Wall Street Layoffs Could Surge Past 200,000

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JOE BEL BRUNO | October 23, 2008 03:34 PM EST | AP

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NEW YORK — Traders and investment bankers might have more to worry about than dwindling bonus pools this year as mass firings on Wall Street are set to hit a record.

The fallout from this year's global credit crisis has claimed jobs on all corners of Wall Street, from hedge fund managers to floor traders and beyond. More than 110,000 have lost their jobs so far this year, and some industry experts forecast it could come close to 200,000 before the year is over.

Even the financial industry's biggest name isn't immune. Goldman Sachs Group Inc., the world's biggest investment bank, made plans on Thursday to cut 3,200 positions from its staff of 32,000. Barclays Capital is in the midst of purging 3,000 jobs as part of its takeover of Lehman Brothers, and Bank of America Corp.'s acquisition of Merrill Lynch & Co. is sure to add thousands more.

Major U.S. financial companies are getting rid of redundancies caused by this year's rapid-fire consolidation. They are also adapting to an environment of more regulation, less risk, and dwindling profits.

"Wall Street the way we know it is frankly gone," said Dr. Michael Williams, dean of the graduate school of business at Touro College in New York. "This was inevitable because there's just not enough money out there to support the huge staffs these banks and investment banks had before."

Williams and other analysts believe this next wave of cutbacks will be the biggest the American financial industry has faced since massive bank failures in the 1930s. He believes up to 250,000 financial workers _ perhaps even more _ could find themselves out of work by the second quarter of next year.

U.S. financial services companies have cut 111,201 positions through September, on top of 153,105 made last year, according to Chicago-based outplacement firm Challenger, Gray & Christmas. The Securities Industry and Financial Markets Association said there are currently 867,400 people employed by their members that include securities firms, brokerages, stock exchanges, and banks.

John Challenger, chief executive of Challenger, Gray & Christmas, said layoffs will surge in the next few months as companies begin to position themselves for 2009. In addition, cutting employees before the year's end in some cases eliminates hefty bonus payments.

"There's been heavy layoffs already, but until you see events start to slow down, we're not out of the woods," he said. "These companies, even the very best of them like Goldman, are subject to the conditions of much lower activity and much less revenue."

For the two surviving stand-alone investment banks, Golman Sachs and Morgan Stanley, the business environment might slow as they reshape themselves into companies that more closely resemble retail banks. That means they'll be more regulated, with greater limits on their ability to take risk.

There also remains uncertainty about how many banks might fail, even with the government's various bailouts. Banks that have heavy exposure to toxic mortgage investments and other risky bets might collapse or be acquired by healthier banks, in the next year.

Washington Mutual Corp., the Washington-based thrift, is in the process of unloading its retail branches to JPMorgan Chase & Co., and Wachovia Corp. is selling its retail network to Wells Fargo & Co. The number of jobs lost is still unknown from those transactions.

BofA's acquisition of Merrill Lynch could result in thousands of lost jobs, especially in areas like technology, operations and finance. Both sides are still attempting to map out where the cuts will come from, and there were reports this week that Merrill had already sent pink slips to 500 or more traders in New York.

A spokeswoman for Merrill declined to comment.

NEW YORK — Traders and investment bankers might have more to worry about than dwindling bonus pools this year as mass firings on Wall Street are set to hit a record. The fallout from this year'...
NEW YORK — Traders and investment bankers might have more to worry about than dwindling bonus pools this year as mass firings on Wall Street are set to hit a record. The fallout from this year'...
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200,000 is on the low side me thinks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:58 AM on 10/25/2008

Indeed...we're about to see real "trickle down" economics at work.
Restaurants, retail clothing and cab companies are already feeling the pinch.

Good to see you back, MrC...the "Tinfoil Brigade" just isn't the same without you. 8-] EB

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:28 PM on 10/25/2008

A whole new era is coming in. We will see less of the excessive wealth I hope. While jobs and lifestyle are going to change dramatically. Palins shopping spree boosted the high end clothing stores for a few months. Going into macys now they work commission mostly a middle priced stores they are allmost openly fighting for your business. I shopped high end furniture stores with family to help select styles and colors. The designers helping you very well but we where the only people in most of those large stores.

I have never gone to a target without waiting to check out but you can today here in metro detroit. I notice best buy and circuit city with very few cars? This is a rippling effect throughout our economy. Many dont realize that the big three is the core of our industrail economy? Im shopping dollar stores to and I cant buy consumer goods that I have been buying all my life.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 PM on 10/24/2008
- boing007 I'm a Fan of boing007 9 fans permalink

This is very good news. A cleaner, leaner Wall Street will be easier to monitor.

Weren't we promised cleaner and meaner already?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 AM on 10/24/2008
- boing007 I'm a Fan of boing007 9 fans permalink

Golden Parachutes for those at the top, pink slips for those near the bottom.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:33 AM on 10/24/2008

Great, now maybe i can get some free investment advice when I visit my Home Depot..cause that's where they will all be working..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:55 AM on 10/24/2008
- francoise I'm a Fan of francoise 18 fans permalink

I don't really understand the anger here.

I get it that people want revenge for the decrease in their buying power.

However these workers in Wall Street are not the ones responsible of the crisis.

The crisis is due to the transformation of loans into bonds and complex financial packages, which price is not related to the real value of the loans.

The traders were hired to buy and sell this crap. They were not the ones who made the laws to allow the lenders to turn their loans into bonds. They were not the ones who corrupted agencies to give AAA grades to crappy bonds.

