Joe The Plumber Tanks In Swing States

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First Posted: 10-20-08 01:23 PM   |   Updated: 11-20-08 05:12 AM

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Campaign aides to John McCain told the New York Times last week that "Joe the Plumber" would form the bedrock of their strategy for the rest of the race:

Mr. McCain's advisers said that in his speeches, television advertisements and mailings, he would seize on a remark Mr. Obama made in an encounter with an Ohio voter, Joe Wurzelbacher, who had pressed him to explain his support for a tax increase for upper-income filers. Mr. Obama responded by saying he wanted to "spread the wealth." Mr. McCain repeatedly invoked that encounter with the man, whom he called "Joe the Plumber," during the debate on Wednesday.

Has it worked? Not exactly. A Suffolk University poll of Ohio and Missouri finds that name recognition of "Joe the Plumber" is very high in both states -- but only a handful of voters said it made them more likely to vote for the Republican candidate. In Ohio, 68% of respondents had heard the Joe story. Six percent said it made them more likely to vote for McCain; four percent said it made them more likely to vote for Obama. In Missouri a whopping 80% knew of Joe. Eight percent were more likely to vote McCain as a result; 3 percent more likely to vote Obama. In both states, vast majorities said the plumber's story did not affect their decision at all. Meanwhile, Obama is leading McCain in Ohio and is nearly tied with him in Missouri. More from the poll:

With just over two weeks left before the presidential election, voters in the key state of Ohio are giving the Democratic ticket of Barack Obama and Joe Biden a 9-point lead (51 percent-42 percent) over the Republican ticket of John McCain and Sarah Palin, according to a poll released today by Suffolk University.


In Missouri, McCain led by 1 percent (45 percent to 44 percent) statewide. He also led the bellwether test of Platte County, Mo.

"If Ohio goes for Obama, it may be lights out for McCain," said David Paleologos, director of the Political Research Center at Suffolk University in Boston. "At least today, the probability of an Ohio win is supported by the high-single-digit lead in the statewide poll coupled with the Perry County bellwether, which showed Obama leading by 4 percent."

In 2008, Suffolk University bellwethers were 95 percent accurate in predicting straight-up winners in both Democratic and Republican primaries, and, when coupled with statewide Suffolk polls, were 100 percent accurate in predicting straight-up winners.

Campaign aides to John McCain told the New York Times last week that "Joe the Plumber" would form the bedrock of their strategy for the rest of the race: Mr. McCain's advisers said that in his speec...
Campaign aides to John McCain told the New York Times last week that "Joe the Plumber" would form the bedrock of their strategy for the rest of the race: Mr. McCain's advisers said that in his speec...
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- margardner I'm a Fan of margardner 10 fans permalink



Just look here! This tells you how much Joe tanked in the toilet. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/polls/

Now, if you take the "real" average Joe, the (non-rightwing talking head for McCain) he will tell you that Obama's tax plan will benefit him. It will also give him a tax credit when he opens up his small business. That he will receive a good healthcare plan and, be able to offer healthcare to his employees. McCain took this guy, used him as a political tool and stunt and it's failed! Just like all his other gimmicks**

All McCain has been is a gimmick!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 PM on 10/20/2008
- renatam I'm a Fan of renatam 86 fans permalink

John McCain needs to stop using stunts and props -- (Trig, Track, Sarah, Joe (the non-plumber plant), etc. as stand-ins for his non-Campaign -- and put himself forward, even if two people show up -- and MAKE HIS CASE.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 PM on 10/20/2008
- DaisyDooks I'm a Fan of DaisyDooks 30 fans permalink
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Exactly. His record and EXPERIENCE should speak for itself.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 PM on 10/20/2008
- Bitsko I'm a Fan of Bitsko 501 fans permalink
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The best part is that Joe wasn't really planning to buy the business in the first place.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 PM on 10/20/2008

On $40,000 with a $12,000 tax bill I'm sure he could NEVER have come up with the million dollars or more needed to get a business netting anywhere near the $250,000 mark.

