American Doctors Regularly Issue Placebos, Survey Says

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MARIA CHENG | October 23, 2008 09:11 PM EST | AP

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LONDON — About half of American doctors in a new survey say they regularly give patients placebo treatments _ usually drugs or vitamins that won't really help their condition. And many of these doctors are not honest with their patients about what they are doing, the survey found.

That contradicts advice from the American Medical Association, which recommends doctors use treatments with the full knowledge of their patients.

"It's a disturbing finding," said Franklin G. Miller, director of the research ethics program at the U.S. National Institutes Health and one of the study authors. "There is an element of deception here which is contrary to the principle of informed consent."

The study was being published online in Friday's issue of BMJ, formerly the British Medical Journal.

Placebos as defined in the survey went beyond the typical sugar pill commonly used in medical studies. A placebo was any treatment that wouldn't necessarily help the patient.

Scientists have long known of the "placebo effect," in which patients given a fake or ineffective treatment often improve anyway, simply because they expected to get better.

"Doctors may be under a lot of pressure to help their patients, but this is not an acceptable shortcut," said Irving Kirsch, a professor of psychology at the University of Hull in Britain who has studied the use of placebos.

Researchers at the NIH sent surveys to a random sample of 1,200 internists and rheumatologists _ doctors who treat arthritis and other joint problems. They received 679 responses. Of those doctors, 62 percent believed that using a placebo treatment was ethically acceptable.

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Half the doctors reported using placebos several times a month, nearly 70 percent of those described the treatment to their patients as "a potentially beneficial medicine not typically used for your condition." Only 5 percent of doctors explicitly called it a placebo treatment.

Most doctors used actual medicines as a placebo treatment: 41 percent used painkillers, 38 percent used vitamins, 13 percent used antibiotics, 13 percent used sedatives, 3 percent used saline injections, and 2 percent used sugar pills.

In the survey, doctors were asked if they would recommend a sugar pill for patients with chronic pain if it had been shown to be more effective than no treatment. Nearly 60 percent said they would.

Smaller studies done elsewhere, including Britain, Denmark and Sweden, have found similar results.

Jon Tilburt, the lead author of the U.S. study, who is with NIH's bioethics department, said he believes the doctors surveyed were representative of internists and rheumatologists across the U.S. No statistical work was done to establish whether the survey results would apply to other medical specialists, such as pediatricians or surgeons.

The research was paid for by NIH's bioethics department and the National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine.

The authors said most doctors probably reasoned that doing something was better than doing nothing.

In some cases, placebos were given to patients with conditions such as chronic fatigue syndrome. Doctors also gave antibiotics to patients with viral bronchitis, knowing full well that a virus is impervious to antibiotics, which fight bacteria. Experts believe overuse of antibiotics promotes the development of drug-resistant strains of bacteria.

Some doctors believe placebos are a good treatment in certain situations, as long as patients are told what they are being given. Dr. Walter Brown, a professor of psychiatry at Brown and Tufts universities, said people with insomnia, depression or high blood pressure often respond well to placebo treatments.

"You could tell those patients that this is something that doesn't have any medicine in it but has been shown to work in people with your condition," he suggested.

However, experts don't know if the placebo effect would be undermined if patients were explicitly told they were getting a dummy pill.

Brown said that while he hasn't prescribed sugar pills, he has given people with anxiety problems pills that had extremely low doses of medication. "The dose was so low that whatever effect the patients were getting was probably a placebo effect," he said.

Kirsch, the psychologist, said it might be possible to get the psychological impact without using a fake pill. "If doctors just spent more time with their patients so they felt more reassured, that might help," he said.

Some patients who had just seen their doctors at a clinic in London said the truth was paramount.

"I would feel very cheated if I was given a placebo," said Ruth Schachter, an 86-year-old Londoner with skin cancer. "I like to have my eyes wide open, even if it's bad news," she said. "If I'm given something without being warned what it is, I certainly would not trust the doctor again."

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Am I going mad?

"Experts don't know if the placebo effect would be undermined if patients were explicitly told they were getting a dummy pill"?? Oh, really? Let me fill them in: why, yes--it would be undermined. The whole point of placebos is that the patient doesn't know they're getting one. If they know they are, they're not.

