Iraq Government Wants All US Troops Gone By End Of 2011

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ROBERT H. REID | October 30, 2008 06:02 PM EST | AP

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An Iraqi policeman walks in front of a damaged car from a roadside bomb in Palestine Street eastern Baghdad, Iraq, on Thursday, Oct. 30, 2008. A roadside bomb exploded, Wednesday night, in Palestine Street eastern Baghdad, targeting a police patrol, killing 3 civilians and injuring 14 others,the police said. (AP Photo/Karim Kadim)

BAGHDAD — Iraq wants to eliminate any chance U.S. forces will stay here after 2011 under a proposed security pact and to expand Iraqi legal jurisdiction over U.S. troops until then, a close ally of the prime minister said Thursday.

Those demands, which were presented to U.S. officials this week, could derail the deal _ delivering a diplomatic blow to Washington in the final weeks of the Bush administration.

Failure to reach an agreement before year's end could force a suspension of American military operations, and U.S. commanders have been warning Iraqi officials that could endanger security improvements.

The current draft, hammered out in months of tortuous negotiations, would have U.S. soldiers leave Iraq by Dec. 31, 2011, unless the two governments agreed to an extension for training and supporting Iraqi security forces.

But Ali al-Adeeb, a member of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki's inner circle, said the government wants that possibility excluded by language adding finality to the end of 2011 date.

"The Iraqi side wants to remove any mention of a possible extension of U.S. troops, fearing that the existing clause might be subject to misinterpretation or could bear different interpretation," he told The Associated Press.

Otherwise, he said the U.S. might demand an extension "depending on their evaluation" of the security situation and the state of readiness within Iraq's army and police. U.S. officials have privately suggested 2012 is too early for Iraqi forces to be truly ready to maintain order.

The draft also gives Iraqi courts limited jurisdiction over U.S. troops, allowing them to be prosecuted by Iraqis only if they are accused of major crimes committed off post and off duty.

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Al-Adeeb said the Iraqis want to add a provision for a joint U.S.-Iraqi committee to decide whether U.S. soldiers accused of such crimes were really on authorized missions.

Planning Minister Ali Baban, a Sunni, added that the Iraqis want jurisdiction over all U.S. soldiers and contractors unless they are carrying out joint military operations approved by Iraqis _ a subtle but significant change to the draft that U.S. authorities may find unacceptable.

Iraqi officials have said the changes must be made in the draft agreement before it can be approved by parliament in time for the Dec. 31 expiration of a U.N. Security Council mandate under which coalition troops operate in Iraq.

Without an agreement or a new U.N. mandate, the U.S. military would have to suspend all operations in Iraq after that.

"We are waiting for a response from the U.S. negotiators on how much they can accommodate," Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari told CNN. "I think both sides here have reached the moment of truth. The time window is closing, and a decision has to be made as soon as possible."

But the Bush administration's hope to secure the deal while in office was fading with the new Iraqi demands, despite White House assurances that an agreement was still possible.

Al-Maliki, meanwhile, met with a leading Shiite politician late Thursday to discuss the deal. Government television quoted the prime minister as describing the agreement as a framework for the pullout of U.S. forces and the regulation of "their activities within the rest of the time they're here."

"We don't call it a security pact but an agreement to withdraw the troops and organize their activities during the period of their presence in Iraq," al-Maliki was quoted as saying.

U.S. officials in Washington refused to discuss possible alternatives to securing a deal, saying they were still reviewing Iraq's proposed amendments that were received Wednesday.

But officials bristled at suggestions the negotiations could be reopened and said the U.S. was not yet considering asking the Security Council to extend the U.N. mandate.

"Once we have something to say on it, we will," State Department spokesman Robert Wood told reporters in Washington. "But for the moment, we're just taking our time in reviewing it to make sure that we've got a good sense of what it is the Iraqis have put forward."

