A Child's Garden Of Anti-Gay Hipster YouTubes

Over at RADAR, Choire Sicha has collected a bounty of YouTube videos, all taking a position in favor of Proposition 8, which would roll back the recent gains for gay marriage in the state of California, and all featuring incoherent hipsters in an attempt to make legislating discrimination cool. "This. Is. Hilarious. And also sad," says Sicha.

Here's the best one, and by "best," I mean, "most filled with specious reasoning":

Sicha pushes back with a point-by-point fisking:

1. Says Gar Wai: "There's a whole bunch of consequences!" Churches could be forced to have same sex marriages! Right. Because gay people are just dying to get married in your ugly church that hates them. That's how they want to remember their wedding day.

2. Says "Daniel": "Legal defenses based on religious freedoms are less likely to succeed." Um, legal defenses such as... the right to keep gays out of the Boy Scouts? Too late!

3. Says "Suubi": "Religious adoption agencies" might have to give babies to gays! Or stop giving away babies altogether! Fine, they can keep their Catholic babies then, if it's so terrible to give them to gays.

4. Says "Geoff": "Those who oppose same sex marriage on religious ground wills be increasingly labeled as intolerant." HA, YES THEY WILL. Yes you are.

5. Says "Jennie Lynne": "If Prop 8 fails" children will be taught that marriages are all the same. Oh no!

6. "Barbara" agrees: Gays will have the "equal" of traditional marriages!

7. "Adam" who is a law student at UCLA, allegedly: "The change of the legal definition of marriage could narrow personal liberties -- and some of them are even lost!" Somehow he thinks photographers will be forced to photograph gay weddings and that doctors will be forced to do artificial insemination of lesbians. That's weird, because in America private business owners have the right to turn down any work they want, Adam, which probably they taught you in your first year at law school?

8. "Alissa": "It's really about gaining control, forcing all of us to give up the very foundation of speech and religious freedoms on which this country was founded." This is so fundamentally retarded that it's unclear what she's saying. Gay marriage impedes freedom of speech? Neither does it impinge on religious freedom. Your church is completely free not to marry gay people -- just as it's completely free to not ordain women priests!

It's awfully nice that gay marriage has a defender like Sicha, a writer who actually "knows" "things" and who "makes" "sense." But what opponents of Proposition 8 could really use, is maybe some sort of high-profile, "transformational" leader -- maybe a Presidential candidate, let's say! -- who's willing to come out against these anti-gay forces as well!

Comments

[juanjo]

"Adam" is probably flunking out of law school as we speak. In California it has been illegal for years to operate a business open to the public and refuse services to people on the basis of race, color, religion, national origin, gender or sexual orientation. It is called the Unruh Act.

The simple fact is that Prop 8 was always about the hatred that certain people feel towards gay men and women based upon some people's interpretation of some religious scripture. If it were any other group than gay people, this would have failed.

[lovethesinner]

Goebbles would have loved this. I wonder if they picked the number eight so it would sound like...

PROPOSITION HATE?

[MagisterLudi]

"Ja mein Kalifornians zis iz goink to happen… vezer you like it or not!" (pan to delirious rally crowd roaring in unison.)

This kind of statement Dr. Joseph would have been VERY proud of.

[LollieDotCom]

This is such BS. Please, gay people of California if they get their way, then stand together and refuse to pay equal taxes for less than equal rights....­. hit the idiots in their pocket books.... you'd be amazed how many people would rather let you marry than let you get a tax break for less than equal rights. What young brainwashed morons. How sad.

[mitchoz]

I have no children. I am glad I will be dead when these morons run the country.
I am a heterosexual, been to alot of heterosexual weddings,.­..... since gay marriage is legal in my state.. I have been to a few gay weddings and had the time of my life..... what fun.... they were all so happy to be allowed to be able to marry, none of them wanted the guests to bring gifts... because my friends are smart enough to know that freedom is a gift.

[hypnotoad72]

They raise good points.

Never mind that someone wanted to replace "civil union" with "marriage" and be intolerant of someone else. (does it not work both ways?)

I am bisexual. How much proof do you want?

I also support what most of the people in that advert have to say.

Especially when all this gibber shouldn't be in schools to begin with. Class uniforms, and sticking to education. Reading, writing, arithmetic -- not opinions and politics. No religions (the separation was devised for some pretty darn logical reasons, folks!), t-shirts spouting different moral ideas or rock concert t-shirts with vulgar slogans...

[TequilaMockingbird]

Hipsters? More like Ignorantsters ... I guess they would prefer Gay People to Shack up and Live in Sin like normal 'Christian' Couples..

As far as the other wretched crap offered by these Ignorantst­ers.. Logical Fallacies all of them..

