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First Posted: 10-28-08 08:48 AM   |   Updated: 11-28-08 05:12 AM

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MSNBC beat CNN in prime time for the month of October, led by the breakout success of "The Rachel Maddow Show," which brought MSNBC its first-ever victory over CNN in the 9PM hour.

The Hollywood Reporter's Paul J. Gough reports:

MSNBC has throttled into second place in three hours of cable news primetime, beating CNN for the month of October.


Fox News, as usual, retains the top slot and is in no danger of relinquishing it. But MSNBC turned in its best primetime performance in its 12-year history in the adults 25-54 demo, according to Nielsen Media Research. It surpassed CNN for second place between 7-10 p.m. with "Hardball," "Countdown With Keith Olbermann" and "The Rachel Maddow Show."


MSNBC GM Phil Griffin said Monday that it's a historic placement for the network and part of MSNBC's long-term strategy when it set out on this course two years ago.


"We wanted to challenge CNN and become a player by the election," Griffin said. "Guess what? In the months leading into the election, we beat CNN."

Griffin also spoke to TVNewser, saying:

"We've never had a performance like this in our history. We tamed the giant of Larry King."

The Numbers
7PM
"Hardball": 458,000 (A25-54)
"Lou Dobbs Tonight": 428,000 (A25-54)

8PM
"Countdown with Keith Olbermann": 784,000 (A25-54)
"Campbell Brown": 582,000 (A25-54)

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9PM
"The Rachel Maddow Show": 700,000 (A25-54)
"Larry King Live": 673,000 (A25-54)

Of course, with MSNBC's growing success comes a target on its back, and CNN President Jon Klein said in a statement that he expects CNN's nonpartisan programming to win out once the passions of the election season have subsided:

CNN is beating MSNBC in primetime, we are No. 1 in all cable news at 10 p.m., and it is no surprise that their partisan approach will see a bump a month before the election. We think our objective, post-partisan approach will have better long-term results.

Such a sentiment was echoed by TV executives on both sides of the political aisle at a media luncheon. The Hollywood Reporter's Paul Bond reports that even Democrats said MSNBC is "out of control" in its liberal leanings:

The cable news channel is "completely out of control," said writer-producer Linda Bloodworth-Thomason, a self-proclaimed liberal Democrat.


She added that she would prefer a lunch date with right-leaning Fox News star Sean Hannity over left-leaning MSNBC star Keith Olbermann.


Olbermann was criticized by many who attended Monday's luncheon sponsored by the Caucus for Producers, Writers & Directors at the Beverly Hills Hotel. The event was dubbed "Hollywood, America and Election '08."


Bloodworth-Thomason and others seemed especially critical of the way MSNBC -- and other media -- has attacked Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin while demeaning her supporters.


"We should stop the demonizing," she said, adding that Democrats have been worse than Republicans as far as personal attacks on candidates are concerned. "It diminishes us," she said of her fellow Democrats.

Full MSNBC press release below:


MSNBC'S RACHEL MADDOW DE-THRONES KING - MSNBC FASTEST GROWING CABLE NET IN OCT.


MSNBC's "The Rachel Maddow Show" Out-Rates CNN's "Larry King Live" in A25-54 in Oct., First Time MSNBC has Ever Out-Rated CNN at 9 PM


"Countdown" Sees Highest Ratings Ever; MSNBC's Best Primetime Performance Ever


"Hardball with Chris Matthews" Out-Rates CNN's "Lou Dobbs" at 7 PM

NEW YORK - Oct. 27, 2008 - MSNBC's seven-week old "The Rachel Maddow Show" marked a huge milestone, out-rating CNN's "Larry King Live" in just its second month on the air among Adults 25-54, the first time ever MSNBC has out-rated CNN at 9 p.m. (700,000 vs. 673,000, program data, excludes presidential debates). "The Rachel Maddow Show" is up an astounding 396 percent from Oct. 07 among A25-54 (700,000 vs. 141,000) and up 387 percent in total viewers (1,893,000 vs. 389,000).

MSNBC's fantastic ratings growth reached new heights in October, becoming the fastest growing network in all of cable for the month (+147% in total viewers, total day vs. Oct. 07, through Friday). MSNBC also saw its best month ever in weekday primetime in total viewers (2,002,000) and in the key Adults 25-54 demographic (769,000).

