Freddie Mac Paid GOP Consulting Firm $2M To Kill Legislation

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PETE YOST | October 20, 2008 12:16 AM EST | AP

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Hollis McLoughlin, an executive of DCI, watches a Washington Capitals hockey game Saturday, Oct. 11, 2008, in Washington. Freddie Mac secretly paid DCI, a Washington-based Republican consulting firm, $2 million to kill legislation that would have regulated and trimmed the mortgage finance giant and its sister company, Fannie Mae, three years before the government took control to prevent their collapse. (AP Photo/Luis M. Alvarez)

WASHINGTON — Freddie Mac secretly paid a Republican consulting firm $2 million to kill legislation that would have regulated and trimmed the mortgage finance giant and its sister company, Fannie Mae, three years before the government took control to prevent their collapse.

In the cross hairs of the campaign carried out by DCI of Washington were Republican senators and a regulatory overhaul bill sponsored by Sen. Chuck Hagel, R-Neb. DCI's chief executive is Doug Goodyear, whom John McCain's campaign later hired to manage the GOP convention in September.

Freddie Mac's payments to DCI began shortly after the Senate Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs Committee sent Hagel's bill to the then GOP-run Senate on July 28, 2005. All GOP members of the committee supported it; all Democrats opposed it.

In the midst of DCI's yearlong effort, Hagel and 25 other Republican senators pleaded unsuccessfully with Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., to allow a vote.

"If effective regulatory reform legislation ... is not enacted this year, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system and the economy as a whole," the senators wrote in a letter that proved prescient.

Unknown to the senators, DCI was undermining support for the bill in a campaign targeting 17 Republican senators in 13 states, according to documents obtained by The Associated Press. The states and the senators targeted changed over time, but always stayed on the Republican side.

In the end, there was not enough Republican support for Hagel's bill to warrant bringing it up for a vote because Democrats also opposed it and the votes of some would be needed for passage. The measure died at the end of the 109th Congress.

McCain, R-Ariz., was not a target of the DCI campaign. He signed Hagel's letter and three weeks later signed on as a co-sponsor of the bill.

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By the time McCain did so, however, DCI's effort had gone on for nine months and was on its way toward killing the bill.

In recent days, McCain has said Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae were "one of the real catalysts, really the match that lit this fire" of the global credit crisis. McCain has accused Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama of taking advice from former executives of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and failing to see that the companies were heading for a meltdown.

McCain's campaign manager, Rick Davis, or his lobbying firm has taken more than $2 million from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac dating to 2000. In December, Freddie Mac contributed $250,000 to last month's GOP convention.

Obama has received $120,349 in political donations from employees of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae; McCain $21,550.

The Republican senators targeted by DCI began hearing from prominent constituents and financial contributors, all urging the defeat of Hagel's bill because it might harm the housing boom. The effort generated newspaper articles and radio and TV appearances by participants who spoke out against the measure.

Inside Freddie Mac headquarters in 2005, the few dozen people who knew what DCI was doing referred to the initiative as "the stealth lobbying campaign," according to three people familiar with the drive.

They spoke only on condition of anonymity, saying they fear retaliation if their names were disclosed.

Freddie Mac executive Hollis McLoughlin oversaw DCI's drive, according to the three people.

"Hollis's goal was not to have any Freddie Mac fingerprints on this project and DCI became the hidden hand behind the effort," one of the three people told the AP.

Before 2004, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were Democratic strongholds. After 2004, Republicans ran their political operations. McLoughlin, who joined Freddie Mac in 2004 as chief of staff, has given $32,250 to Republican candidates over the years, including $2,800 to McCain, and has given none to Democrats, according to the Center for Responsive Politics, a nonpartisan group that tracks money in politics.

On Friday night, Hagel's chief of staff, Mike Buttry, said Hagel's legislation "was the last best chance to bring greater oversight and tighter regulation to Freddie and Fannie, and they used every means they could to defeat Sen. Hagel's legislation every step of the way."