I am sure many Churches would welcome Same Sex Marriages.­.... for the same stiff fees they charge other couples who are not Congregational members.. Most Couples chose the person who officiates at their ceremony and it is usually not the Pastor of the Church whose space they have rented..

There are many Adoption Agencies and Private Adoption lawyers who deal exclusively with Gay Couples.. I also have to say that Many Gay Couples, Including the ones I know, are the Couples who were open to adopting the Crack/Meth­/Heroin/Me­ntally Disabled/A­utistic/Mi­nority Kids that were deemed unfit for Adoption by the fine Christians who want these Children to live.. Just not in Their Christian Families..

Anyway so it goes.. If Business People want to lose Business based on their Personal Superstitions and Private Revulsion.­.. So Be it..Some Other Enterprising Person will seize the opportunit­ies...

But These Ignorantsters should always remember that their Personal Superstitions and Private Revulsion does not trump Anyone Else's Rights to Life, Liberty and The Pursuit of Happiness.­. and Lord Knows.. For Some Reason... These Poor Gay Fools think that Marriage Will Make Them Happy.. LOL

[janeinmia]

What a giant load of hateful hooey! And is "hipster" how the advertising agency described this group of losers? I'm afraid it is a sad misnomer and how I would really describe them is as a low-grade bunch of hateful bigots.

[marxichusetts]

to think of the tourism dollars the Commonwealth could bring in if you California suckers pass Prop Eight...

I was thinking white-belt hipster, but whatev...

[seachild]

funny thing: ALL THE GUYS IN THIS MESSAGE LOOK GAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!

[kellygrrrl]

No on 8 - from a devout Mormon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmaAyE9v5co

[DeanClash]

Join us.

Join who? jenny from Santa Monica? are you really from Santa Monica, jenny? or are you and all you tooly hipsters in this video actually paid actors? Sure seem like acting to me.

[creight]

Since when did "hipster" mean people hovering around the age of 30? These people have no "hipster" values at all. These non-hipsters are simply young and uninformed bigots. In fact, "hipsters" are rather apathetic to marriage in general, they being part of a growing demographic of people who eschew marriage in favor of partnerships either of opposite or same sexes. So... we should instead call these kids something like... fauxsters.­..or hatesters.­..or patriarchs­ters... or homophobst­ers...

[BlackJAC]

They're "hipsters" in the sense that they like the blue state lifestyle of Starbucks and Hollister and trendy nightclubs and surfing too much to relocate to Nebraska where they won't have to endure the sight of two guys exchanging wedding vows.

[kellygrrrl]

They would be quite comfy in Orange County, CA.

[thefooligan5]

Not to defend hipstaers or anything but these kids are not hipsters. Sure they are young and multi-racial but there nothing apparently ironic about their passionate hate for gays and their 'rights'

[LiquidJak]

Pffth. This is crap.
I'm from Canada, and when gay marriage was passed, this sort of junk was said to.
My dad is a pastor, and he can say no to marrying gay couples without fear of government reprisal.
Now, a civil servant was fired because he didn't want to marry a gay couple because he disagreed on religious grounds, and he tried to refer them to another who would. Bit of a grey area, but my opinion the government, and by extension, government employees can't pick and choose who to marry when its specifically their job to uphold the law. And besides, gay marriage boils down to a business arrangement in the eyes of the government, nothing more. Religion has nothing to do with how a government should view unions.
That being said, a priest in Alberta was taken to court by a gay couple who said he discriminated against them by not marrying them. I think they were waaaay out of line. He has the right on religious grounds to say he won't perform the ceremony. They can go else where. Separation of church and state dictates you can't force the pulpit to change its views, and vice versa.
The lawsuit was rightly was thrown out of court.

[dloitz]

THis is really wrong. Do your own research. Come on. No church is required to marry people now. it is a service not a right. come on. who believe that. Plus why would a gay couple want to get married in a church that believes they are sinners. All Men are created equal....t­hat is what it says.... not all Christians are created equal. Vote No on Prop 8. Rights to all.

Plus just for the record....­none of those people look like Hipsters..­..not all young people are hipsters.

[vincefango]

I know straight people that the church wouldn't marry because of a previous divorce...­.churches get to do what they want, plus they get our tax dollars. I say tax the church...t­hen they will have a right to have a organizational voice, otherwise they (and their concerned followers) should stick with the notion that freedom of religion means that you don't have to believe in what the church is selling to be a citizen of this country or to have moral fiber.

I mean COME ON...my mom's been married 3 times, my dad twice and myself once (but now divorced). Sanctity of marriage??­?...I GOT MARRIED IN VEGAS! This is discrimination with a smile plain and simple. Sometimes I feel the whole country is living in the backwoods.