McCain: Obama's Tax Policies Are Socialist

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GLEN JOHNSON | October 18, 2008 11:59 AM EST | AP

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CONCORD, N.C. — Republican presidential candidate John McCain on Saturday accused Democratic rival Barack Obama of favoring a socialistic economic approach by supporting tax cuts and tax credits McCain says would merely shuffle wealth rather than creating it.

"At least in Europe, the Socialist leaders who so admire my opponent are upfront about their objectives," McCain said in a radio address. "They use real numbers and honest language. And we should demand equal candor from Sen. Obama. Raising taxes on some in order to give checks to others is not a tax cut; it's just another government giveaway."

McCain, though, has a health care plan girded with a similar philosophy. He proposes providing individuals with a $5,000 tax credit to buy health insurance. He would pay for his plan, in part, by considering as taxable income the money their employer spends on their health coverage.

McCain leveled his charge before a pair of appearances aimed at restoring his lead in critical battleground states. In both North Carolina and Virginia, where McCain was to speak later in the day, his campaign has surrendered its lead to Obama in various polls. President Bush, a Republican, won both states in 2004.

During a rally outside Charlotte, N.C., McCain returned to the socialism theme, although he did not use the more tart language of his radio address.

He also was sharply critical of the Bush administration, saying it should be more aggressive in buying up the home mortgages of those trapped by high interest rates and falling housing values.

"The administration is not doing it. The secretary of the Treasury is not doing it," McCain told the crowd. "We need to buy up these mortgages, give you a mortgage that you can afford, so you can pay your mortgage and realize the American Dream of owning your home."

McCain stoked the crowd by accusing Obama and his fellow Democrats of assuming they will not only win the White House but expand their congressional majority.

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"Did you happen to see that Speaker (Nancy) Pelosi anticipates a 250-seat majority" in the House, the senator asked. "My friends, we can't let that happen. My friends, taxes will increase, spending and they'll concede defeat in Iraq."

The last Democratic candidate to win North Carolina was Southerner Jimmy Carter in 1976, when the Republicans were reeling from President Nixon's resignation following the Watergate scandal. Virginia has not voted for a Democratic nominee since President Johnson's landslide victory in 1964.

McCain's drop in the state polls follow larger national trends that have given Obama a lead following Wall Street chaos that focused the race on who is best equipped to restore the economy.

On Sunday, McCain was to travel to Ohio, where he might appear with "Joe the Plumber," the Holland, Ohio, plumber Joe Wurzelbacher whom the senator has been portraying as emblematic of people with concerns about Obama's tax plans.

Wurzelbacher became the focal point of the final presidential debate after he met Obama earlier in the week and said the Democrat's tax proposal could keep him from buying the two-man plumbing company where he works. However, reports of Wurzelbacher's annual earnings suggest he would receive a tax cut rather than an increase under Obama's plan.

Obama has said his tax policies would cut payments for 95 percent of working Americans, while increasing them only for families making more than $250,000 a year. McCain has argued that 40 percent of Americans don't pay income taxes, either because they are seniors or don't meet minimum earnings thresholds, so the only way to cut their taxes is to give them various credits.

"In other words, Barack Obama's tax plan would convert the IRS into a giant welfare agency, redistributing massive amounts of wealth at the direction of politicians in Washington," McCain said in the radio address.

An Obama spokesman did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

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CONCORD, N.C. — Republican presidential candidate John McCain on Saturday accused Democratic rival Barack Obama of favoring a socialistic economic approach by supporting tax cuts and tax credits...
CONCORD, N.C. — Republican presidential candidate John McCain on Saturday accused Democratic rival Barack Obama of favoring a socialistic economic approach by supporting tax cuts and tax credits...
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- Oregon Ivy I'm a Fan of Oregon Ivy 11 fans permalink

Since 1929, Republicans and Democrats have each controlled the presidency for nearly 40 years. So which party has been better for American pocketbooks and capitalism as a whole? Well, here’s an experiment: imagine that during these years you had to invest exclusively under either Democratic or Republican administrations. How would you have fared?

