Banks asking for credit card debt forgiveness

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BY MARCY GORDON | October 30, 2008 05:31 PM EST | AP

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WASHINGTON — With defaults on credit card debt spiraling amid a global financial downturn, banks already reeling from the mortgage crisis are losing billions more from unpaid credit card bills.

Big banks have formed an unusual alliance with consumer advocates to urge the government to allow huge portions of credit card debt to be forgiven, a turnabout from recent years when the banking industry lobbied strenuously to make it harder for consumers to erase their credit card debts in bankruptcy.

The new pilot program _ which the banks hope will become permanent _ could involve as many as 50,000 people struggling with credit card debt. On an individual basis, the amount of debt to be forgiven would rise according to the severity of the borrower's financial situation, up to a maximum of 40 percent.

"There's obviously a financial benefit to the financial institutions to step up to the plate right now," said Susan Keating, president and chief executive of the National Foundation for Credit Counseling, which has 108 member organizations around the country. "We absolutely support the proposal."

In an increasingly tough economic climate, banks and other mortgage lenders already have been agreeing to modify loans of distressed homeowners to help them avoid foreclosure. Now, banks making credit card loans have reached a point where they can lose less by forgiving part of the debt than seeing the consumer walk away entirely.

Credit cards _ the ubiquitous plastic rectangles that have become an integral part of American life and the economy _ now look to be the latest domino to drop in a financial crisis that started with subprime mortgages and continually takes new twists.

Amid rising job losses, consumers _ even those with strong credit records _ have been defaulting at high levels on their credit cards. Banks already battered by the mortgage and credit crises are bleeding tens of billions in red ink from the losses. The largest credit-card banks each set aside between $1 billion and $3.5 billion in the third quarter for losses on card loans as their profits plummeted.

The biggest credit card lenders include Discover Financial Services LLC, Bank of America Corp., Citigroup Inc., JPMorgan Chase & Co., Capital One Financial Corp., American Express Co. and HSBC Holdings.

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Credit card charge-off rates, balances written off as unpaid, rose to 6.8 percent in August, up 48 percent from a year earlier, according to Moody's Investors Service.

Americans are lumbering under about $900 billion in credit card debt, according to the latest available Federal Reserve figures. People who are in credit counseling, on average, carry seven cards.

Many of the people now having trouble making their credit card payments are in a double or triple whammy: their mortgages or car loans also may be under stress.

And for many, the torrent of envelopes bearing credit card offers at low initial rates _ much like the old "teaser" rates on subprime mortgages _ has recently been replaced by more somber notices of crimped credit lines, hikes in interest rates or even accounts being closed as lenders tighten the reins to reduce their risk.

The new proposal pitched to federal regulators by the Financial Services Roundtable, which represents more than 100 big banks and other financial companies, and the Consumer Federation of America, would allow lenders to reduce by as much as 40 percent the amount of credit card debt owed by deeply indebted consumers in a pilot program.

It recognizes that "there are some critical problems with credit card debt," said Bert Ely, a banking industry consultant based in Alexandria, Va. "We're going to see more of these efforts to try to minimize the situation."

Under the groups' proposal to U.S. Comptroller of the Currency John Dugan, whose Treasury Department agency oversees national banks, a pilot project would allow big credit card companies to sharply reduce the amounts owed by consumers in over their heads who don't qualify for the repayment plans now available.

Nearly all the biggest credit card banks have agreed to such a pilot program in which lenders would forgive as much as 40 percent of the amount consumers owe, allowing them to pay back the remainder over time.

The test program could reach as many as 50,000 borrowers, said Scott Talbott, senior vice president at the Roundtable. Borrowers would have to be in a counseling program for their credit card debt. The amount of debt to be forgiven would be determined case by case, depending on the borrower's financial condition; those receiving close to the maximum forgiveness level would be nearing a personal bankruptcy filing.

And there would be a tax benefit. Borrowers would be able to defer payment of income taxes they owe on the forgiven part of the debt until after the remainder was paid off. The lenders could wait until then to book their loss on the forgiven debt.

"Both parties win," Talbott said.

Current government rules don't allow lenders to offer repayment plans that reduce the amount of principal owed and borrowers to repay the balance over a period of several years. In cases where the principal can be reduced, under credit card settlements, borrowers normally are required to pay off the remainder over months rather than years.

Kevin Mukri, a spokesman for the comptroller's office, had no immediate comment on the new proposal Thursday. Peter Garuccio, a spokesman for the American Bankers Association, also declined to comment.

June Selby, who nearly filed for bankruptcy three years ago when she was buried under nearly $32,000 in school loans, saw both sides but said she didn't like the idea of anyone getting a free ride.

