Bi-Polar Disorder: Is The Presidential Race Really Tightening?

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First Posted: 10-21-08 06:11 PM   |   Updated: 11-21-08 05:12 AM

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Occasional blips in the polls during the closing weeks of the campaign have produced intermittent bursts of confidence among backers of John McCain and spurts of panic among Obama loyalists.

Take a gold standard: the rolling average of the nine or so most recent national polls calculated daily by RealClearPolitics. Obama's lead dropped from 8.2 points on October 14th to 5.7 on Tuesday, October 21st. If things continued that way until November 4, Obama's edge would shrink to a statistically meaningless 0.7 percent, and a coin flip could predict the presidency.

For those obsessives who follow daily tracking numbers, the emotional roller coaster can reach breakneck speeds. Over a four day period last week, from Wednesday, October 15, to Saturday, October 18, Rasmussen showed a steady decline in Obama's lead, dropping from 5.5 percent to 5.0 percent to 3.9 percent all the way to 2.7 percent.

For those of you who want to spend the next two weeks experiencing the ups and downs of every percentage point shift, a good list of the tracking polls and links to each of them can be found at the 538.com web site. Despite day-to-day fluctuations, the weight of evidence suggests, however, that Obama's lead is solid and it will be very difficult, if not impossible, for McCain to avoid defeat.

On the afternoon of October 21, one of the nation's most credible public polling organizations, the Pew Research Center released a national survey showing Obama ahead by a prohibitive 14 points, 52-38.

"Barack Obama's lead over John McCain has steadily increased since mid-September, when the race was essentially even. Shortly after the first presidential debate on Sept. 26, Obama moved to a 49% to 42% lead; that margin inched up to 50% to 40% in a poll taken just after the second debate. Currently, Obama enjoys his widest margin yet over McCain among registered voters, at 52% to 38%. When the sample of voters is narrowed to those most likely to vote, Obama leads by 54% to 39%," writes the Center's director, Andy Kohut.

"Obama's gains notwithstanding, a widespread loss of confidence in McCain appears to be the most significant factor in the race at this point, " Kohut continues. "Many more voters express doubts about McCain's judgment than about Obama's: 41% see McCain as 'having poor judgment,' while just 29% say that this trait describes Obama. Fewer voters also view McCain as inspiring than did so in mid-September (37% now, 43% then). By contrast, 71% of voters continue to think of Obama as inspiring."

Later in the day, the Wall Street Journal and NBC News released a poll showing Obama with a 10 point, 52-42, lead.

With voters' increased confidence in his ability to serve as commander in chief, as well as a majority who now believe he would do a good job as president, Barack Obama has opened up his biggest advantage over John McCain in the latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll. [...]
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Obama's current lead is also fueled by his strength among independent voters (topping McCain 49 to 37 percent), suburban voters (53 to 41), Catholics (50 to 44) and white women (49 to 45).

In early September, after the Republican National Convention, McCain was ahead with independents and Catholics, and narrowly trailed Obama among suburban voters.

Tom Mann of the Brookings Institution flatly declares that "McCain does not have a shot absent some cataclysmic event. National and battleground polls continue to show Obama in excellent shape." To back up his argument, Mann emailed the Huffington Post the following chart:

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Gary Jacobson, a political scientist at the University of California-San Diego, said, "McCain has a shot, but not, I think, without some exogenous shock (October or November surprise). Obama's resource and organizational advantages remain. I haven't notice much slippage yet in the key battleground states, although state level polls are even more erratic than national polls."

Gallup, which uses three different methods to measure the Obama-McCain contest, found as of 10/21 that Obama's lead was either growing or holding firm. In a model defining "likely voters" simply on the basis of their promised intentions, Obama holds a 10-point, 52-42, lead, up from four points, 50-46, on October 17. When likely voters are defined as those who say they are sure to vote and have a strong history of voting in the past, Obama leads 7-point, 51-44, a significant improvement on the 49-47 edge he had as recently as October 17. Obama's lead is largest, 11 points, 52-41, among all registered voters, and that margin has improved from 6 points, 49-43, on October 15.