"It is outrageous that a congressionally chartered government-sponsored enterprise would lobby against a member of Congress's bill that would strengthen the regulation and oversight of that institution," Buttry said in a statement. "America has paid an extremely high price for the reckless, and possibly criminal, actions of the leadership at Freddie and Fannie."

Nine of the 17 targeted Republican senators did not sign Hagel's letter: Sens. Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, Christopher "Kit" Bond and Jim Talent of Missouri, Conrad Burns of Montana, Mike DeWine of Ohio, Lamar Alexander of Tennessee, Olympia Snowe of Maine, Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island and George Allen of Virginia. Aside from the nine, 20 other Republican senators did not sign Hagel's letter.

McConnell's office said members of leadership do not sign letters to the leader. McConnell was majority whip at the time.

Eight of the targeted senators did sign it: Sens. Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania, Mike Crapo of Idaho, Jim Bunning of Kentucky, Larry Craig of Idaho, John Ensign of Nevada, Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, George Voinovich of Ohio and David Vitter of Louisiana. Santorum, Crapo and Bunning were on the Senate Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs Committee and had voted in favor of sending the bill to the full Senate.

On Thursday, Freddie Mac acknowledged that the company "did retain DCI to provide public affairs support at the state and local level." On Friday, DCI issued a four-sentence statement saying it complied with all applicable federal and state laws and regulations in representing Freddie Mac. Neither Freddie Mac nor DCI would say how much Goodyear's consulting firm was paid.

Freddie Mac paid DCI $10,000 a month for each of the targeted states, so the more states, the more money for DCI, according to the three people familiar with the program. In addition, Freddie Mac paid DCI a group retainer of $40,000 a month plus $20,000 a month for each regional manager handling the project, the three people said.

Last month, the concerns of the 26 Republican senators who signed Hagel's bill became a reality when the government seized control of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae amid their near financial collapse. Federal prosecutors are investigating accounting, disclosure and corporate governance issues at both companies, which own or guarantee more than $5 trillion in mortgages, roughly equivalent to half of the national debt.

Freddie Mac was so pleased with DCI's work that it retained the firm for other jobs, finally cutting DCI loose last month after the government takeover, according to the three people familiar with the situation.

Freddie Mac's problems began when Hagel's legislation won approval from the Senate committee.

Democrats did not like the harshest provision, which would have given a new regulator a mandate to shrink Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae by forcing them to sell off part of their portfolios. That approach, the Democrats feared, would cut into the ability of low- and moderate-income families to buy houses.

The political backdrop to the debate "was like bizarre-o-world," said the second of three people familiar with the program. "The Republicans were pro-regulation and the Democrats were against it; it was upside down."

Sen. Richard Shelby, the committee chairman at the time, underscored that in a statement Wednesday, saying that with Democrats already on their side, it was not surprising that Freddie Mac and Freddie Mae went after Republicans. "Unfortunately," said Shelby, R-Ala., "efforts then to derail reform were successful."

In a sign of bad things to come, Freddie Mac was already having serious problems in 2005. Auditors had exposed massive accounting issues, so improved regulation was one obvious remedy.

Once Freddie Mac's in-house lobbyists failed to keep Hagel's bill bottled up in the committee, McLoughlin responded by secretly hiring DCI.

DCI never filed lobbying reports with Congress about what it was doing because the firm was relying on a long-recognized gap in the disclosure law.

Federal lobbying law only requires reporting and registration when there are contacts with a legislator or staff.

"To have it stealthy, not to let people know who is behind this, in my opinion is unethical," said James Thurber, director of the Center for Congressional and Presidential Studies at American University who long has taught courses about lobbying.

Goodyear is a longtime political consultant from Arizona who resigned from the Republican convention job this year after Newsweek magazine revealed he had lobbied for the repressive military junta of Myanmar.

