Greenspan denies blame for crisis, admits 'flaw'

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MARTIN CRUTSINGER and MARCY GORDON | October 23, 2008 11:48 PM EST | AP

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Former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan, left, and Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) Chairman Christopher Cox arrive on Capitol Hill in Washington, Thursday,Oct. 23, 2008, prior to the start of a House Oversight and Government Reform Committee hearing. (AP Photo/Lawrence Jackson)

WASHINGTON — Badgered by lawmakers, former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan denied the nation's economic crisis was his fault on Thursday but conceded the meltdown had revealed a flaw in a lifetime of economic thinking and left him in a "state of shocked disbelief."

Greenspan, who stepped down in 2006, called the banking and housing chaos a "once-in-a-century credit tsunami" that led to a breakdown in how the free market system functions. And he warned that things would get worse before they get better, with rising unemployment and no stabilization in housing prices for "many months."

Gloomy economic reports backed him up. New jobless claims soared to just under 500,000 for last week, and Goldman Sachs, Chrysler and Xerox all said they were cutting thousands more workers. On Wall Street, the Dow Jones industrials bounced erratically all day before finishing up 172 points _ after a two-day drop of nearly 750.

The financial crisis even prompted the Republican Greenspan, a staunch believer in free markets, to propose that government consider tougher regulations, including requiring financial firms that package mortgages into securities to keep a portion as a check on quality.

He said other regulatory changes should be considered, too, in such areas as fraud.

Also looking for solutions, another banking regulator told Congress the government was working on a loan-guarantee plan that could help many homeowners escape foreclosure as part of the $700 billion bailout legislation. That plan is being discussed by the Treasury Department and the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp., said FDIC Chairman Sheila Bair, who is pushing the idea.

Greenspan's interrogation by the House Oversight Committee was a far cry from his 18 1/2 years as Fed chairman, when he presided over the longest economic boom in the country's history. He was viewed as a free-market icon on Wall Street and held in respect bordering on awe by most members of Congress.

Not now. At an often contentious four-hour hearing, Greenspan, former Treasury Secretary John Snow and Securities and Exchange Commission Chairman Christopher Cox were repeatedly accused by Democrats on the committee of pursuing an anti-regulation agenda that set the stage for the biggest financial crisis in 70 years.

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"The list of regulatory mistakes and misjudgments is long," panel chairman Henry Waxman declared.

Greenspan, 82, acknowledged under questioning that he had made a "mistake" in believing that banks, operating in their own self-interest, would do what was necessary to protect their shareholders and institutions. Greenspan called that "a flaw in the model ... that defines how the world works."

He acknowledged that he had also been wrong in rejecting fears that the five-year housing boom was turning into an unsustainable speculative bubble that could harm the economy when it burst. Greenspan maintained during that period that home prices were unlikely to post a significant decline nationally because housing was a local market.

He said Thursday that he held to that belief because until the current housing slump there had never been such a significant decline in prices nationwide. He said the current financial crisis had "turned out to be much broader than anything that I could have imagined."

Greenspan's much-anticipated appearance before the House panel came as the Senate Banking Committee held its own hearing on what the government is doing now to get out of the mess.

Assistant Treasury Secretary Neel Kashkari, who is overseeing the $700 billion financial rescue effort that passed Congress on Oct. 3, said the administration was not only working to get federal purchases of bank stock started quickly but also the program to mop up troubled mortgage-related assets. He also said the government was working to make sure that directives in the legislation to help struggling homeowners avoid foreclosure were being addressed.

Kashkari said the plan could include setting standards that banks should follow for reworking mortgages to make them more affordable. He said the administration was considering a recommendation to provide government loan guarantees to cover the reworked mortgages to make the program more attractive to banks.

"We are passionate about doing everything we can to avoid preventable foreclosures," Kashkari told the committee.

The FDIC's Bair told the same Senate panel that the government needs to do more to help tens of thousands of people avoid foreclosure.

She said the FDIC was working "closely and creatively" with the Treasury Department to come up with a plan.

Greenspan was asked to defend a variety of actions he took as Federal Reserve chairman _ resisting recommendations to use the Fed's powers to crack down on subprime mortgages, for one. And opposing efforts to impose regulations on derivatives, the complex financial instruments that include credit default swaps, which have also figured prominently in the current crisis.

