Dow sinks 514 on louder warnings of a recession

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ELLEN SIMON | October 22, 2008 09:06 PM EST | AP

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Trader Paul Maguire works on the floor of the New York Stock Exchange Wednesday, Oct. 22, 2008. (AP Photo/Richard Drew)

NEW YORK — Now what? After three days of relative calm, turbulence returned to Wall Street on Wednesday. Louder warnings of a deep recession and weak corporate earnings took the Dow Jones industrial average down 514 points amid fears that government intervention won't be enough to prevent global economies from faltering.

Previous dramatic drops _ two of them more than 700 points _ were followed by rebounds. If that doesn't happen this time, the Dow could slip closer to closing below the 8,000 mark, which hasn't happened since March 31, 2003.

Wednesday's sell-off came after poor earnings from large companies in disparate sectors _ Wachovia Corp., Boeing and Merck & Co. _ illustrated how wide the economic downturn has spread. One bright spot was McDonald's Corp., where third-quarter profits rose thanks to the strength of its low-priced meals.

Even with the aggressive steps the government has already taken, Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson told interviewer Charlie Rose on Tuesday that Americans would "have a number of difficult months ahead of us in terms of the real economy."

Since stocks began tumbling on Sept. 15, the Dow has plunged as low as 8,451.19, its close on Oct. 10. On Wednesday, it closed at 8,519.21.

Big rallies last Monday and Thursday were enough to send all the major indexes higher, giving Wall Street its best week since 2003. The Dow gained 4.75 percent for the week _ a gain that was erased in Wednesday's trading alone.

This week, the Dow had climbed 413 points Monday, then dropped 231 points Tuesday.

On Wednesday, most major indexes fell 5 percent or more, with the Standard & Poor's 500 down 6 percent. Oil prices hit lows last seen in June 2007, trading below $67 a barrel on worries about weakening demand.

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Stocks dropped across Asia and Europe, falling even harder in South America, where Brazil's Bovespa index and Argentina's Merval had losses near 10 percent. Argentina's president announced plans to nationalize private pension funds to protect retirees from the financial crisis.

Mutual funds, pension funds and individual investors lost $700 billion in Wednesday's trading. It was the fifth time since Sept. 29 that the broadest measure of U.S. stocks, the Dow Jones Wilshire 5,000, had lost more than 5 percent in a day. During the prior 25 years, it had only eight days that bad.

For the week, the Dow is up 3.76 percent, the Standard & Poor's 500 index is up 4.65 percent and the Nasdaq composite is down 5.58 percent.

World leaders will gather in Washington on Nov. 15 to discuss the meltdown. A senior administration official said Wednesday that the forum will be the first in a series of international meetings to discuss what economists predict could be a long and deep downturn.

For many U.S. companies, the damage has already begun.

Wachovia, which is being bought by Wells Fargo for about $14 billion in stock, said it lost $23.89 billion in the third quarter, down from earnings of $1.62 billion a year ago. Boeing reported its earnings slumped 38 percent as a strike halted production of commercial jets.

Merck & Co. said it will slash 7,200 jobs as part of a new restructuring program. The drugmaker's third-quarter profit plunged 28 percent, partly due to flat sales. Earnings also fell at paper company Kimberly-Clark Corp., insurer WellPoint Inc. and drug developer Wyeth.

"We are going into what is very clearly a recession mode," Blake Jorgensen, Yahoo's chief financial officer, said in a Tuesday interview. Yahoo is slashing 1,500 jobs while it prepares for a deep downturn likely to extend well into 2009.

"Right now we have 9 million Americans out of work. That's up from 6 million this time last year, and to every trader on the floor, to every trader upstairs, that's the most important number" because consumer spending makes up two-thirds of the economy, said Alan Valdes, vice president of trading firm Hillard and Lyons.

The official arbiter of recessions, the nonpartisan National Bureau of Economic Research, has not called the current downturn a recession.

Bad times have been good for McDonald's. Chief Executive Jim Skinner said that the company is "recession-resistant" and "operating from a position of strength."