Another McCain fantasy "football" star pick goes astray . . . .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 PM on 10/20/2008

Their are only two kinds of republican fools, and millionares
Joe's the fool and Johns the millionare

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:06 PM on 10/20/2008
- AurigaRa I'm a Fan of AurigaRa 27 fans permalink

boy you got that right!

I've always said, stupid or selfish or both

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 PM on 10/20/2008

exactly right, the super wealthy would vote republican if it was a moose and squirrel on the ticket, they dont care. the rest are ignorant and do not know any better. This is why Rethugicans are against the Dept of Education. Keep the electorate ignorant and they can stay in power.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 PM on 10/20/2008
- DaisyDooks I'm a Fan of DaisyDooks 30 fans permalink
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Oh, so that's the reality.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:33 PM on 10/20/2008
- noamjunior I'm a Fan of noamjunior 85 fans permalink

What about the millionaire fools?
It dont take no brains to have a rich daddy!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 PM on 10/20/2008
- pbfishtaco I'm a Fan of pbfishtaco 12 fans permalink
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He's plunging in the polls.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:06 PM on 10/20/2008
- MoeJava I'm a Fan of MoeJava 34 fans permalink
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If "bedrock" is their basis, then why not go back to a time before TV, when McCain was a mere lad.....
He and Fred Flintstone can tour the real Bedrock. Sarah can help groom the dinosaurs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:04 PM on 10/20/2008

Let's see, country nearing depression, 2 wars, unemployment, terrorism alive and well in the world, and a presidential candidate uses as the bedrock of his campaign a not really a plumber from Ohio.
I'd say that makes McCain about as foolish, clueless, idiotic as his running mate. Congratulations!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:53 PM on 10/20/2008

How many think as I do what a silly compaign Mccain is running. Hes like a guy running up a slippery road going like crazy and getting no where.Joe the plummer , what the hell is this race coming to.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 PM on 10/20/2008
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I've said it before. It's like he doesn't really want to win. Cindy doesn't want to win. Sarah's just eating up all of the attention and warm weather for a while. John is just happy to have all the adulation and attention for a while. Does his huge ego good. He just puffs up physically when people cheer. Not a president.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 PM on 10/20/2008

Vote for Joe ~ Joe the Senator!!! And ThatOne he's running with!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 PM on 10/20/2008
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The McCain campaign is in love with gimmickry. Instead of a well though out long term strategy, it's gimmick after gimmick. The American people have no patience for gimmicks now, they want a president with a comprehensive vision for the future.

A few of the failed "gimmicks" from the McCain Campaign:

Gas Tax
Celebrity
Sarah Palin
Mock outrage over Lipstick on p,ig comment
Suspending Campaign
Bill Ayers
Joe Sixpack
Hockey Mom
Joe the Plummer
Obama is a Socialist

It's like watching a particularly bad reality show.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 PM on 10/20/2008

Sooooo TRUE

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 PM on 10/20/2008
- hmmmmm I'm a Fan of hmmmmm 4 fans permalink

don't forget


the "commision" to investigate Wall ST.
He was for the bailout,
then against the bailout,
then for it again.

and my personal favorite
he was against the bush tax cuts, before he was for them, once calling them "foolish"

anybody remember when he was wooing the base, he pointed out proudly that he voted with BUsh 90% of the time.

oh, and lipstick on a pig controversy, when he himself used the expression over and over.

what a loser

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:24 PM on 10/20/2008

its the same failed strategy Hillary had. She kept changing and attacking. Obama has stayed on message and consistant for two years now. His competitors keep reinventing themselves.