He said that outside of credit default swaps, the bulk of financial derivatives had not caused major problems. He said the boom in subprime lending occurred because of the huge demand for investment opportunities in a global economy, and he blamed the crash on a failure by investors to properly assess the risks from such mortgages, which went to borrowers with weak credit.

As for firms that package mortgages into securities, he said, "As much as I would prefer it otherwise, in this financial environment I see no choice but to require that all securitizers retain a meaningful part of the securities they issue."

On the billions of dollars of losses suffered by financial institutions because of their investments in subprime mortgages, Greenspan said he had been shocked by the failure of banking officials to protect their shareholders from their bad loan decisions.

"A critical pillar to market competition and free markets did break down," Greenspan said. "I still do not fully understand why it happened."

SEC Chairman Cox told the House panel that "somewhere in this terrible mess, laws were broken." And Snow said that lawmakers should have responded more quickly to his pleas for stronger regulation for mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which were taken over by the government last month.

In the meantime, Kashkari, the Treasury official overseeing the bailout program, said there has been much progress, resulting in "numerous signs of improvement in our markets and in the confidence in our financial institutions." Still, he cautioned, "the markets remain fragile."

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a once in a century tsunami.

excuse me maestro , the problem with this hundred year span was you were in it with your wrong ideas.

it didnt just happen because of the passage of time , you had a lot to do with it .

you are in shocked disbelief. others, thanks to you, are in a state of personal and corporate bankruptcy.

i dont think the give a damn what state you are in.

passing the blame wont cut it

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 PM on 10/23/2008
- Tom95134 I'm a Fan of Tom95134 53 fans permalink
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"What do you mean, economic crisis?" "I haven't lost any money." - Alan Greenspan

Why anyone should be asking this guy for any opinion is beyound me. He and his Republican supporters are one of the major reasons we're in this mess.

In the words of the Red Queen, "Off with his head!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 PM on 10/23/2008

The sage is dead. And everyone knows it but the sage himself.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 PM on 10/23/2008
- Rule Of Law I'm a Fan of Rule Of Law 146 fans permalink

I like my chicken--you know, the one in every pot that we'll all be fighting over--with a little Sage.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:35 PM on 10/23/2008

Geesh, he is a homely sucker...e­ver seen his wife. wow, what a culture

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 PM on 10/23/2008

It is unfortunate that Greenscam's head isn't sitting on a railing removed from the rest of his body like the picture looks like. His so-called economic/monetary 'wisdom' tossed to Bernanke has done untold damage, yet in 1966 he talked about gold as being the regulator of monetary policy. Snake...wi­th forked tongue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:46 PM on 10/23/2008

1966 - that's 41 years ago, and all blame rest on him ? And in between that 41 years, Greenspan ruled the economic/monetary world ALONE. You may have the wisdom of age, and 'am just nobody, but I can not believe that a single guy who premised gold as the regulator of monetary policy FORTY ONE YEARS AGO should summarily be blamed and take the fall for all "untold damage.

Greenspan owned his part. Thats a heavy burdened in his soul. That is, if he has one. Still, even at @ 26 and lacking your wisdom, 'am not naive to think Greenspan is the only REPTILE.

There are many SNAKES ..........­......... with forked tongue, even more so multiple taxonomy, about 2700-3000 of classification of SNAKES. And, if you don't mind my asking, what kind of SERPENT are you ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:02 PM on 10/23/2008
- Chavez08 I'm a Fan of Chavez08 58 fans permalink
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Greenspan is just flailing in the water, trying desperately to save his legacy from its earned place in the history books.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 PM on 10/23/2008
- bellabeach I'm a Fan of bellabeach 13 fans permalink

You are/were part of the problem Mr. Greenspan and I would think you would tell the American people you are sorry to have misled them!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 PM on 10/23/2008
- Nova16 I'm a Fan of Nova16 34 fans permalink

He wasn't interested in regulating the derivitives market because it would have an adverse impact on the economy when he was Fed chief, even though there were moves in the congress to do so. He was in support of Bush's failed economic policies and his wife was supporting Bush daily on her TV appearances. When Greenspan started to talk the market was up over 275 points and a about a half hour later it was down to 110. What ever happened to the curbs on extremes of buying/selling in the stock market which were in vogue during the Clinton administration, but were dropped when Bush came into office. This guy needs a course in ECon 101.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 PM on 10/23/2008
- Chavez08 I'm a Fan of Chavez08 58 fans permalink
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Why in the hell would anyone in the working-class with a lick of common sense commit to a **30 YEAR LOAN when the same bankers are still lobbying incessantly to eliminate the few remaining U.S. jobs?