For those Democrats still worried about the trends at RealClearPolitics (RCP), they can look forward to an upward tick for Obama as soon as Wednesday morning. Then, the site will add the 14-point Pew survey as well as one of the tracking polls now showing a 9 point Obama lead. Those two new polls will replace the two oldest surveys used by RealClearPolitics that had small Obama leads of 6 and 1 point, respectively.

The net effect will be that Obama's average on RCP will, in just a day, shoot up from a 5.7 point lead to an 8.1 point lead. Obama supporters will be able to put away, at least for now, their Rolaids, while McCainiacs will have to double their dosage of Wellbutrin, Paxil and Zoloft.

Occasional blips in the polls during the closing weeks of the campaign have produced intermittent bursts of confidence among backers of John McCain and spurts of panic among Obama loyalists. Take a g...
Occasional blips in the polls during the closing weeks of the campaign have produced intermittent bursts of confidence among backers of John McCain and spurts of panic among Obama loyalists. Take a g...
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I just Thank God for Palin.
If he had picked Romney, it would of been closer.

Please everyone make sure not matter WHAT THE LEAD is, we have
got to get OUT AND VOTE!

Our military is STRETCHED real thin, and these kids need a break.
Mc Cain IS NOT FOR THE MILITARY

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 PM on 10/21/2008
- classc 1 I'm a Fan of classc 1 7 fans permalink

That is so true. The GOP thought that they couldn't have a Mormon candidate...I bet they wish that they had Mittens on the ticket right about now!!! If Mittens were theGOP VP pick...it would have been a completely different ball-game.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 AM on 10/22/2008
- NTO08 I'm a Fan of NTO08 19 fans permalink

Repubs are going to do the tried and true methods that won them the White House twice in recent years all over again...preventing minorities from voting, and voter intimidation will be rampant...

Yet Obama's team better watch the intimidation of white voters by equating a vote for Mack as racist...it is nothing of the kind.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 AM on 10/22/2008
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This is why everyone who can needs to do early voting. That way, if you are challenged in any way, you have time to make it right. If you are challenged on the last day to vote, there isn't much you can do about it. If someone challenges your right to vote two weeks before the election, you can march right down to your Elections Department and make them make it right.

I really hope one of the first things Obama does is to ask for a Federal law that says all states must vote by mail. They can set strict standards for registering, as long as there is a way for people without driver's licenses and/or birth certificates to register. But, once you are registered, you can no longer be challenged. All you have to do is to make sure you put in a change of address if you move because ballots are not forwarded.

We've been voting by mail in Oregon for years. No problems and none of the drama that happens in other states where people have to worry about someone getting in your face and challenging your right tovote, or people hacking voting machines to switch the vote.

BTW, why have we never heard of a voting machine switching a vote from Republican to Democrat. Don't you find that odd? I sure do.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:16 AM on 10/22/2008

Just remember to get all your friends, text them if you have to and make sure everybody is on board to vote. Take them if they don't have a car. Or better yet take all your friends and family together and vote as early as you can! Vote as early as you can. If you have some kids have your family watch them for you! Remember Nov 4th is coming up soon. But don't wait till the last day! We can't take anything for granted! Lets show them that are Country is United!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 PM on 10/21/2008
- NTO08 I'm a Fan of NTO08 19 fans permalink

But don't wait till the last day!

This would apply in only 35 states...the rest of the nation knows that voting occurs on the day it is suppose to: November 4th...thank God for those states that don't do cockamamie early voting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:20 AM on 10/22/2008

I hope everyone on Obama's side, gets very scared that the election is tightening.
The GOP is working in the shadows, to kill turnout. We need every vote.
The last thing we need, are people like my Senator Schumer, who I saw on TV today, talking about Obama getting more than 300 EVs.
Be scared, PEOPLE... remember 2000, & 2004.
There'll be time to relax AFTER the election...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 PM on 10/21/2008

GA polls aren't including Barr - who is likely to take a bite out of McCain's total

Same with Montana and Paul - there are Ron paul signs all over nw Montana.