McLoughlin, Freddie Mac's senior vice president for external relations, was assistant treasury secretary from 1989 through 1992 in the administration of President Bush's father. McLoughlin served as chief of staff to Sen. Nicholas Brady, R-N.J., in 1982 and to Rep. Millicent Fenwick, R-N.J., from 1975-79.

Seven of the 17 targeted Republican senators were in the midst of re-election campaigns in 2006, and according to one of the three people familiar with the program, Freddie Mac and DCI hoped those facing tough races would tell their Republican colleagues back in Washington that "we've got enough trouble; you're making it worse with Hagel's bill."

Five of the seven DCI targets who ran for re-election in 2006 lost, and Senate control switched to the Democrats.

A Freddie Mac e-mail on May 4, 2006 _ the day before Hagel's letter _ details the behind-the-scenes effort that Freddie Mac and DCI generated to hold down the number of Republicans signing Hagel's letter urging a full Senate vote. It said:

"What I'm asking is that DCI get a few of their key well-connected constituents from each state to call in to the DC office of their Republican senators and speak to the (legislative director) or (chief of staff) and urge them not to sign the letter. The following could be used as a short script."

The proposed script read: "We can all agree that Fannie's and Freddie's regulator should be strengthened but unfortunately, S.190 goes too far and could potentially have damaging effects on Georgia's _ example _ home buyers."

According to the third of the three people familiar with the program, "DCI was asked to help keep senators from signing; it was a big part of their effort that year and it was viewed as a success since many DCI targets did not sign the letter."

DCI's progress after the first four months of the campaign was spelled out in a 19-page document dated Dec. 12, 2005, and titled, "Freddie Mac Field Program State by State Summary Report."

A snippet of a senator-by-senator breakdown of the efforts says this about Maine's Snowe:

"Philip Harriman, former state senator, co-chair of Snowe's 2006 campaign, personal Snowe friend, major GOP donor and investment adviser, has written the senator a personal letter on this issue. Dick Morin, vice president Maine Association of Mortgage Brokers, has been in direct contact with Sen. Snowe's committee staff, has sent a letter to Snowe, and is pursuing a dozen(s) of letters from his members."

On Wednesday, Snowe's office issued a statement saying that she "literally gets hundreds of 'Dear Colleague' letters seeking support for their positions that she does not sign. Had this legislation come up for a vote in 2006, she certainly would have considered it on its merits _ as she does every vote. Just last July, she voted for the housing bill that established a new, stronger regulator."

Rosario Marin, a staunch McCain supporter who spoke at the GOP convention in September, was among the people DCI used in carrying out the campaign.

Marin, the U.S. treasurer during the first term of the Bush administration, went to Missouri and to Montana, Burns' state, where she spoke out against Hagel's bill.

At the time, Burns, who ended up losing his re-election bid, was caught up in a Washington influence peddling scandal centering on disgraced lobbyist Jack Abramoff.

Marin's visit triggered a local newspaper story in which the reporter contacted Burns' staff for comment. Burns' office told the newspaper the senator was not supportive of the latest version of Hagel's bill.

On Wednesday, Marin, now state consumer services secretary in California, issued a statement confirming that her trips to Missouri and Montana were in her capacity as a DCI consultant.

The December 2005 summary listing 17 Republican targets outlines the inroads DCI was making.

"On day one" of the effort, Sen. George Allen of Virginia had not addressed Hagel's bill and his legislative aide for housing was not assigned to it, the report said.

"Today," the report added, "the senator is aware of the issue and ... at the moment he is undecided." Allen's deputy chief of staff "has said that the senator will take into consideration before he decides that Freddie Mac is located in Virginia and is one of the largest Virginia employers."

"Grasstops/opinion leaders James Todd, president, the Peterson Companies wrote to both senators," the report added. "Milt Peterson, the founder and CEO of the company is one of Allen's major donors."

In the end, Allen, who lost his bid for re-election in 2006, did not sign Hagel's letter.