HELL-LOOOO­OOOO!!!???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:22 PM on 10/23/2008
- flifishun I'm a Fan of flifishun 4 fans permalink

Thanks Mr. Obvious.
Bush awarded him the Presidential Medal of Freedom for what exactly?
I was about 16 when all the deregulation began. I knew then it would create huge problems.
People are too greedy to regulate themselves. It was intellecually dishonest to believe otherwise.
Greenspan puts the blame on overeager investors who did not properly take into account the threats that would be posed once home prices stopped surging upward. Um, you mean the market was too greedy to regulate itself? Mr. Greenspan you are a world class ASSHAT!
Now, where's my medal?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 PM on 10/23/2008
- FogBelter I'm a Fan of FogBelter 268 fans permalink
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Alan Greenspan should consider legally changing his name to "What Who Me?".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 PM on 10/23/2008
- biwee I'm a Fan of biwee 13 fans permalink

Greenspan and the FED caused the currrent financial debacle by taking interest rates too low, and leaving them there far too long. His easy monetary policies provided the easy capital for all the Wall St con artists to provide all the derivative scams that have left such a disaster.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 PM on 10/23/2008
- arvay I'm a Fan of arvay 140 fans permalink
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I'm not an economist, never even took an economics class, but let me see if I understand what this guy thought was OK.

First, you let banks give mortgages to people they and you know can't afford them. You let them lure these people in with misleading promises.

You, Mr. Fed chairman, keep money free or practically free, so the mortgages can be crafted with unsustainably low interest rates.

Then, you take all those ultimately unsupportable and uncollectible bad debts, and you let financial geniuses dice them into hundreds of thousands of pieces, none of which now can have an owner that's actually responsible for collecting the debt, and sell those thousands of bits to other financial institutions, who make billions by selling each other and various suckers all this unrecognizable paper. You call this debt confetti "derivativ­es."

I say Alan Greenspan is the Uriah Heep of the US economic system. What he did is no different than all those legendary hucksters who bottled up some alcohol, laudanum and cherry flavored water, and sold it as a miracle.

Of course, I'm no economics major. Anybody care to correct my analysis?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 PM on 10/23/2008
- TheVicar I'm a Fan of TheVicar 2 fans permalink

I'm not an economics major either, but the part about chopping the loans into bits is about "mortgage-backed securities". Technically, these are derivatives (in the same sense that, say, pork futures are derivatives) but the derivatives which are causing most of the harm are credit-related. It boils down to this:

Insurance has always basically been a bet -- for example, you bet the health insurance company that you will get sick. Originally, companies could bet that they were going to take a loss as a form of insurance, but with deregulation it became possible, in effect, for any company to bet on any other company. This led to self-described geniuses betting much more than their companies could afford on factors entirely outside their control or knowledge. These bets -- which amount to hundreds of trillions of dollars, and appear as assets on the balance sheets of many institutions -- are being revealed as essentially worthless because of the inability of the bettors to pay. Since nobody is sure who has "real" money anymore, credit has dried up.

If the entire crisis were just mortgage-backed securities, it would be much more limited in scope. (In fact, I wonder if the emphasis on mortgages is deliberate, to keep people from noticing that these financial geniuses were basically playing the ponies with company money.)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:39 PM on 10/23/2008

Had everyone ignored Greenspan's advice to deregulate, the economy would have grown at a more realistic rate and we would not be facing a calamity now. He and the rest of the voodoo economics deregulators, privatizers, do-it-on-the-cheap, deficit spending, globalizers have caused working people to waste trillions of hard earned dollars they put into 401(k)s, IRAs, etc., rather than getting defined benefit pensions, as their "investments", encouraged through tax-deferral, are now evaporating.

And the bailout gave a trillion dollars to the people and institutions who caused all of this to happen without reregulating, guaranteeing the market will stabilize briefly though much lower, go down again, and we'll have $1 trillion (or more) less to deal with the problem, and that's without counting the increased borrowing for the useless wars that are against the interests of the United States.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 AM on 10/23/2008

How convenient to have Paulson's underling whose name is cash and carry. What a farce!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 AM on 10/23/2008

The whole lot of them are gulity as sin, they knew this was all coming down......­...the "new world order" is coming, are you ready?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:07 PM on 10/23/2008
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