McDonald's third-quarter profits rose 11 percent and same-store sales, or sales at stores open at least a year, were notably strong in the third quarter, rising 7.1 percent globally and almost 5 percent in the U.S.

Credit markets have showed some signs of a thaw. Yields on Treasury bills and the interest rates banks charge each other have both fallen back to late-September levels. Bank-to-bank lending rates fell sharply overnight.

The London Interbank Offered Rate, or Libor, on three-month loans in dollars fell to 3.54 percent from 3.83 percent, dropping for an eighth straight day. Libor is important because many mortgage and credit card rates are pegged to it and it's a good barometer of banks' willingness to lend.

Despite declining rates, the volume of loans remained weak.

"We're making slow progress and confidence is returning, but we're still not there yet," said Christopher Cordaro, chief investment officer at RegentAtlantic Capital LLC in Chatham, N.J.

Meanwhile, members of Congress are moving forward with efforts to overhaul the regulatory system. The changes could be the most sweeping since the 1930s, when Congress revamped how the financial system was regulated in response to the 1929 stock market crash and a wave of bank failures.

Democrats in Congress are also pushing efforts to assemble a second economic stimulus program that could total $150 billion or more. On Monday, Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke said a "significant" stimulus package is appropriate. The White House has yet to endorse the idea, but has said President Bush was at least willing to consider a second stimulus measure.

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Associated Press writers Tim Paradis, Madlen Read and Lauren Shepherd in New York, Michael Liedtke in San Francisco and Martin Crutsinger in Washington contributed to this report.

NEW YORK — Now what? After three days of relative calm, turbulence returned to Wall Street on Wednesday. Louder warnings of a deep recession and weak corporate earnings took the Dow Jones indust...
NEW YORK — Now what? After three days of relative calm, turbulence returned to Wall Street on Wednesday. Louder warnings of a deep recession and weak corporate earnings took the Dow Jones indust...
 
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To stabilize the economy the majority of the people must feel secure in their own lives. Without that foundation of a sense of security the economy will continue to collapse. The answer is not to pump money into the few percent at the top end of the economic spectrum. The answer is to provide for the majority, so that they feel secure in their lives. Providing a firm base for the majority, will allow the majority the security to buy, invest, and save. If Social Security were fully funded, individual retirement account contributions were backed by FDIC, people had healthcare, education, etc., the economy would stabilize and even begin to grow. Unfortunately, the greedy elites can only see their own security as the answer. Until real financial, life, and health security are provided for the many there will be no stopping this collapse. The greedy few probably won't realise this until it is too late and they will scratch their heads and wonder why their mountain of cash, piled high at the top, did not build a firm foundation. Without a firm foundation even the penthouse will collapse.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 PM on 10/22/2008

Bush will have left an economic hurricane which Obama will have to reveal to Americans once his people get the real facts in January....Bernanke & Paulson look absolutely frightened by what they see and hear....they know alot more than they are letting on to...Bush/Cheney will not cooperate with the new administration and make matters worse...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:22 PM on 10/22/2008

Let the socialistic high taxing begin...that's really help the economy...NOT!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:17 PM on 10/22/2008

Lets spend 10 billion dollars a month on Iraq...Lets bail out Wall Street with billions of dollars along with AIG....Oh thats not socialism...Lets raise trillions of dollars in our national debt... Thank the GOP administration for destroying our economy...and the worst administration in U.S. history...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 PM on 10/22/2008

It took 13 years of political wrangling by the Democrats to produce this mess based on providing affordable housing. The GOP had little to do with people buying over the means. Frank, Dodd, Johnson and Raines need to do some jail for generating this mess.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 PM on 10/22/2008

Expect more this in the future especially if Obama wins. Feels like the Carter era is back.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:12 PM on 10/22/2008
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This will be a major major recession. Homelessness and hunger have increased. Sadly people will die as a result.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 PM on 10/22/2008

This is what happens when people are stupid enough to vote republican.
republicans always bring death, destruction, and economic collapse.
Cause by ignorance and greed!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:52 PM on 10/22/2008