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On the Net:

DCI: http://www.dcigroup.com/

Freddie Mac: http://www.freddiemac.com/

Fannie Mae: http://www.fanniemae.com

WASHINGTON — Freddie Mac secretly paid a Republican consulting firm $2 million to kill legislation that would have regulated and trimmed the mortgage finance giant and its sister company, Fannie...
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- Viper I'm a Fan of Viper 319 fans permalink

Freddie and Fannie , held only 16% of the sub prime loans...

A problem yes... but not the match... and certainly not th bon fire.

And the Regulation was not so much about Reducing Fredie and Fannies exposure as it was reducing their size so that the rest of Wallstreet could get a better cut of this now VERY profitable mortgage backed security business they once wanted no part of.

True that would appear to reduce the governments exposure since it would not back non Freddie/Fannie mortgages.

But in the end the private side failed first, held more subprime... (5 times) and the Government has ended up under writting the Private sector Mortages (even befoe Freddie and fannie) as well and just not subprime since the forclosures have long since spread into no subprime loans. Most forclosures today are not subprime.. they were the first and that was last years news.

Note that by 2004, Repugs had taken control of Fannie/Freddie operations... and its lobbying arms (now working for McCain).

AIG's problems were not siubprime related.. they were credit swap insurance related. That was totally unregulated. Derivatives/hedge funds all unregulated and in the 1000 trillion range is todays problem.

Wallsreet paid out huge bonuses instead of retaining capital to offsett the leverage that dergulation by Gramm raised from 20 to 1 to 40 to one.


Regards

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 AM on 10/20/2008
- Carolab I'm a Fan of Carolab 447 fans permalink
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Yes, important distinction re: the amount of SUBprime in the Fannie-Freddie mix. Good summary. Thanks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 AM on 10/20/2008
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Bear in mind, HUD, run by a buddy of Bush, forced Fannie and Freddie to start buying exotic/predatory mortgages, and HUD also forced them to start counting them against their quota for quality subprime.

So of the F&F foreclosures, it would really be interesting to find out what percentage of them originated from the HUD edict.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 AM on 10/20/2008
- Carolab I'm a Fan of Carolab 447 fans permalink
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Allen Fishbein, who was Apgar's adviser at HUD and is now at the Consumer Federation of America, said the agency failed to use its regulatory power by refusing to credit Fannie and Freddie for loans that were "contrary to good lending practices."

"They chose not to put the brakes on this dangerous lending when they could have," Fishbein said.

Fostek said the agency had no practical way to comb through the tens of millions of individual loans contained in the subprime securities.

She said that Fannie and Freddie did not overwhelmingly rely on securities to meet the goals but added that she would not disclose the amount counted because it is considered proprietary.

Judith Kennedy, president of the National Association of Affordable Housing Lenders, said that while Fannie and Freddie nurtured unregulated subprime lenders, an estimated 30 percent of subprime borrowers could have qualified for safe, lower-cost prime loans.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/09/AR2008060902626_pf.html

So, whatever that number is, at least 30% of them didn't need to be subprime.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 AM on 10/20/2008
- Carolab I'm a Fan of Carolab 447 fans permalink
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Great story on HUD (and Cuomo):

Reporting from the GSEs to HUD "does not provide the details . . . [for] effective monitoring of their subprime activity," warned Allen Fishbein in a housing journal two years after the rules were published. Fishbein, who was the senior advisor at HUD for GSE oversight under Cuomo and is now general counsel at the Center for Community Change, said that HUD "should have the necessary information" to determine if the GSEs were purchasing "loans with predatory features," but that it did not.

In a Voice interview, Fishbein, who was reluctant to say a critical word about the regulations he and Cuomo developed, did acknowledge that "it would have been a beneficial thing" to have required such data from the GSEs in the 2000 rule-making, though he contended that HUD has "the general authority to collect it" without a rule-making.