As of Friday, a $10,000 investment in the S.& P. stock market index* would have grown to $11,733 if invested under Republican presidents only, although that would be $51,211 if we exclude Herbert Hoover’s presidency during the Great Depression. Invested under Democratic presidents only, $10,000 would have grown to $300,671 at a compound rate of 8.9 percent over nearly 40 years.


http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2008/10/14/opinion/20081014_OPCHART.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:58 PM on 10/18/2008
- Viper I'm a Fan of Viper 297 fans permalink

Spread that around. That means DEMs are 30 times better.. thats not a statistical quirk with that magnitude of difference.

Regards

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:07 PM on 10/18/2008
- Oregon Ivy I'm a Fan of Oregon Ivy 11 fans permalink

And yet the Repub party keeps spreading the myth that Democrats "tax and spend" and that tax cuts for the rich and corporations wll trickle down and make everyone wealthy. Why do people keep buying the snake oil?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:21 PM on 10/18/2008
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Let’s remember some of the industries that were enabled through "socialism" aka federal tax dollars, in the USA.

1. Technology industry
2. Pharmaceutical Industry
3. Computer Industry
4. Industrial automation
5. Aeronautics industry
6. Telecommunications industry
7. Satellite/GPS Industry

Oh, and the federally funded health care system enjoyed by all US Senators.

Socialism has helped create some of America’s most vital industries.

Sorry McCain, Hannity, Limbaugh, Glenn Beck. But you don’t know what you are talking about when you go off on your "socialism in the USA" rants.

Complete ignorance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:57 PM on 10/18/2008
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Your premise is not socialism. Each of these were R&D mostly funded through NASA and other defense programs but not OWNED by the government.

So·cial·ism
Pronunciation:
ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm
Function:
noun
Date:
1837

1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods2 a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:12 PM on 10/18/2008
- Viper I'm a Fan of Viper 297 fans permalink

NASA is not owned by the government?

While I agree with the defintion.. its your canidate thats calling tax cuts for the middleclass socialism.. does not fit...

Medicare is government funded only... Its not owned by the government... the Doctors are not government employees anymore than a company working on a state road is socialism. Its administration is subcontracted out also ( at just 3%).


Regards

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:20 PM on 10/18/2008
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You dont know that the United States military and NASA ARE goverment owned?

You may want to get a refund from the college you attented.

Yes, NASA and the American military are government entites, aka OWNED.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 PM on 11/01/2008
- oldfart1 I'm a Fan of oldfart1 6 fans permalink

John McCain has always worked for the government, as did his father before him.

He also smashed three planes ($$$$$$) stateside.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:56 PM on 10/18/2008

Why attack Joe Wurzelbacher? So what if he's for McCain. He asked Obama a question. Nobody forced Obama to respond the way he did. Obama slipped up in his answer and said "spread the wealth."
I could care less abou this Joe guy. I will never hear about him again in two months unless he goes on the Sureal Life on VH1.
I do care about Obama's answer to the question and his "spread the wealth" response.
Was Obama planted by the McCain camp as well? Was Obama forced to answer that way? We should look into that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:54 PM on 10/18/2008
- Viper I'm a Fan of Viper 297 fans permalink

The only problem with Joe is he lied to make a point.

The welath has been spread upwards... so yes it must be spread downwrad to correct the distortion.

Exec Pay going up from 30 times the average pay to 420 times.

Cindy McCain paying at a lower tax rate than I do is wealth redistribution. that you dont have a problem with or our country having now the wealth distribution of a Banana republic.


Regards

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:59 PM on 10/18/2008
- oldfart1 I'm a Fan of oldfart1 6 fans permalink

Joe is for Joe, and that's the problem. He doesn't want to pay his taxes, so he can save money to buy a business that he will run into the ground (he isn't even a licensed plumber), causing him to default on a loan and declare bankruptcy.

All Joe can think about is Joe. Barrack was trying to tell him that greed is not good, and that a rising tide lifts all boats. But Joe didn't get it. Neither does Goulet.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:04 PM on 10/18/2008
- LAcarlito I'm a Fan of LAcarlito 7 fans permalink

It was not a SLIP. Obama stood by that answer. And I agree with him. Even though I will/may pay more taxes under Obama as President.