In China, powerful executives who lie, steal and harm the citizenry and their country are routinely arrested, tried for their crimes, convicted and occasionally hanged. Commonly, criminal Chinese CEO's rediscover their consciences when found guilty and publicly confess their evildoing for the sake of their everlasting souls or perhaps to save their shameful lives.Whether it is shoddy construction,lead paint in toys,tainted food or toxic milk for babies the Chinese hold high ranking,influential business leaders to account.What a concept.
The US never does.US corporations,CEO's and politicians are never convicted of any of the crimes they commit.For these priviledged Americans,anything goes,bend it until it breaks,and only the "little people" pay taxes are the golden rules.
Post script: If Sen. Stevens is found guilty of anything I'll send the entire membership of the League of Women Voters on a cruise of the stunningly beautiful Alaskan coastline.And finally, about the "finding" that Palin "abused her office"...what happened with that?Oh,right...nothing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:49 PM on 10/22/2008
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Well...get your checkbook out, mein freund. Looks like you'll be booking ALOOOOOOOOOOOOOT of cruise tickets to Alaska. Good luck with that.

And please cease talking about China, a place I've been to twice, and a place you seem to know little about. Convictions for American-style CEO skullduggery are few and far between, as the Communist Party shadow-runs a majority of the manufacturing enterprises in mainland China. The investigation process alone sends most crooked factory managers into suicide by hanging, not the CCP. What you are talking about here is almost impossible in China under their system, and only applicable to "Enlightened" western nations who's very financial infrastructure was built on greed and self-interest. Might I suggest some Social Sciences classes at your local community college?

Ummmmmmmm...and did you hear the news? Gov. Palin may face criminal charges after the election, as she was found by the Alaskan Senate to have abused her authority. Guess they "forgot" to cover that on FAUX NEWS?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 AM on 10/28/2008

Action? Injecting more money into a system that failed because of too much money? Great idea.

I am still waiting for some real measures that actually addresses the underlying problem. The US produces too little and consumes too much. And it does that at least since a decade by the way.

The debt the gov now rapidly incurs has to be paid back someday by higher taxes or spending cuts. More likely, the gov will try to inflate itself out of it. This will make it harder to finance any deficit in the future, as no foreign lender will be in the mood to lend at a low asking price (interest). How about a comparison to Argentina? And look where they are now.

Instead of a stimulus package for consumers, invest into infrastructure. Don't flood banks with more liquidity than they actually need to barely keep afloat, to encourage deleveraging. Seize control of the banks if necessary, if there is a danger of them being fleeced by leaving CEOs.

But most likely, there will not be the political will to break bad news to the voters, so only short-term solutions are sought. This will not solve the long term problem.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:42 PM on 10/22/2008
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Jim Cramer: "Obama is a Recession. McCain is a DEPRESSION!"

What will New York look like a year from now? The answer: bad and probably worse, and perhaps downright catastrophic. Three degrees of awful. The first step was passing the bank-bailout legislation. Now that it"s done"and if it didn"t get done we would have been looking at a guaranteed economic collapse"the critical issue will be presidential leadership. And while any president will be an improvement over the current one, there is a growing belief on Wall Street that Barack Obama has the capacity to lead us out of this wilderness while John McCain does not. I"ll go a step further: Obama is a recession. McCain is a depression.
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Every single Republican & GOP McBush candidate on the down ticket during this election cycle must be voted down or out of office.

"They (Republicans) have socialized risk. Using Taxpayer dollars to bail out a failing "Insurance" Conglomorate (AIG) & a Multitude of "Banks" that are classified as "Too Big To Fail"
Financial reward has always been associated with assumption of risk, but what the republicans have managed to do is divorce the two and in doing so they have managed to hold the rewards for themselves while transfering the risk to all of us.

$70 billion worth of pay deals planned for employees of failed banking firms receiving government aid.
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Kucinich_calls_for_probe_of_taxpayerfunded_1019.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:28 PM on 10/22/2008
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Paulson on Charlie Rose last night was talking about an International Banking entity and authority that is exactly what The Bilderberg Group is all about...