Fishbein prefers to blame the lack of verification on the Bush administration, but when Cuomo issued his rules barely a week before the 2000 election, he failed to put any data demands in place that would have alerted the next administration, regardless of who it was, to any risks in the new GSE portfolio. In fact, Bush's HUD did institute some reporting requirements in 2004, but then never revealed much of what was learned.

http://www.villagevoice.com/2008-08-05/news/how-andrew-cuomo-gave-birth-to-the-crisis-at-fannie-mae-and-freddie-mac/1

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 AM on 10/20/2008
- Carolab I'm a Fan of Carolab 447 fans permalink
    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 AM on 10/20/2008
- dukeitout I'm a Fan of dukeitout 3 fans permalink

Sen. Hagel's bill would have reigned in Fannie and Freddie but was shelved. As the article states that originally " All GOP members of the committee supported it; all Democrats opposed it."The bill was killed finally by republican lobbyist DCI. Let's be fair---both republicans and democrats were responsible for it's demise. Hagel had it right. The republicans and democrats were the bad guys. It was a joint effort.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 AM on 10/20/2008
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Simply untrue. The Republican majority always has it within its power to compromise. The minority cannot really make the majority compromise. The house passed their version with broad bipartisan support. The same support for reform existed in the Senate.

Answer - the majority killed S-190. They knew they could compromise and have a bill, and they did not want a bill.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 AM on 10/20/2008
- dshwa I'm a Fan of dshwa 3 fans permalink

You missed why the dems were opposed to the bill. It wasn't the regulation, it was the attempt to use the one regulation as an excuse to squeeze Fannie and Freddie out of the market (to make more room for the private sector) that the dems opposed. They would have lined up behind the other stuff, which is the part that was needed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 AM on 10/20/2008
- MyTake I'm a Fan of MyTake 33 fans permalink
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The American government is corrupt!

Bush has bought land in Paraguay!

The wealth has been ripped out of America and is now held internationally!

Bush is now negotiating a international monetary policy that will weaken the U.S. further!

Obama will be handcuffed from the day he steps into office!

The catastrophe's that will be released on the Obama watch make this pale in comparison!

These Swedish people took to the streets recently to protest this globalization conspiracy: http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080920213952.glrpuxfc&show_article=1 .

Just when are the American's going to take to the street's and protest these massive crimes taking place in their country that is impacting the World?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 PM on 10/19/2008

We will when we can no longer afford our weekly mexican maids, forced to drive american cars, and our internet access is cut.


Want to see Americans go nuts? take down their internet access....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 AM on 10/20/2008
- Carolab I'm a Fan of Carolab 447 fans permalink
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Yes, when? WHEN???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 AM on 10/20/2008

Nov 4

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:17 AM on 10/20/2008
- mymomma2 I'm a Fan of mymomma2 3 fans permalink

GOP are such Liars!!!!!!!!!!!1111

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:46 PM on 10/19/2008
- BigSurf I'm a Fan of BigSurf 5 fans permalink

GOP must mean "guess our price"

Looks like two million was a good guess.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 PM on 10/19/2008
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Consider what Barney Franks is saying here:

Q.Was any particular regulator asleep at the wheel, allowing these problems to escalate?

A. "Alan Greenspan wasn't asleep, he was walking around saying no, no, no, no, no. He didn't forget not to regulate. He believed as a matter of fundamental ideological principle you shouldn't regulate." - Barney Frank

The Republican trolls have been euphorically blaming Barney Frank because of his quotes about being against certain Fannie and Freddie reforms.

The real problem was exotic/predatory subprime. The reason Barney Frank is so upset with Alan Greenspan is simple. He asked the man, many times, to act upon the Fed's authority to regulate mortgage lending, specifically exotic/predatory subprime.

Greenspan always refused. The authority to regulate was given to the Fed in 1994.

No act of congress was required to allow Greenspan to act.

When Bernanke became the chairman of the Fed, he had the Fed research exotic/predatory subprime, and he instituted guidelines in late 2006 which brought exotic subprime to a halt.