I am also tired of the problems I have in providing health insurance to my small company. I do it. We have one of those "Cadillac policies" that McCain wants to tax the crap out of. So when you net it all together, I have no doubt that McCain is likely to make my life/business more difficult.

But forget the economics, I could never vote for McCain because of his social views (Supreme Court, etc...). So I will vote for Obama even if it costs me more personally (tax-wise) in the short run. A screwed up Supreme Court for the next 20-30 years is something I CAN NOT PUT A PRICE ON!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:07 PM on 10/18/2008
- jkminwa I'm a Fan of jkminwa 5 fans permalink

During the Bush years, government policy has been concentrating wealth in the wealthiest. Obama has proposed changes in government policy so that the wealthiest no longer receive a disproportionate amount of government benefits. Therefore, his policies will spread the wealth. And what is wrong with that? Ever since Reagan, the rich have waged a class war on the working and middle classes. During that time, we have had at least four recessions. Now, we fight back.

BTW, no one gave a d*mn about Joe Wurzelbacher until McCain used him as an example of a businessperson who would be hurt by Obama's policies. Obama answered Wurzelbacher's question sincerely and honestly, and never questioned Joe's right (or the rioght of anyone) to ask a question. But McCain used him as an example to criticize Obama, without doing any research about Joe. Turns out, Joe isn't a very good example. We've seen this before. It wasn't too long ago that conservatives were claiming that the estate tax would force small businesses and family farms to liquidate, and arguing the tax had to be repealed. Problem is,they could never find anyone who was affected.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:12 PM on 10/18/2008
- arthur2008 I'm a Fan of arthur2008 5 fans permalink

Hate speech in a historically solid red state in the homestretch.

Whule Sen. Obama takes Missouri by storm.

How's the McCain campaign making out?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:52 PM on 10/18/2008
- RebelCPA I'm a Fan of RebelCPA 3 fans permalink

They have called him a terrorist.

Now they are calling him a socialist.

On January 20th they will be calling him Mr. President


Vote Obama / Biden and make it happen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:50 PM on 10/18/2008
- boophus I'm a Fan of boophus 10 fans permalink

LOVE your post. I haven't felt such possibilities fo something better coming in nearly 40 years. I want to see that hope take seed and grow into another great leap forward for our country.

Obama/ Biden 2008

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:03 AM on 10/19/2008
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Socialism??? So is the federal health care you recieve as a US Senator.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:48 PM on 10/18/2008
- Whinger I'm a Fan of Whinger 48 fans permalink
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When McCain says Socialism he means Communism!

He's that dumb he doesn't know the difference between Social Security and Socialism!

I'm very rich, and I don't mind paying extra tax, I can afford to, but I would like to think that it was being spent for the good of fellow Americans and not squanderd on illegal invasions and wars or being spent to prop up some foreign dictatorship!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:56 PM on 10/18/2008
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I'm very rich, and I don't mind paying extra tax, I can afford to

So, send in a donation to the US Treasury. They will take it gladly. But don't look for a 'thank you' card.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:03 PM on 10/18/2008

McCain loves socialism when it means hand outs to the wealthy - who have already been richly taken care of by Bush / McCain and cronies through tax breaks we cannot afford, bailouts and outright corruption (Halliburton and giveaways to the oil companies.) The past eight years have de-stabilized the middle-class - and buried the poor. This nation is not sustainable without a stable middle class and we risk unrest if the poor cannot see a way out of their misfortune. Obama is a capitalist who will propose policies that will give the middle class the opportunity to send their kids to college, pay their mortgages - on the one home they are fortunate enough to live in and allow them to have employer paid health insurance without paying taxes on it! He will recognize that the poor among us are at least deserving of basic human dignity and services. We need that change.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:48 PM on 10/18/2008
- Bettysdad I'm a Fan of Bettysdad 59 fans permalink
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If not for Federal tax expenditures, both Arizona and Alaska would be pretty much inhabitable.