To define the placebo effect as "patients given a fake or ineffective treatment" is just plain wrong. Excluding double-blind medical tests, a placebo is a real treatment, and is often (or sometimes) effective. The fact that it isn't a biochemical agent doesn't mean it's fake, or ineffective.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:18 PM on 10/25/2008

I believe 90% of these comments are off base. I've read about the placebo-effect and the article above touches lightly on the intracacies of placebo use. Most here are responding to their own idea of a placebo. I'm guessing that the study mentioned is far more precise and interesting.
The placebo-effect does not only occur for mental conditions or those without a cure. Take 20 people with a bacterial infection: give 10 no treatment and 10 a placebo; those getting the placebo will fare better. Yes, an antibiotic may be even more effective but that does not mean that the placebo had no effect, just that in this case there is something more effective.
Drug tests compare a drug to a placebo and not to no treatment at all. Drugs that are effective, but no more effective than a placebo, are not approved in the US. The current policy is to allow neither the drug nor the placebo--both of which may be the most effective treatment known.
The interworkings of the body are far more complex than we have current models for, and the placebo-or­-no-placeb­o debate is not simple. Rereading the article above, I don't think that the lack of universal medical treatment in the US has really any bearing on this issue. To those confused as to what constitutes a placebo and why the current policy of the AMA is to prohibit the use of placebos: Go out and have a good google.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:48 PM on 10/25/2008
- jmpfjoy I'm a Fan of jmpfjoy 12 fans permalink
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I see a lot of complaining in this post about Drs treatment of their patients.

Here's the bottom line- you do have a choice. If your doc is condescending, arrogant, doesn't listen, and doesn't dispense good information and healthy advice- find another one.

There are good Drs out there, albeit they may be hard to find. It helps to do the research, too. If you start asking intelligent questions, they won't be so apt to treat you like you don't know anything.

You really do have to demand that level of service. Anything else is unnacceptable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:52 PM on 10/25/2008
- ZellaBee I'm a Fan of ZellaBee 13 fans permalink

Placebos should only be used in a study, where the patient is being compensated to participate. The patient makes the choice to be a guinea pig. Otherwise it should be illegal. Period.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:22 PM on 10/24/2008
- zizyphus I'm a Fan of zizyphus 107 fans permalink
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Actually, placebo (if it works) is the best medicine. It is the safest, and causes no side effects. Now, knowing this, one would think that researchers would study the placebo effect, because therein lies an effective medicine. But, that wouldn't make money for the drug companies.

The majority of drugs are made in third world countries (quality control?) and have been tested by the manufacturers themselves (so neutral!) so they will pass FDA approval (revolving doors) and then unleashed on the public, where the real beta testing begins.

The docs have just become pushers for every new Rx drug that BigPharma dreams up. Most of them, the side effects are worse than the symptom they supposedly treat. Then they give you another drug to counter the bad effects of the first drug, and so on until people are taking a dozen different pills, and are really sick. Then they backtrack and start eliminating them.

If you have an acute illness, by all means see the docs, otherwise, stay away. They know nothing about creating and maintaining health, as they have only studied disease. Everyone should know by know that moderate exercise, clean whole foods and enough rest are how to keep our good health. Not Rx drugs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 PM on 10/24/2008
- SOLERSO68 I'm a Fan of SOLERSO68 36 fans permalink
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Looks like the docs are just pimping that office visit charge now. give a "placebo", hit them up for 150 bucks and send them on thier way. and im glad you included the "if it works" caveat . placebos dont work on people who are actually sick, magical thinking aside. and doctors are selective in the quality of care given. its not the doctors right to decide who should get the full benefit of treat ment and who should just be able to will themselves bettter.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:49 PM on 10/25/2008
- Mason I'm a Fan of Mason 38 fans permalink
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I assume most of the doctors surveyed work in hospital ERs and the placebos are administered to the patients in the ER before they are discharged. Prescriptions can't be written in some kind of code that would signal a pharmacist to substitute a placebo, although they can authorize substitution of a generic drug.

Administering placebos should be outlawed because it defrauds the patient. While some percentage of patients probably fake symptoms to get their prescription drug of choice, we do not yet have a reliable way of determining who is faking and who isn't. Some ER doctors are excellent doctors, but many are marginally competent and, good or bad, none of them are experts in deciding whom is telling the truth.