This was done before the Democrats took control of congress on 2-01-2007. It was done at the time McCain's s-190 was dying from Republican neglect in the Republican-led Senate.

It could have been done in 2002, 2003, 2004, etc.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 PM on 10/19/2008
- Carolab I'm a Fan of Carolab 447 fans permalink
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Oh, yes, How much clearer does it get? And not only Frank. There is a great video of Bernie Sanders (of course he's an independent but WAS a Democrat) RAILING at Greenspan about this!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 AM on 10/20/2008
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If you care about our veterans and this country of ours...

...Don't vote for John McCain.

McCain voted against our troops MANY times in the senate.

John McCain voted AGAINST 20 million dollars for veteran care facilities.

John McCain voted AGAINST $322 million for safety equipment for our troops in Iraq.

John McCain voted AGAINST $1 billion dollars in new equipment for the National Guard.

John McCain voted AGAINST Jim Webb's G.I. Bill.

John McCain voted AGAINST $430 million for veterans outpatient care.

Barack voted FOR all of these troop support initiatives.

They deserve better than McCain.

We deserve better than McCain.

SUPPORT OUR TROOPS AND VOTE FOR BARACK OBAMA FOR PRESIDENT

Obama VS. McCain: Who Should You Vote For?
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/matthewhencke/gG5tH5

If You Are Thinking About Voting For John McCain/Sarah Palin...
...First Ask Yourselves These Questions:
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/matthewhencke/gGxVK9

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 PM on 10/19/2008
- shockmagog I'm a Fan of shockmagog 139 fans permalink
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Freddie Mac and the Republicans sure weren't very forward looking. I guess planning ahead was not on the agenda. What did they think, that G.o.d would step in when the s.h.i.t hit the fan?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:03 PM on 10/19/2008
- Carolab I'm a Fan of Carolab 447 fans permalink
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No, they were just greedy and getting while the getting was good. And after all they had their buddies at the Fed and in Congress to protect Wall Street, didn't they?

This was ALL deliberate. Thom Hartmann has been going on for years about the deliberate trashing of the middle class. There is no better book on it than "Greenspan's Fraud". Read it. You will understand everything.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 AM on 10/20/2008
- Carolab I'm a Fan of Carolab 447 fans permalink
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Also read Naomi Klein's Shock Doctrine for an understanding of Miltonian economics and what wrath it has brought upon us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 AM on 10/20/2008

It doesn't matter since Democrats don't take these issues on pound on them the way Republicans would do in a campaign. Its unfortunate but Republicans are better at whittling things down to a "bumper sticker" type statement that people can easily absorb, us Democrats like to see facts and data and reasoned argument, which is fine for people who read a lot but most people don't read much of anything.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:00 PM on 10/19/2008

Guess the tr0lls can't blame Barney Frank and Chris Dodd anymore.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:59 PM on 10/19/2008
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Oh, a parrot never stops saying "Polly want a cracker."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 PM on 10/19/2008
- edgeways I'm a Fan of edgeways 4 fans permalink

oh, what a shock.... I am shocked, SHOCKED I tells ya!

Ummmm, not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:58 PM on 10/19/2008
- Leedox I'm a Fan of Leedox 4 fans permalink

Is this the October surprise? Well...it is October but this story doesn't come as a surprise to anyone so...maybe not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:55 PM on 10/19/2008
- MNmommy I'm a Fan of MNmommy 403 fans permalink
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This doesn't surprise anyone does it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 PM on 10/19/2008
- Chlowina I'm a Fan of Chlowina 23 fans permalink
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H*ll no

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:07 PM on 10/19/2008
- mattamorr I'm a Fan of mattamorr 3 fans permalink

Why am I not surprised? It's the same crook Republican suspects as always. The same crooks who will be pardoned by President Bush in the coming weeks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:44 PM on 10/19/2008

Now post my original thought...correctly calling McCain a liar on this one!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 PM on 10/19/2008
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