Both Republican candidates, and the states they're from, exist because of "socialist" tax programs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:47 PM on 10/18/2008
- whsmith I'm a Fan of whsmith 9 fans permalink

Obama wants tax rates for the wealthy to be set at the same level they were under RONALD REAGAN. Enough said. And McCain seems to have forgotten that he voted again the Bush tax cuts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYsKiA3Myyw

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:41 PM on 10/18/2008
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RONALD REAGAN had to deal with Tip O'Neil and a Democrat Congress. Not much tax breaking with that mob.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:47 PM on 10/18/2008
- Viper I'm a Fan of Viper 297 fans permalink

And you got the tax cuts you wanted under a Repug president and repug congress and turned a 350 Billion a year surplus into a trillion a year deficit. killed the stock market and devalued the dollar by half... and you want more of that!

Repugs now have 90% of the national debt under just 3 repug Presidents.

Regards

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:54 PM on 10/18/2008
- Viper I'm a Fan of Viper 297 fans permalink

And under a repug Congress and a Reug preesident, Mccain voted against the tax cut in 2003 saying it would mostly benefit the rich and run up the debt. He was right!

Regards

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:56 PM on 10/18/2008

First of all, McCain's wrong about it--and knows it--so he might want to remove his dirty feet from his mouth.

And second, the lemmings don't even know what socialism is...the GOP has completely distorted and lied about its principles (which, by the way, aren't something evil to destroy our economy. It's based on equality: equal opportunity, equal healthcare, free education, etc. Yep, their taxes are higher, but not as much as you'd think. There is far, far, far less poverty and disparity between incomes and much less crime. It may not be what we want for our country, but people need to learn about it before demonizing it).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:40 PM on 10/18/2008

If WE the people are buying up these BAD mortgages, then exactly HOW does that HELP US to secure a home of our own?

What a bunch of lies!

Who benefits from WE the people purchasing ALL THOSE VERY BAD LOANS?

- THE BANKS. Johnny's friends.

John claims that his plan will help steady the value of your homes.
HOW?
How will the purchasing of bad mortgages, in a tanking economy, with job losses at an all time Bush-McCain HIGH, and 2 Bush-McCain wars going on ... exactly HOW will Bush's econmic NON-PLAN, CHANGE BY THE DAY, GO WITH THE FLOW, erratic jumping bean strategy FIX our economic woes?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:38 PM on 10/18/2008
- Viper I'm a Fan of Viper 297 fans permalink

Buying upmortgages so you can then renogtiate them with the homowner is fine and is already in the bailout plan as an option.

Mccain however wants to buy them at fac value.. so the banks who did this.. dont have a loss at all. That is crazy and as about as sopcialized as you can get!

Regards

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:50 PM on 10/18/2008

SAY IT AIN"T SO "JOE" Wurzelbacher

1. You didn't even pay the taxes you owe.

2. Since you don't make $250,000 you never would have been taxed under Obama's plan

3. I have included your document just to remind you Joe.

4. Don't let the GOP use you again OK, we all know you are for McCain.

5. If you are smart you would ask Cindy McCain to pay off those back taxes. She's in no position to
refuse.

6. Did you beat your ex-wife?

http://apps.co.lucas.oh.us/onlinedockets/Docket.aspx?ST...

http://apps.co.lucas.oh.us/onlinedockets/Docket.aspx?ST...

http://apps.co.lucas.oh.us/onlinedockets/DocketDR.aspx?...

http://apps.co.lucas.oh.us/onlinedockets/DocketDR.aspx?...

They come up..but slowly...must be getting hit a lot now.

Just a question on last two links Joe.: Are fees for Battered Womens' Shelter Normal fees in divorce cases in Ohio?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:35 PM on 10/18/2008
- trucap I'm a Fan of trucap 3 fans permalink

I am too old to get marriad again.....but i don't know what my stand toward socialism would be if i was lucky enough to marry a woman with hundreds of millions in her backyards.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:35 PM on 10/18/2008

First let me say that I have alot of money and I'm a Democrat. I am rich.