"Countdown with Keith Olbermann" continued its dominance over CNN at 8 p.m., out-rating "Campbell Brown" by 35 percent in A25-54 (784,000 vs. 582,000) and 41 percent in total viewers (2,175,000 vs. 1,540,000). "Countdown" had its best month ever among A25-54 in October, and is up a tremendous 170 percent in A25-54 from Oct. 07 (784,000 vs. 290,000) and up 180 percent in total viewers (2,175,000 vs. 776,000). Excluding coverage of the presidential debates, "Countdown" is the #3 top-rated show in cable news in A25-54. "Countdown" is also the #1 cable news show among young viewers, Adults 18-34.

"Hardball with Chris Matthews" out-rated CNN's "Lou Dobbs" by 7 percent in A25-54 (458,000 vs. 428,000), delivering the best numbers at 7 p.m. since April 2003 (the start of the war in Iraq). "Hardball" is up a huge 242 percent vs. Oct. 07 (134,000) and up 214 percent in total viewers (423,000).

"Morning Joe" had its best month ever, averaging 224,000 A25-54, and delivered MSNBC's best morning ratings since April of 2003. "Morning Joe" is up 239 percent from Oct. 07 (66,000).

"Race for the White House with David Gregory" delivered 294,000 A25-54, up 272 percent from last year (79,000). These are the best ratings ever for "Race" and the highest ratings in the time period since April of 2003.


Built on the worldwide resources of NBC News, MSNBC defines news for the next generation with world-class reporting and a full schedule of live news coverage, political analysis and award-winning documentary programming -- 24 hours a day, seven days a week. MSNBC's home on the Internet is msnbc.com. Msnbc.com delivers a fuller spectrum of news. Drawing on its award-winning original journalism, NBC News heritage, trusted sources and Microsoft's advanced technologies, the site presents compelling, diverse and visually-engaging stories on the consumer's platform of choice. Nielsen Online reports more than 52 million unique visitors for August 2008, making msnbc.com the number one news site, ahead of Yahoo! News, CNN, ABC, CBS, and Fox News.

MSNBC beat CNN in prime time for the month of October, led by the breakout success of "The Rachel Maddow Show," which brought MSNBC its first-ever victory over CNN in the 9PM hour. The Hollywood Repo...
MSNBC beat CNN in prime time for the month of October, led by the breakout success of "The Rachel Maddow Show," which brought MSNBC its first-ever victory over CNN in the 9PM hour. The Hollywood Repo...
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- mono I'm a Fan of mono permalink

Yeah, the article is good. I love Kieth, Rachel and that spitting-o­n-the-tabl­e guy but the real story would be when MSNBC beat FOX.

I think O' Reilly's ratings are hurt by Kieth's countdown. Hannity is still feeding his audience with bogus/futile topics and still considered top in the 9.00 PM slot.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:47 AM on 10/29/2008
- TMann99821 I'm a Fan of TMann99821 6 fans permalink
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From the story...

"Fox News, as usual, retains the top slot and is in no danger of relinquishing it."

No matter how hard PMSNBC tries to promulgate their hatred for the Republicans, they just can't seem to do better than Fox.

Doesn't this alone tell you that more people would rather watch Fox?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:43 AM on 10/29/2008
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It's certainly a sad statement about the collective gullibility of our nation. Every time I meet someone singing Palin's praises I say, "Oh, you watch Fox." And they always look at me surprised, like I'm psychic or something. lol I want to say "The only people in the country who support that woman are people who watch Fox regularly, NO ONE else does. No one."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:15 AM on 10/29/2008
- CindyM2008 I'm a Fan of CindyM2008 9 fans permalink
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So true, Lollie

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:19 AM on 10/29/2008
- TMann99821 I'm a Fan of TMann99821 6 fans permalink
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People don't support Palin because they watch Fox.