Selby, 60, worked with credit counselors to pay off nearly half the balance and is on track to be debt free by 2011.

"If (the proposal) makes it possible to maintain a sense of integrity and pay back debt without going into bankruptcy, that's one thing," said Selby, a certified nurse in Lawrenceville, Ga.

But she said she was against the idea of a free handout for people who've simply been irresponsible.

"There just has to be some accountability. Nobody is bailing me out. I had to work very hard to keep from bankruptcy and foreclosure," she said.

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AP Business Writer Candice Choi in New York contributed to this report.

WASHINGTON — With defaults on credit card debt spiraling amid a global financial downturn, banks already reeling from the mortgage crisis are losing billions more from unpaid credit card bills. ...
WASHINGTON — With defaults on credit card debt spiraling amid a global financial downturn, banks already reeling from the mortgage crisis are losing billions more from unpaid credit card bills. ...
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- Figerre I'm a Fan of Figerre 7 fans permalink

Like half of America. SOL guys!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:26 PM on 10/31/2008
- JoeBlough I'm a Fan of JoeBlough 61 fans permalink
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Why have we returned to the idea of "reward the irresponsible and punish the responsible"?
If banks take a loss because of bad business practices, they should go under. But punishing responsible people by making them bail out the crud-butts doesn't make sense.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:49 PM on 10/31/2008
- PT6 I'm a Fan of PT6 25 fans permalink

Obama plans Cabinet Position in Technology

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FIVE FACTS:

1. American Taxpayers Own Fannie, Freddie, interest in AIG, and group of Banks!
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3. Crisis Continues Because Homeowners can not Afford "TRICKY Adjustable Loans" and are Walking Away!
4. The Current FED RATE is 1.0%!
5. Technology (Internet) are Sophisticated Tools for Automating 98% of a Loan!

Use the Internet, Automation, and New Taxpayer Owned Banks to provide direct low cost loans, Eliminating Corrupt Middle Men (i.e., Mortgage Companies and Banks)?

FIXED rate new loans could be very low, perhaps 2.5% to 3.5%, to Provide New Taxpayer Owned Banks with a "1.5% to 2.5% margin!"

Why such low rates? Because Middle men Removed - Direct from FED Money Rate of 1.0%!

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Automation verifies employment, home title, credit, and 98% of loan Preparation.

Eliminates mortgage fees, bank fees, title fees, most verification fees, and most documentation work.

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Removes layers of processing, reduces obligations, keeps people in their homes, reduces burden on banks, and stimulates economy!

For some families this could save $500 to $1,500 per month and in some cases more.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:22 PM on 10/31/2008
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you forgot to factor in the thousands upon thousands of people who would lose their jobs - the loan processors, underwriters, title examinators, etc.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:28 PM on 10/31/2008

Make these banks suck it up and take the hit. The way they sent out "pre-approved" credit card offers to anyone they could, including underaged children, serves them right. When interest rates went down, did you see your interest rates go down? Hell no.

If your business is losing money, force pay cuts on the top officers of the company or go belly up. You made your bed, now lie in it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:59 PM on 10/31/2008
- FDRJFKLBJ I'm a Fan of FDRJFKLBJ 2 fans permalink

Hahaha, first it was banks, and now its credit cards. Next it's going to be auto loans, student loans, on and on and on. The dominoes are starting to fall.

We are having an economics collapse. Americans have borrowed more than they can pay for, and now they want the government to bail them out. Sorry, but the government can't help either, because the US government is BANKRUPT just like YOU.

The United States will declare bankruptcy within 50 years. In the meantime we are going to have hyper-inflation, a collapsing dollar, huge unemployment, and a standard of living much much lower than anything in the past.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:27 PM on 10/31/2008
- darthdarcy I'm a Fan of darthdarcy 48 fans permalink
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Give the PEOPLE Credit Card Debt Forgiveness and Cap Rates on credit Cards at a maximum 15% for only the worst payers and 5%-7% -10% for the majority..of Card Holders..!

"End the Blood Sucking Usery..!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 PM on 10/31/2008

This would have to be fair to all people and I don't see how it could. Even if they forgave 40% from every credit card holder's balance, what about the people who have lived debt-free or couldn't get a credit card. They lose out. Credit card companies just need to lower their rates and stop charging fees. It's all the extra fees and the enormous rates that increase when you're late. If it was just fair to begin with we wouldn't be in this position.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 AM on 10/31/2008
- iambusto I'm a Fan of iambusto 5 fans permalink

"Credit card companies just need to lower their rates and stop charging fees. "

You realise credit card is unsecured debt. You could just decide to not pay your bills and most likely result would be the credit card companies just charging it off.