That being said, I wouldnt mind paying more if I trusted the government with any kind of spending. The government is antiquated in its sytems for handling our money and is accountable to no one when they spend it. Many times millions is lost due to poor acccounting and frivilous spending. This is not the way.

Show me how my money will be spent, who is getting it and why, and maybe I will support giving it to the government. Accountabiltiy is not much to ask. Otherwise I will continue to give it to charity and fight higher taxes so these pinheads can't give it to interest goups that dont care about our country, only there own selfish goals.
Unfortunatley, Obama's tax policy is forcing me to look at McCain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:34 PM on 10/18/2008
- Viper I'm a Fan of Viper 297 fans permalink

And yet McBush policies devalued your dollar by half. Your stock investments in constant dollars are worth about 1/3. Thats a heck of a tax increase caused by borrowing money to pay for what turns out for most to be a small tax decrease! The reallity is you got the highest tax increase in history.. when you lose half of your networth.

Mccain's campaign is staffed with George Bush' staff and economic advisors... So you expect them to run the goivernement any better than in the last 8 years.

Obama returns those over 250K to Clinton era tax levels... so I guess you were also against Clinton?

Regards

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:44 PM on 10/18/2008
- Oregon Ivy I'm a Fan of Oregon Ivy 11 fans permalink

Since 1929, Republicans and Democrats have each controlled the presidency for nearly 40 years. So which party has been better for American pocketbooks and capitalism as a whole? Well, here’s an experiment: imagine that during these years you had to invest exclusively under either Democratic or Republican administrations. How would you have fared?


As of Friday, a $10,000 investment in the S.& P. stock market index* would have grown to $11,733 if invested under Republican presidents only, although that would be $51,211 if we exclude Herbert Hoover’s presidency during the Great Depression. Invested under Democratic presidents only, $10,000 would have grown to $300,671 at a compound rate of 8.9 percent over nearly 40 years.

Check out the chart broken down by president:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2008/10/14/opinion/20081014_OPCHART.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:54 PM on 10/18/2008
- Oregon Ivy I'm a Fan of Oregon Ivy 11 fans permalink

Since 1929, Republicans and Democrats have each controlled the presidency for nearly 40 years. So which party has been better for American pocketbooks and capitalism as a whole? Well, here’s an experiment: imagine that during these years you had to invest exclusively under either Democratic or Republican administrations. How would you have fared?

As of Friday, a $10,000 investment in the S.& P. stock market index* would have grown to $11,733 if invested under Republican presidents only, although that would be $51,211 if we exclude Herbert Hoover’s presidency during the Great Depression. Invested under Democratic presidents only, $10,000 would have grown to $300,671 at a compound rate of 8.9 percent over nearly 40 years.


http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2008/10/14/opinion/20081014_OPCHART.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:57 PM on 10/18/2008

I agree with you about accountability. All government agencies must be required to meet productivity and accountability measures. But you are just plain wrong when it comes to support for McCain. John McCain has been in Washington for 26 years and he is part of the problem. He has supported the economic policies and de-regulation that have resulted in our current financial crisis - the root of which is unfettered greed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:54 PM on 10/18/2008
- cuchulain I'm a Fan of cuchulain 54 fans permalink

So, you have no problem with McCain's love of war? He wanted to invade Iraq immediately after 9/11. Aside from the far far far more important loss of life, taxpayers are on the hook for a trillion dollars in Iraq so far. Is that okay with you?

Obama was/is against the invasion. Was before it began. If we had listened to him, taxpayers would have saved 1 trillion dollars and counting.

Bush cut taxes for the wealthy, and then invaded a non-threat. To fund this invasion, he borrowed that trillion from overseas. He's added 5 trillion in new debt for American taxpayers, and you want more of the same?

It took 42 presidents to ring up a debt of 5 trillion. It took just one, George W. Bush, to add 5 trillion more. McCain will probably set a new record for debt.

Strange how those who want lower taxes keep voting for Republicans who increase their debt load far more than Dems. They just hide that tax load from those voters, borrow trillions from overseas, and postpone the inevitable. Dems have a far better record of being fiscally responsible.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:55 PM on 10/18/2008
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