People watch Fox because they support Palin.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:48 AM on 10/29/2008

It tells me there's a demographic of ignorant cowards who will never be reached. Original thought is just too terrifying a prospect for them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:01 AM on 10/29/2008
- TMann99821 I'm a Fan of TMann99821 6 fans permalink
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It tells me there's a demographic of intelligent people who are tired of the mainstream media forcing their "opinions" on us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:25 AM on 10/29/2008
- protagonia I'm a Fan of protagonia 77 fans permalink

Though your analysis of these people is true, some of them still grow to reject this poison. Not as quickly as anyone would like it to be, but miracles DO happen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:30 AM on 10/29/2008
- radnip I'm a Fan of radnip 3 fans permalink

MSNBC is great. I love Keith and Chris and Rachel. I try to watch CNN sometimes, but hubby and I agree that they need to learn to cut people off. From my perspective, CNN is right-leaning. They either let the right rant a lot or are too easy on them (which really also means they get to rant a lot). I mean, come on, Larry, Campbell, etc.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:40 AM on 10/29/2008
- TMann99821 I'm a Fan of TMann99821 6 fans permalink
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Don't you think it odd that the three people you like the most on PMSNBC are the ones that have a 3 hour Obama commercial every night?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:55 AM on 10/29/2008
- CindyM2008 I'm a Fan of CindyM2008 9 fans permalink
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As opposed to the 24 hour Mc Cain commercial­s...lol

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:10 AM on 10/29/2008
- CindyM2008 I'm a Fan of CindyM2008 9 fans permalink
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As opposed to the 24 hour Mc Cain commercials on FOX...lol

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:11 AM on 10/29/2008
- protagonia I'm a Fan of protagonia 77 fans permalink

TMann99821

"PMSNBC"?

As in PMS?

Problem with women?

Take it up with your hero, Sarah Palin.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 AM on 10/29/2008

Why so defensive? MSNBC also has dittohead Joe Scarborough as their Morning Joke.
Last I heard, he was one of yours.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 AM on 10/29/2008

THE ONLY SHOWS I WATCH ARE ON MSNBC, I TELL YOU WE'LL SEND A REAL LOUD MESSAGE DO NOT WATCH CNN, FOX OR ANYOTHER MAINSTREAM MEDIA FOR THE NEXT WEEK,

RACHEL ,KETH AND CHRIS ON MSNBC ARE GREAT, I'M NOT FOND OF THE SHOW CUP OF JOE IN THE MORNING

THE ONLY TIME I WATCH(RECORD) LARRY KING IS WHEN JOY BEHAR IS ON, LARRY REALLY HAS A HARD TIME MANAGING MORE THAN ONE PERSON ON HIS SHOW....HE SHOULD REALLY ONLY HAVE ONE PERSON ON AT A TIME

OFF THE SUBJECT...­SARAH PALIN IS SO DESPERATE TO NOT RETURN TO ALASKA, SHE KNOWS HER DAYS ARE NUMBERED..­.JUST LIKE TED STEVENS, SHE KNOWS SHE'D BETTER GET OUT OF TOWN....GO TO MUDFLATS.W­ORDPRESS.C­OM

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:04 AM on 10/29/2008
- TMann99821 I'm a Fan of TMann99821 6 fans permalink
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Typical closed minded liberal.

Here is what you're saying...

I will only watch people I agree with. I am right and everyone that disagree's with me is wrong.

Are you sure you're not Joy Bahar? You're using all caps which means you're shouting the way she always does on "A View."

Then you use your final statement to bash Sarah Palin. Just haaaaad to let that anger shine through, didn't you? McCain and Palin have already said publicly that Ted Stevens should resign. Remember, she already took care of all the Rebublican good old boys at the state level.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:51 AM on 10/29/2008
- CindyM2008 I'm a Fan of CindyM2008 9 fans permalink
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Typical closed-minded CONservative

Attempting to put words in someone else's mouth. Are you sure you're not BillO Reilly jumping to conclusions without knowing facts as well as trying to appear smart even though you're not?
Then latching onto the non-ethical Pa lin and swallowing the "took on the good ol boys" kool-aid line. LOL!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:15 AM on 10/29/2008

I think you are right.Why can we not give up and change some shows.Larr­y King was great once,but like our politicians some must be replaced.L­et the younger people men and women get a chance to bring us this generation's view on everything­.Give it up guys and gals of the past.Your differences are showing .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:03 AM on 10/29/2008
- Frannyvida I'm a Fan of Frannyvida 3 fans permalink

CNN is going to be so sorry they turned tail. MSNBC will go through the roof, they will have so much to talk about for so long. I'm looking forward to it.