McCain and Hillary felt entitled to be President, Obama wants to do something for the Nation, and President just happens to be the job that he can accomplish those things.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 PM on 10/20/2008
- DeeW I'm a Fan of DeeW 25 fans permalink

I cringe everytime I hear about this guy...good grief. It's almost to the point I feel sorry for McCain...but not quite.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:41 PM on 10/20/2008
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It's as if Barack kept saying the pig with lipstick line. It ain't workin' for ya, Bubba.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 PM on 10/20/2008

Not quite.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:55 AM on 10/21/2008
- DrFrescas I'm a Fan of DrFrescas 6 fans permalink

Shouldn't the title of the story be, "The story of Joe the Plumber goes down the toilet"?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:36 PM on 10/20/2008
- PaHairO I'm a Fan of PaHairO 6 fans permalink



exactly ... so many great plumbing analogies. Somebody needs an espresso ...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 PM on 10/20/2008
- AurigaRa I'm a Fan of AurigaRa 27 fans permalink

yeah!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 PM on 10/20/2008
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What's the saying? Put a million m,onkeys in a room with a million keyboards and sooner or later they will write Shakespeare?

Who knew that this was an analogy for the McCain campaign. All they need is more m,onkeys and more keyboards and maybe, just maybe, they will come up with a gimmick that actually works.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:33 PM on 10/20/2008

This whole Joe the plumber thing is such a sham. It only serves to show how completely out of touch the McCain people are if they think we believe for one minute that they give a rat's ass about the common man. The only "plumber" McCain has ever palled around with is G. Gordon Liddy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:33 PM on 10/20/2008
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For some inexplicable reason the McCain campaign has decided to ignore well thought out strategy in favor of gimmick after gimmick. They find a gimmick, their eyes light up in wonder, and they hope and pray that this time it will stick. It never does. The American people don't want gimmicks, they want a president with a comprehensive vision for the future that is diametrically different from Bush.

A few of the Gimmicks that have failed to date: Gas Tax, Sarah Palin, Celebrity, Lipstick on Pig mock outrage, Suspension of Campaign, Joe Sixpack, Hockey Mom, Bill Ayers, Joe the Plummer, and Socialism.

What's pray tell is next? It's like a reality show gone bad.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:26 PM on 10/20/2008
- bhshore I'm a Fan of bhshore 5 fans permalink
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Yo Yo check this out - Joe Da Plumber is a FEATURED G U E S T ON HANITY & COMBS - 2 NIGHT !!

Yo Yo check this out - Joe Da Plumber is a FEATURED G U E S T ON HANITY & COMBS - 2 NIGHT !!

Yo Yo check this out - Joe Da Plumber is a FEATURED G U E S T ON HANITY & COMBS - 2 NIGHT !!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:19 PM on 10/20/2008
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Yawn.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:26 PM on 10/20/2008
- AurigaRa I'm a Fan of AurigaRa 27 fans permalink

gotta wash my hair

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 PM on 10/20/2008
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sorry, busy

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 PM on 10/20/2008

I'd rather have root canal.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 PM on 10/20/2008

Joe looks and acts like a typical skinhead. Funny how he is labeled as an independent, yet he is registered Republican. Smells like a phony plant- gee, a little Rovian, don't ya think?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:07 PM on 10/20/2008
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He also opposes social security, owes back taxes, and compare Obama to Sammy Davis Jr. He's a right winger "pretending" to be an independent.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 PM on 10/20/2008
- RenoSage I'm a Fan of RenoSage 21 fans permalink

Joe the Plumber is no plumber. He is a fraud. Among other frauds perpetrated upon
Joe the Citizen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:03 PM on 10/20/2008
- Rictracee I'm a Fan of Rictracee 108 fans permalink
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yes he is registered as a republican.. and if he was a Rovian plant.. he was a DUMB PLANT.. it didn't work.. LOL..

this man will be a poster child for the "low information typical white man in rural america" .. A DUMMY.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:30 PM on 10/20/2008
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looks the part

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:30 PM on 10/20/2008
- TN I'm a Fan of TN 26 fans permalink

If 8%, of the 80% that they polled, new plumber boy and said it would cause them to vote mccain, then that is material.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:58 PM on 10/20/2008
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What it is is pathetic. I almost pity McCain for his inability to run an effective campaign.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:28 PM on 10/20/2008
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