Secure your credit card with the collateral of your house and then you will see credit card rates go down too LOL.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 PM on 10/31/2008
- dlockatl I'm a Fan of dlockatl 3 fans permalink
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NO more bail outs. All they, the banks, will do is increase their own year-end-bonuses and we will still be hurting.

We, as a society, need to say no to the "excess" until this is under control. BTW - I said "excess" not necessities. I'm a Dem. I make a descent income, but I am still struggling. I'm single and I am still struggle. I rent a room because I cannot afford a place of my own. I drive a cheap car to save on gas. I cook at home instead of dinning out every night. This is common sense stuff, people. I am living withing my means until I can get a handle on this.

Cut up the CCs until you can get a handle on the payments. Period.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:43 AM on 10/31/2008
- NewArtz I'm a Fan of NewArtz 83 fans permalink
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Americans have used credit to bankroll foreign investment via consumerism, then borrowed from foreign investors to bankroll government. The debt is circular creating a world wide socialism. Our debt based consumerism for non native production has created this. We must be producers, and we must be consumers of our own production. This creates domestic maintenance, and profit comes from foreign markets.

We need a marketing genious to co-ordinate the turnaround. Someone with intelligence, wit, confidence, steady judgment and a great smile to promote America. Where could we find someone like that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:40 AM on 10/31/2008

Reducing interest rates way down and removing fees would help most people out, paying back a debt is not difficult for most people but add these costs and it becomes a struggle.
I think the credit scoring system needs a major overhaul, too many unimportant things like: Too many credit inquiries for example should NOT affect anyones score. Also, medical bills should NOT be on anyones credit, hospital bills are so insanely high that two nights in a hospital can cost some people a whole years wages - health and credit do not go together. Also it is too easy for small dentist offices or cell phone companies to put a black mark on your credit that can never be removed. This should not be so easy to do.
No more tax payers money need be given to banks, let the Federal Reserve lend them the money, they seem to be pretty good at printing way too much of it and tampering with it's value. Let the banks solve their own problems and let the Government help the people they govern and protect them from these ruthless monstors.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:36 AM on 10/31/2008
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" the credit scoring system needs a major overhaul"

i totally agree. that whole FICO thing was a scam from the beginning, to help set up the sub-prime products pushed by every bank and investor out there. i don't think that employers or insurance companies should be allowed to look at your credit either - you're applying for a job or mandatory car insurance, not a loan!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:34 PM on 10/31/2008
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that huge sucking sound that Ross Perot warned us about many years ago? It was not just jobs but also the wealth of the middle class to pay for the creatively magical schemings of the financial sector. They produced profits and dividends from unregulated and deregulated thin air. These emperors wear no clothes spun from invisible looms built upon egomaniacal self-deceipt that we must always pay for. Shame on us, for we seem to always be fooled.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 AM on 10/31/2008

Yes, but.....any plan to reduce the amount owed affects the credit score as much as bankruptcy does. It's a black mark that says 'this person cannot pay their bills,' and thus will be hard pressed to ever get credit again. Plus, these debt recovery programs force you to relinquish all present credit cards. In the long run, the person's credit is damaged.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 AM on 10/31/2008
- kgb999 I'm a Fan of kgb999 23 fans permalink

This is the stupidest idea I've ever heard. Why exactly would WE pay the credit card bills of someone who can't pay off their own Palin-style shopping?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 AM on 10/31/2008
- PaulL2 I'm a Fan of PaulL2 2 fans permalink

This is really disgusting. I did not overreach with my mortgage or my credit cards. My wife and I both work and we pay on time, in full. I don't get a 40% writedown on my debt. This is a free pass to those who should never have received credit in the first place, and forgiving it will do nothing to wean this society away from its profligate consumerism.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 AM on 10/31/2008

I am 100% debt free, too, but a lot of folks get into trouble because they have some kind of severe medical episode and don't have enough insurance to pay for it. So I think some charity for those cases is called for.

But otherwise, I have no sympathy for the shopaholics. I even hated taking out car loans (and I kept those cars until they just wouldn't work anymore---I've only had four cars my entire life, three of them used). So I agree with you there. .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 AM on 10/31/2008
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The rank audacity displayed by DC pols in this area is creating a foul stench in my nose this morning; wasn't it the low-life, hypocritical GOPers who were so damned adamant about making sure we irresponsible credit card holders couldn't write off our debt through bankruptcy filings???

THIS MAKES ME MAD AS HELL; once again we see the perfect example of how responsibility--from the conservative POV--is mandatory for the poor, but merely an option for the wealthy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 AM on 10/31/2008
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