And Linda, I'd have lunch with Keith Olbermann anyday. I'd even cook it and bring it to him. I'd make it for Chris too and Rachel could sit at the head of the table. What a blast that would be.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:43 AM on 10/29/2008
- TMann99821 I'm a Fan of TMann99821 6 fans permalink
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If Obama wins the election they will have to change their entire structure from McCain bashing to Obama praising. Sarcasm is what they're good at.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:01 AM on 10/29/2008
- protagonia I'm a Fan of protagonia 77 fans permalink

Nobody expect the neo cons to like the change in attitude in America. They have had their turn. We are at the gates of Hell now, thanks to this administration.

The modern Conservative is not like previous generations. Today's Conservative is far more gullible, dishonest, hateful to the point of violence (as opposed to their claims that Liberals are somehow, magically the violent ones). Ruthless and cruel. As far from a true Christian as the Sun is from the Moon. Led by local handlers like attack dogs, all the time believing that they are being "Being good".

"Good boy. Go git 'em boy. Att'a boy..."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 AM on 10/29/2008

That's cute. AIG just called to tell me to get back to work so I can pay my taxes. They have another junket planned in a couple of weeks and somebody's gotta pay for it!

Don't you have an AIP meeting to attend or a moose to field dress?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 AM on 10/29/2008
- Manx I'm a Fan of Manx 19 fans permalink

CNN's Jon Klein has it backwards. He says that after the election, viewers will leave partisan MSNBC and return to CNN. Wrong. CNN is partisan for McCain/Palin but they're just a little more subtle than
FOX. If Obama wins and becomes a very popular president, viewers won't forget that CNN did everything it could to defeat him. Everytime I turn on CNN, it's McCain/Palin constantly with hardly any mention of Joe Biden. After Obama wins the election, MSNBC's ratings will climb and CNN's will diminish.

CNN - the second most untrusted name in news!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:19 AM on 10/29/2008
- candyc I'm a Fan of candyc 13 fans permalink

The sound of Wolf Blitzer's voice is intolerable

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:58 AM on 10/29/2008
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I agree. Candyc. Albeit Leslie Blitzer's droning voice, I used to be a CNN loyalist. MSNBC has won me over. They are the only ones who tell it like it is--except for Joe Scarborough.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:32 AM on 10/29/2008
- Oregon Ivy I'm a Fan of Oregon Ivy 11 fans permalink

CNN and the other media are leaning too much toward McCaIn. They let him and his spokespeople lie without challenging them and they cut off the Democrat's spokespeople and don't give them rebuttal time.

Hmmm..... guess who is getting huge tax cuts under McCain's plan? BIG CORPORATIONS!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 AM on 10/29/2008

I'm glad to see that other people realize how CNN operates against the Obama campaign, despite McCain's claims that the whole world is "in the tank" for Barack. To tell the truth, MSNBC isn't any better (and Morning Joe is nearly unbearable), except for Keith and Rachel (and occasionally Matthews, when his beatdowns just happen to work to Obama's advantage).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:41 AM on 10/29/2008
- dakotaharp I'm a Fan of dakotaharp 6 fans permalink

I am feeling something that has been missing for a long time....pr­ide. I am proud of Barrack, I am proud of Rachel, I am proud of the awakening we are seeing here in the U.S.. This is no time to be complacent­....please vote. These are very mean people we are up against. I will not celebrate our victory til 2 days after election day. Just to make sure. It ain`t over yet folks.Rach­el all the best from a 52 year old guy in minnesota. You make me feel proud.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:56 AM on 10/29/2008

The cable news channel is "completely out of control," said writer-producer Linda Bloodworth­-Thomason, a self-proclaimed liberal Democrat. She added that she would prefer a lunch date with right-leaning Fox News star Sean Hannity over left-leaning MSNBC star Keith Olbermann. Olbermann was criticized by many who attended Monday's luncheon sponsored by the Caucus for Producers, Writers & Directors at the Beverly Hills Hotel. The event was dubbed "Hollywood, America and Election '08."