For once third party candidates may have a real impact on REPUBLICAN totals.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 PM on 10/21/2008
- TN I'm a Fan of TN 26 fans permalink

The impressive governor of Montana was on CNN and pretty much told Wolf the same thing. He thinks its a tie between O and M, and that barr has got about 5%. Very intelligent, likeable governor.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:14 PM on 10/21/2008
- furryone I'm a Fan of furryone 19 fans permalink
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let us pray! :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 PM on 10/21/2008
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I think Barr and other third party candidates are going to take a huge chunk out of McCain here in Georgia. The peach state may surprise people this year :-)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 AM on 10/22/2008
- NTO08 I'm a Fan of NTO08 19 fans permalink

I love the way the polls are leaving out third party candidates...Nader, in big states like NY or CA will chop 5% off of Obama's total easily, along with McKinney... in GA, ME, NH, ID, MT and the like, Barr will cut down Mack by 5%...add in the certain number of those who will not vote for Obama based on race, there goes another 3% off Obama's total...so all in all, there will be no 10% lead for Obama, as the idiotic NBC poll says today. It will be maybe a 3-5% lead...better if all those young voters manage to get their a--es to the polls...if not, and the evangelicals turn out en masse, watch out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:25 AM on 10/22/2008
- classc 1 I'm a Fan of classc 1 7 fans permalink

Who cares!!!! If Bush can get in while losing the popular vote and having 9 Supreme Court Justices elect him as the POTUS, I do not care if Obama wins by .5% or 1 electoral vote. It is ALL good!!! LOL

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 AM on 10/22/2008
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I love the circular irony of a story about 'obsessing over daily polls' that displays more polls while making predictions that play to the very obsessions that lead to poll watching, which, by the way is what drives people to this site to read articles about polls and ... uh ...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 PM on 10/21/2008
- NTO08 I'm a Fan of NTO08 19 fans permalink

Polls only matter to some here if they show Obama way ahead...they are dismissed if they say it is close...history has shown that it will be, and since the country has never elected a true liberal like Obama before, it will be quite astounding if he leads by 5%.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 AM on 10/22/2008

Early voted today ... it went very smoothly with no hang-ups - took about 15 minutes, even though there was a LARGE crowd (and people still pulling into the parking lot when I left). Had no trouble voting for Obama ... the machine did not malfunction ... and it gave me an opportunity to double check my vote before the ballot was cast. So here in Kansas ... things went just fine.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 PM on 10/21/2008
- furryone I'm a Fan of furryone 19 fans permalink
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the Midwest is the absolute BEST :)
I am from Omaha originally, but live in Illinois now...I early voted last week and had to wait in line for an hour...which was AWESOME! we have paper ballots, btw...so the line was extra long, but still!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:23 PM on 10/21/2008
- NTO08 I'm a Fan of NTO08 19 fans permalink

the Midwest is the absolute BEST...

I can do without tornadoes, thank you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 AM on 10/22/2008
- ObamAtomic I'm a Fan of ObamAtomic 139 fans permalink
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Yes,he's saying; they are where we want them?
Obama/Biden 08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:55 PM on 10/21/2008

I hate polls, and have no trust in them....call me a cynic, but after the 2000 and 2004 election.....I'll wait and pray on my knees for an Obama win

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 PM on 10/21/2008

We are all praying that Obama wins. He is a great smart man that will be a awesome President! Vote like there's no tomarrow!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:23 PM on 10/21/2008
- furryone I'm a Fan of furryone 19 fans permalink
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we should all do that regardless! may the spirits guide Barack and Joe to a win, and may this country HEAL ITSELF!
blessed be

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:25 PM on 10/21/2008
- NTO08 I'm a Fan of NTO08 19 fans permalink

