the incentive to invest depends more on the prospect of the output being actually sold than on expected after-tax profits on a given potential investment appearing to be larger with a tax cut. Plus even with a tax cut for the rich, giving them increased and increasingly concentrated dollar votes (distorting overall demand away from structures of demand reflecting needs of masses) the rich may well and often do, "invest abroad", buy luxury imports, put money into esoteric financial instruments or just stock up on gold. On the other hand, selective tax increases may, and often do, help to generate not dampen job creation, by stimulating effective mass demand, mass saving and overall structures of demand more conducive to triggering mass investment, jobs, lower interest rates accompanying deficits/debt reductions, higher real incomes and increased aggregate supply.

Time to directly take on this myth that only blanket tax cuts (trojan horses for the rich) generate jobs etc.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:10 PM on 10/18/2008
- Oregon Ivy I'm a Fan of Oregon Ivy 11 fans permalink

Let"s remember some of the industries that were enabled through "socialism" aka federal tax dollars, in the USA.

1. Technology industry
2. Pharmaceutical Industry
3. Computer Industry
4. Industrial automation
5. Aeronautics industry
6. Telecommunications industry
7. Satellite/GPS Industry

And under Bush/McCain’s watch, the corrupt Wall Street Bankers, forced upon the American taxpayers to the tune of $700 BILLION dollars

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:05 PM on 10/18/2008
- Oregon Ivy I'm a Fan of Oregon Ivy 11 fans permalink

Moderator: Why do you keep removing this comment? It's not abusive or out of bounds. It's facts with links to a NYT article supporting those facts.

Since 1929, Republicans and Democrats have each controlled the presidency for nearly 40 years. So which party has been better for American pocketbooks and capitalism as a whole? Well, here’s an experiment: imagine that during these years you had to invest exclusively under either Democratic or Republican administrations. How would you have fared?

As of Friday, a $10,000 investment in the S.& P. stock market index* would have grown to $11,733 if invested under Republican presidents only, although that would be $51,211 if we exclude Herbert Hoover’s presidency during the Great Depression. Invested under Democratic presidents only, $10,000 would have grown to $300,671 at a compound rate of 8.9 percent over nearly 40 years.


http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2008/10/14/opinion/20081014_OPCHART.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:02 PM on 10/18/2008
- Viper I'm a Fan of Viper 255 fans permalink

What no repug replies...­. I know it was the poors fault... no no .. it was ACORN... no it was Obama.. he caused it! LOL...

Regards

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:14 PM on 10/18/2008
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I've posted similar info in the recent past (ie. Dems/Repubs and the Economy):

While statistics show that the Economy does BETTER under DEMOCRATIC leadership and worse under Republican leadership, conservatives brag about belonging to the party of 'fiscal responsibi­lity.' Bush came into the White House with a budget surplus and turned into one of the biggest deficits ever. Want more of that Conservatism?

Statistically speaking, the economy does better under Dem Presidents than Repubs.
The stock market does far BETTER UNDER DEMOCRATS. This finding is examined by two finance professors at the University of California, Pedro Santa-Clara and Rossen Valkanov, in an article published in The Journal of Finance.

Looking at data between 1927 and 1998, they find that during those years the stock market returned about 11 percent MORE a year UNDER DEMOCRATIC presidents and 2 percent more under Republicans. There is NO proof that Republican Presidents are better for the U.S. economy than Democratic Presidents.

Indeed, data indicates the opposite. [so, vote Democratic if you want a better chance of an improved Economy]

http://people.ischool.berkeley.edu/~hal/people/hal/NYTimes/2003-11-20.html
http://www.eriposte.com/economy/other/demovsrep.htm

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:17 PM on 10/18/2008
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