A One World Government run by International, extra National Bankers..!

David Rockefeller's plan for the world, the subjugation of all mankind..!

These are dangerous times, and this upcoming international conference Bush has called for could very easily see our rights sovereignty very freedom and independence bartered away by our bankers and a simple agreement we never had a voice in, or even our Legislative branch..the people's branch..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:17 PM on 10/22/2008

I'm always amazed at how dumb traders are. They genuinely seem to have a mental dysfunction thatimpairs their cognitive ability to understand the concept of time and chronology. Considering teh bulk of teh financial intervention steps occurred in September/October (bailout, buyback, etc) why are traders taken by surprise that steps taken in late september did nothing to help earnings for a quarter which finished September 1st and began Juy 1st?


As a liberal, I'm a big believer in the role of a strong, interventionist government and all, but even I can't imagine a scneario where government intervention in the last week of September/early October can somehow travel back in time and affect sales/earnings in July/August and the rest of September.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:17 PM on 10/22/2008
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Paulsen should not be making any new pronouncements. The damage done By Bushies is already
baked into the cake. Obama is the one who needs to start making pronouncements because the
Bushies want to cash out before Obama comes to power. Bush has no intention of a smooth
transition. This is going to be one of the ugliest transitions in U.S. history. Why? Because this is
the Bush/Cheney/Rove style of politics. For them it has never been about the people. It's always been
about stripping the New Deal down and bankrupting the country if necessary in order to do it.
The deficit and the value of the dollar will hamstring the Obama administration if Obama does not
stop Bush and Paulsen and associates from doing more damage.
Obama needs to get in front of Bush and announce a New New Deal before Bush causes even
more damage.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 PM on 10/22/2008


For what it's worth, I agree with you.

What's wrong with modeling some aspects of the next years on a New New Deal approach?

Senator Obama is already talking of creation of infrastructural jobs, of green energy development and jobs, of replacing foreign cars with greener cars made in America.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 PM on 10/22/2008

Here is the ultimate effect of the trickle down economy - Walmart & McDonalds are the new upscale places to shop and dine. At this rate, auto dealerships will soon be replaced by bicycle shops as major transportation outlets. At least that should help the balance of trade and improve health a bit. But what of those who have moved miles and miles from their jobs for that brand new mansion in the cornfields?

Those responsible for the fast track to economic implosion are hardly idiots. They seem to have managed to reap terrific rewards on the backs of all of those who conduct themselves responsibly by virtue of the corrupt system our administration has fostered and furthered.

Just how Republicans maintain any sort of plausible contention in the current election race is what appals me. Every time I see a Mccain/Palin or other Republican candidate sign on someone's lot, I marvel at the number of voters who continue to endorse the current state of affairs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:46 PM on 10/22/2008
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I am amazed at how far behind the curve Wall Street, Pundits, Administration official are. There is actually still language floated about everyday as to WHETHER OT NOT WE ARE HEADED TOWARDS RECESSION. Are these peoplpe from Mars? In the small biz world, we have all entered the twilight zone...that quiet nothingness when the bank account is empty and the phone does not ring....EVERY DAY.

I own a service company here in relatively safe Portland, OR. I have been in business over 18 years and have more than 20,000 regular customers in our database. We have NOT HAD A SINGLE CALL IN A WEEK! And biz is off more than 50% from Sept...more than70% from same time last year.

Our locally owned printing company who also has been in biz forever? I drove to their shop to drop off an order -- doors locked, equipment gone. I got the owner on his personal phone...total BK. Home foreclosed..the works.

My real estate friends are on the ropes, car sales have halted, brand new strip malls are emptying - their new tenants already out of business.

WE ARE NOT AT THE PRECIPICE....WE ARE TUMBLING THROUGH THE AIR THIS MOMENT.

While bureaucrats and candidates fiddle....ROME IS BURNING!!!

Why Bush/Rove/Cheney are not in Jail right now is beyond me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:28 PM on 10/22/2008
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