Another wise person among the fools who sway with the tide of the idiot pollsters. You are right, 2000 and 2004 were only warm ups for this year...those Diebold machines haven't suddenly gotten perfect, and the methods Repubs used before to suppress voting aren't going to suddenly disappear for Obama...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 AM on 10/22/2008
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Obama's vision w/ a 1965 Voting Rights Act national radio commercial: Things ARE Changing

http://current.com/items/89434265_obama_2008_things_are_changing

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 PM on 10/21/2008
- NTO08 I'm a Fan of NTO08 19 fans permalink

I really find the amount of fantasy some of you live in to be downright scary...the Repubs are just revving up for some full-tilt Diebold fudging, voter caging, and contesting of ballots...you think ACORN is a false rap? The Justice Dept. has every intention of tossing out some 1.2 million votes cast for Obama...you watch!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 AM on 10/22/2008
- GuyFawkes I'm a Fan of GuyFawkes 28 fans permalink

Being a newbie to analyzing polls, it does seem to me that there are two truths:

1. Daily polls are more subject to volatility than the occasiona nationall polls.
2. The larger the sample size, the better Obama's numbers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:02 PM on 10/21/2008

The larger the sample size, the smaller the margin of error, and the more likely that the poll is predictive.

So if that is true, that larger sample sizes show Obama leading by a greater margin, then that is really good news!

Also, we have to remember that these are conducted on land lines. Young people don't tend to have land lines anymore.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 PM on 10/21/2008

Cellphone users are indeed mostly young and landline-less. Obama's lead over McCain in this group is around 2:1.

Check out http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/10/21/by_jon_cohen_and_jennifer.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 PM on 10/21/2008
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>The larger the sample size, the smaller the margin of error, and the more likely that the poll is predictive.

Only if you select your sample well and correct for deviations properly.
If you don't, the larger sample size can make you believe you have a solid result but it can be just wrong. Imagine you're doing a nationwide telephone poll with a huge number of samples but forget the cell phone only crowd, or doing it at a time when most people are at work and you get mostly retirees. Good poll but on a skewed base.
Polling is black magic, just like the weather forecast. On average things are going right, but every now and then you have an outlier. So, just looking at the average of all polls makes a lot of sense.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:56 PM on 10/21/2008
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Tightening? ... no, the word is Widening. LOL

Obama/Biden 08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:00 PM on 10/21/2008
- NTO08 I'm a Fan of NTO08 19 fans permalink

Caging, Diebold. Intimidation...it's all coming...and any hopes of a landslide need to be buried, FAST. Obama could have a million lawyers ready and set to go, it won't make an ounce of difference, guaranteed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 AM on 10/22/2008

It's obvious there is some disorder in the entire adminstration led by Bush. If the average American citizen pulled what this administration did, well by golly gee they'd lock them up in a rubber room somewhere now wouldn't they. In lieu of all this, it's best just to go here to get an idea of just how sociopathic they are:

http://www.ronnierayjenkins.com/topics/deathinappalachia/Empty_Chairs/

PS. Kleenex may be required.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:59 PM on 10/21/2008
- kmswriter I'm a Fan of kmswriter 25 fans permalink
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rkf jr say - on Rachel Maddow show.com - steal back vote - all voters need to vote early - vote - take nothing for granted..nm and FL are exact data info states -

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 PM on 10/21/2008

You know the old saying. "Vote early and vote often". Democrats, this is what we must do to win.
http://www.gocomics.com/features/279/feature_items/388207
This makes us much better than the Republicans, doesn't it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 PM on 10/21/2008

OK - very important. Voter suppression. There are ways to fight getting your vote counted. All you Colorado folks, please go to this link and note the Republican voter suppression. http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/27/142248/791.

When we win, these slimebags who have disenfranchised hundreds of thousands of voters need to go one place - federal prison after speedy and fair trials.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:53 PM on 10/21/2008
- mnyobpres I'm a Fan of mnyobpres 8 fans permalink

JOHN MCCain losing his mind... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLVSURlFoQs

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:50 PM on 10/21/2008
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