Another major concern is billing. Is the patient or the patient's insurance company billed for the placebo or for the drug the doctor told the patient he or she would receive? My guess is the latter and, if I'm right, patients and their insurance companies have been defrauded out of millions and possibly billions of dollars, depending on how long and widespread the practice. That many hospitals have been successfully prosecuted for overbilling medicare and medicaid suggests that administering placebos more likely is motivated by greed than suspicion about patient motives.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 AM on 10/24/2008
- emerywood I'm a Fan of emerywood 4 fans permalink

Most placebos are probably administered in the GP's offices. Vitamin B12 shots used to be the most popular placebo, ostensibly because it would do no harm but most patients with any mild malady would think they are getting the " cure ". If placebos are banned, both the physician and his patient would feel something is missing. The patient would feel he is not getting the " quick fix " that he is paying for, while the physician would fear losing his patients fast if nothing " concrete " is offered other than words of assurance. It has a psychological effect on both the physician and his patients. Doctors don't get paid for extras such as a B12 shot, the fee is included in the office visit billing. Wholesale fraud by using placebos instead of the proper medications is probably rare.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 PM on 10/24/2008
- Marlyn I'm a Fan of Marlyn 79 fans permalink
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If the doctor isn't providing real medical care then it should be free.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:42 AM on 10/24/2008
- Fabienne I'm a Fan of Fabienne 31 fans permalink

If placebos work because the patient believes they are working, what's wrong with administering them? If there are no hardcore drugs to treat the condition and the patient demands medication, why not give him or her something that does no harm, unlike most pharmaceuticals, which often have deleterious side effects? Many doctors believe the patient's beliefs are as important in healing as the actual medication and medical procedures. If placebos do no harm, what's wrong with stimulating the patient's belief that he or she can heal?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 AM on 10/24/2008
- vegas9999 I'm a Fan of vegas9999 6 fans permalink

If Obama wins, there will be more of this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 AM on 10/24/2008
- aceholiday I'm a Fan of aceholiday 4 fans permalink

thanks, god, you are so knowledgeable

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:32 AM on 10/24/2008
- Krackonis I'm a Fan of Krackonis 6 fans permalink

If Obama wins maybe you guys will get healthcare like the rest of us. It's literally safer to break a bone in almost anywhere other than the US. No one in the US will help you, but in England, Japan, Australia, New Zealand it's covered. It's free.

Cause real humans don't let other humans die needlessly. A Society that does its not a society worth supporting.

And look, here is goes, collapsing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 PM on 10/24/2008

It's not really a placibo if you're telling them it's a placibo, is it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:19 AM on 10/24/2008
- ssg13565 I'm a Fan of ssg13565 27 fans permalink

I don't think enough readers are getting the point of what you said, so let me emphasize it.

If giving a placebo actually made the patient feel better and there was no actual illness, then the doctor did what a doctor is supposed to do. He or she made the patient feel better and did no harm.

If the doctor told the patient it was a placebo, then it would not have been an effective treatment.

When the placebo is an aspirin or a vitamin, then the charge is minimal considering the good that has been done.

If the doctor starts prescribing lots of placebos because she or he it too lazy to do a real diagnosis, then the doctor is descending into malpractice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:46 PM on 10/24/2008
- reliant1 I'm a Fan of reliant1 24 fans permalink
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Having worked in healthcare for the past 17 years I can tell you - many sick Americans are no different than healthy Americans.

They shop - for whomever will give them what they want or what they think they need and what they think they deserve...­.and give it to them right that minute.

Docs who tell those pt's the truth will lose that customer.

It's an easy problem to solve - simply let your Doc know right from the get go that you want the truth, no placebo's and won't tolerate that kind of approach. The Doc will thank you (alot) and treat you as you request.

Behave otherwise and you'll be sold whatever they think will shut you up and make you go away.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 AM on 10/24/2008
- Myshkin57 I'm a Fan of Myshkin57 16 fans permalink

I've tried the "telling my doctor the truth" approach. It just creates animosity. Some doctors have a lot of contempt for patients. I've had doctors tell me I don't have symptoms that are verifiable without detailed examination, like large swollen bumps that are easily visible.