And those who made the laws and who gave the AAA grades, unfortunately, don't seem to have lost money or jobs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:41 AM on 10/24/2008

The big problem with all these layoffs is that these people supported a lot of smaller businesses like mine with their buying. I have never in 25 years of business, seen it this slow this time of year. It's likely I will have to get a night job to survive this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 PM on 10/25/2008
- francoise I'm a Fan of francoise 18 fans permalink

arteria,

I'm really sorry for your business. I think that revenge is a useless feeling using too much energy that could be more useful elsewhere, which is why I'm never rejoicing when some economic area is stricken. Usually everyone around is also stricken. As you are.

I hope you can hold on during these hard months, it should get better. If you're in retail, it shouldn't last too long, because the prices in retail aren't very important amounts of money. Buying a jumper or a meal doesn't cost as much as buying a car or a house. So you should be one of those who see their business back to work sooner than the real estate dealers.

If that is of any support to you, you're not alone. And I empathize, and all the more that I've been running a little business for the last 25 years too, and it's also slow here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:30 PM on 10/27/2008
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Hope those people banked some cash while they were making it hand over fist!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:24 AM on 10/24/2008
- Chicago48 I'm a Fan of Chicago48 10 fans permalink

I wish to hell I could make $100K a year...oh God please....I know I've made that much and more in my 40 years of working, but I've never seen more than $40K in my lifetime. And I have two degrees! Now maybe I didn't rub elbows with the right people. Maybe I don't look "right".....but those people who make over $100K consider yourself blessed because if this report is true, then you'll be joining me in my $40K job.

Now if the Govt would make it possible for us seniors to work full time past the age of 62 AND drawn our full or 3/4 social security w/o penalty....that would be sweetness.....but I'll be joining my fellow seniors who won't quit working full time, will draw their SS when they turn 65 and continue working.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:33 AM on 10/24/2008
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Hey everyone, let's not indulge in schadenfreude. We might all be there soon.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:35 AM on 10/24/2008
- Tropiholic I'm a Fan of Tropiholic 20 fans permalink

we're already there! no jobs, investments worth nothing, house price declining, they should feel the squeeze too

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 AM on 10/24/2008

200,000.....guess karma is a funny thing when one lets greed, avrice rule ones life! I guess I cannot find much sympathy for anyone on wall street, guess they can find them a job in one of those low paying fast food jobs thier brethren in the republican party so often brag on they help those on welfare get into helping them off the dole...., funny how a good ole 2nd great depression, economic collapse is making a social class equalizer of being unemployed, in a unemployment line, application line for welfare, food stamps, section 8 housing! If we do have this much feared, predicted 2nd great depression and I feel it is coming, since gasoline in my area has dropped to $2.65 a gallon and many are in glee but I see something more ominous here, when the Oil Barons are having trouble selling off their oil stocks/gasoline they have to resort to something they could have done all along is lower gasoline prices, its a sign people are buying less, businesses are buying less not just in USA but world wide! $2.65 is cheaper than $4.00 but when does not have a job, has lost ones home to foreclosure, one is not doing much luxury travel, might be walking or using a bike!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:01 AM on 10/24/2008
- likeicare I'm a Fan of likeicare 8 fans permalink

Welcome to the world the Neocon(victs) created.

Now, go to the end of the unemployment line.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:56 AM on 10/24/2008

We can expect a loss of about half million jobs alone in the financial institutions by the end of next year. Where is there any planning on the part of our government to find jobs for the millions of unemployed citizens coming towards like refugees from a terrible war?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:43 AM on 10/24/2008

Not only them, but also people like myself, who are about to graduate with a finance degree and were planning to enter the financial world. Now, recruiters are cancelling all their trips to college campus and jobs are no where to be found. I've dreamed of working on Wall Street since I was a kid, but now I'm going to have to make a personal decision of a backup plan. I'm really disgusted with how this has spiraled out of control.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:20 AM on 10/24/2008
- francoise I'm a Fan of francoise 18 fans permalink

paidinfull23,

Just 6 months ago in France, students with a Master in finance from an average school were offered jobs during their last year, and these jobs were at least 100 000 euros per year.

Now they have to look for jobs and go through many interviews, and they hope to find a job paying 40 000 euros per year.

It's bleak all around the world for beginners because all the experienced ones who've been fired are competing for the remaining jobs.

I hope you can find something not too bad soon. As for my daughter who've been through an American management school and got out with an international bachelor, she was planning to go on with studying finance. Now she's currently in a pastry school to learn how to make bread and pastries, hoping people will still have money for sweet cheap cakes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:33 AM on 10/24/2008
- wwoody I'm a Fan of wwoody 15 fans permalink
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This financial Tsunami is going to hit around the world, and no one won't be left standing. They say this is a recession,but those without jobs its a depression. I'm still wondering how wall street going to react to the news that so many people are losing their jobs( 200,000 or more), that not all folks, the most hurtful part of the situation is the shoe is still falling, it hasn't fail yet. what if the Chinese call in our loan, or buy up our outstanding debt, or make us an offer, that we just can't refuse ???? well once you start lay down with dogs, you're going to come up with fleas , Believe me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:19 AM on 10/24/2008
- likeicare I'm a Fan of likeicare 8 fans permalink

The other shoe is the commercial real estate market. The defaults on those, are going to be tremendous.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:58 AM on 10/24/2008

Someone toell me why I am supposed to care?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:52 AM on 10/24/2008
- wwoody I'm a Fan of wwoody 15 fans permalink
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The sky is really falling.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:41 AM on 10/24/2008
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DO NOT feel sorry for these imbeciles. These people knew EXACTLY what they were doing. I actually want a nuclear meltdown. These people will not change their views until they truly hurt like the average American. Let them bang their head against the wall until they realize it hurts and finally stop. Unfortunately, greed and avarice will always win out in this industry. It's up to us as a people to keep this at a minimum.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:28 AM on 10/24/2008
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