No offense to Linda Bloodworth­-Thomason, but that's just wackadoodle. Lunch with Sean Hannity over Keith? Uh, okay. That's plain nutty. Me thinks Linda was being a bit of a suck up to her colleagues.

I love MSNBC's lineup. Those that don't, well, they don't have to watch.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:50 AM on 10/29/2008
- fignozzle I'm a Fan of fignozzle 15 fans permalink
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KO rocked it last night as it were....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 AM on 10/29/2008

NOTE TO RACHEL MADDOW:

Love the show, Love the threads, Hate the set! - Call David Bromstad, quick!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:41 AM on 10/29/2008
- fignozzle I'm a Fan of fignozzle 15 fans permalink
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i KNOW! her set and some of the format suck!
i love maddow, but that set.......­........
it simply will not do.
make the set look like the library in her home!
beeeesh!
i kindly went all david bromstad..­....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:51 AM on 10/29/2008
- Oregon Ivy I'm a Fan of Oregon Ivy 11 fans permalink

Rachel and David? I'd love to watch that special! Let's email them and suggest it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 AM on 10/29/2008

Oh, tell your family and friends to log on to HuffPost. I told my daughter and my sister and they are hooked on HUFF.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:27 AM on 10/29/2008

Now we have to beat Faux News. Keep telling all of your family and friends to watch MSNBC. This is the best channel to watch, they are honest people and tell it like it is. KO,CM,RM are all very funny and don't take any crap from anyone they interview. I love it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 AM on 10/29/2008
- spiffarino I'm a Fan of spiffarino 10 fans permalink

If MSNBC becomes a staple on basic cable, its ratings will jump. Right now it's mostly available in premium cable packages, while Fox is part of most basic cable. That might explain why so many older campers watch FNC far more than either CNN or MSNBC.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 AM on 10/29/2008
- rkfdred I'm a Fan of rkfdred 17 fans permalink

I watch MSNBC whenever possible but I do watch the Situation Room at 4 p.m. only because they repeat Hardball again at 6. I don't understand how FOX does so well. It is so far to the right and so vicious I can't watch it without risking a rise in my blood pressure. I also listen to Tom Hartman whenever I can. He is a very intelligent guy and I've learned a lot about government and it's history. He is able to intelligently rebutt anything McCain says. My favorite topic though is the one where he says America's basic problem is that we don't make anything here any more and when I think about it he's right. He'd be a great addition to MSNBC. They picked up Rachel Maddow so I can only hope.

I live in Illinois and we aren't a swing state obviously but I voted last Wednesday for Obama so now I can sit back and hope that the polls are right.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 AM on 10/29/2008
- swbks I'm a Fan of swbks 3 fans permalink

Hannity is NOT the news, O'Reilly is not news. I will admit that FOX certainly has a conservative lean, but if it's OK for MSNBC to have a liberal lean why get so worked up about FOX? For the record this country has millions of people in it who are conservatives and want a more conservative viewpoint. Does that make them wrong? According to liberals the answer is yes, but what makes your thought process any more valid because you think you are correct in your political ideals. You can't watch FOX without getting your blood pressure up and I can't watch Rachel or Keith without wanting to throw things at the TV. That is why America is a great country because we have diverse people with diverse ideas. I will agree to disagree with you but I won't hate you. I will disagree with Obama but if/when he becomes my president I will respect him in that office. No, I'm not wanting your approval nor will I get it out here on huffposts, but thats OK because it it was it is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:42 AM on 10/29/2008
- Oregon Ivy I'm a Fan of Oregon Ivy 11 fans permalink

I believe you're confusing LEAN with LIES

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:02 AM on 10/29/2008
- jjoshaugh I'm a Fan of jjoshaugh 2 fans permalink

Having diverse viewpoints : Good

Having diverse viewpoints because you are being fed blatant lies : Bad

People watch Fox because its entertaining and and even more importantly, cheap. Everything SEEMS to be right of you live in their entertaining bubble, but in fact its basically aggressive lying.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:09 PM on 10/30/2008
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