What you suggest may work with some doctors but not where I live. I'm in a college town and it seems like pretty much whatever your symptoms you have they tell you have mono, but will not give you a test for it unless you agree to pay for it completely out of your own pocket, since they will not say that it is required.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:00 AM on 10/24/2008
- Krackonis I'm a Fan of Krackonis 6 fans permalink

Customer? Sorry I forgot. You SELL doctors services. That's insane to me. Trying to 'keep patients'. How about just save lives?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 PM on 10/24/2008

I think I prefer my medicine straight. Thank you. No placebos for me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:07 AM on 10/24/2008

Doctors sell us a lot of crap we don't need. They do this because they don't care about us. They are only in it for the money. Its not just pills. We get all kinds of "procedures" and "treatments" and "tests" that we don't need. Thats if we have insurance. If not we can't even see a doctor. American medicine is a black hole that takes everything you have and when you are broke it lets you die.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:52 AM on 10/24/2008
- krocklin I'm a Fan of krocklin 30 fans permalink

I read obituaries of people who live very long lives. Often when asked why they lived so long, they say its because they hardly ever went to doctors.
Of course you could say the healthiest people don't NEED to go to doctors. But our culture says you are healthier if you get all kinds of check ups, tests, pills and procedures.
In general, prescription drugsinterfere with the body's natural ability to heal itself. For example, sometimes it's good to get the flu.
And finally I would like to see statistics relating to the incidence of cancer and prescription pills and to X-rays and various test procedures. I believe they are often the actual CAUSE.
I believe medicine as practiced in America especially, where mainstream medicine has the greatest monopoly, actually does more HARM than it does good on balance.
I am very healthy and can tell you the few times I went to doctors I was stupid to do so. Especially the dentist when I was very young when they riddled my mouth with fillings. I haven't been back since I was ten years old except 20 years after one of the fillings fell out and the cavity needed to be filled again. It shouldn't have been filled at all.
I have a whole list of medical horror stories regarding friends and relatives.
Prescription drugs are the most dangerous epidemic in this country, which consumes more of them than the entire rest of the world combined.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 AM on 10/24/2008
- Krackonis I'm a Fan of Krackonis 6 fans permalink

I believe your foods and toxic substances are causing your Cancers. I have seen it. it's not real good it's just processed "biological or semi-biological" material.

Your' GMO food also causes cancer in almost every being that consumes it. From Bee's Causing colony collapse, to people with the over abundance of colon cancer recently.

Perhaps if you stopped trying and turn food into something it's not ,and medicine into something it ain't you guys won't be so messed up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:12 PM on 10/24/2008
- BillyT I'm a Fan of BillyT 3 fans permalink

Another DUMB STUDY.

For many conditions there are no direct cures (like rheumatoid arthritis).

This study calls pain medicine "placebo." What is wrong with these people....

WRONG! Treating the pain of arthritis is not a placebo.

Saline shots, sugar pills...ye­s those are placebo. Not pain medications.

Another study designed to grab headlines brought to you by people whose livelihood and prestige depend on publishing more and more studies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 AM on 10/24/2008
- zizyphus I'm a Fan of zizyphus 107 fans permalink
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The doctors won't give arthritis sufferers anything effective. They want you to take tylenol so your kidneys and liver will get shot. That is because the DEA has them terrified of losing their licenses.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 PM on 10/24/2008
- hapiguy I'm a Fan of hapiguy 15 fans permalink

Welcome to a Democracy,,,we pass them out around the world,,Placebo Democracy anyone?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 AM on 10/24/2008
- MrWampler I'm a Fan of MrWampler 4 fans permalink

I have two questions:

1) Is the pharmacist in on this?

2) Is Big Pharma in on this?

I don't have a problem placebo use in general. The 50% appears high, but that just means 50% doctor have precribed a placebo, not to every single one of their patients. So it's kinda misleading.

My own doctor, when I first met her, prescribed me an antibiotic once for a virus and I called her on it. She told me it was "just in case," but now I wonder if it was a placebo. Since then she's learned I'm not very good at "taking my pills" (because I don't like to be *medicated*).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:53 AM on 10/24/2008
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