Privately, however, U.S. officials were growing pessimistic about chances for a deal. Failure to seal a deal with Iraqi politicians who owe their position to the 2003 U.S.-led invasion would be a huge embarrassment to President Bush, whose administration was largely defined by the war.

In Baghdad, U.S. military officials have urged the Iraqis to consider what could happen here if the U.S. suspended military operations, warning that the security gains won by the blood of American and Iraqi soldiers would be at risk.

Violence is down sharply after the Sunni revolt against al-Qaida in Iraq and the routing of Shiite militias in Baghdad and southern Iraq last spring.

But U.S. and other coalition forces also provide considerable help to Iraqi ministries in infrastructure and quality of life projects that would have to stop _ along with control of the airspace and protection of Iraq's oil export facilities in the Persian Gulf.

"There's really no area that we as a coalition ... operate in that is not governed by legal authority," the U.S. military spokesman, Brig. Gen. David Perkins, told reporters.

He said the American military presence enables other international organizations, including the United Nations, and private groups to do their jobs.

"These things are all interrelated," Perkins said. "You pull one pillar out, you seriously degrade the efforts of others."

Despite the drop in violence, attacks are continuing daily.

On Thursday, a car bomb exploded near a market in north Baghdad, killing one person and wounding five, police said.

The blast occurred about a half hour after a roadside bomb went off near a police patrol at an intersection in the Fudhailiya area of east Baghdad, wounding six people, including three policemen, officials said.

All spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not supposed to release the information to media.

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Associated Press writers Matthew Lee in Washington and Sameer N. Yacoub and Qassim Abdul-Zahra in Baghdad contributed to this report.

BAGHDAD — Iraq wants to eliminate any chance U.S. forces will stay here after 2011 under a proposed security pact and to expand Iraqi legal jurisdiction over U.S. troops until then, a close ally...
BAGHDAD — Iraq wants to eliminate any chance U.S. forces will stay here after 2011 under a proposed security pact and to expand Iraqi legal jurisdiction over U.S. troops until then, a close ally...
 
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what about what our new government wants? how about yesterday?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 PM on 10/31/2008

2011??? How about 21 January 2009????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:07 AM on 10/31/2008

Let's push it two years early. Like Dec 2009.

Now u talking. Iraq gets to foot the bill beginning this January :P

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 AM on 10/31/2008

2011?

But what if we haven't found the WMD by then?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 AM on 10/31/2008

Mac 's speech to the kids'

''My dear little friends'' I graduated almost at the bottom of my class and yet I was fortunate enough to

take part in the napalming of kids and their moms just like you.

Of course, they were worthless gooks but nevertheless it shows you can become anything in America.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:57 AM on 10/31/2008
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Works for me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:51 AM on 10/31/2008
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Well, Obama wants us out too, so it should work out very nicely for all involved. Bring 'em home!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:16 AM on 10/31/2008

January 21, 2009 would work fine for me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:08 AM on 10/31/2008
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They want us to leave, then its time for us to come home.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:12 AM on 10/31/2008
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We help them stand up their new government and when it tries to act in the best interest of its sovereignty we get upset. If they want us to leave then we should leave. It is time for the Iraqis to take control of their own destiny.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 PM on 10/30/2008

WTF???

THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T OCCUPY THEIR COUNTRY INDEFINITELY???

I'M SHOCKED, SHOCKED I SAY!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:01 PM on 10/30/2008

would you want a bunch of rapers and murderers staying in your country indefinetly?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:38 AM on 10/31/2008

Categorizing a group based the acts of a few is why we are fighting a "war on terror". I believe the bulk of our troops serve with honor and dignity under extremely stressful conditions. The Iraqi government asking us to pull our troops is a perfect opportunity to pull our troops without feeling like we abandoned the mess created by our misguided government. Hopefully we will begin to correct our failed foreign policies of the past 50 years beginning in 2009.
Obama 08. Get out the vote !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:58 AM on 10/31/2008
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