McCain's Favorite Poll Of The Day, And Why It's Wrong

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October 30, 2008 06:17 PM


Fox News released a poll on Thursday showing a mere 3-point lead for Barack Obama, and McCain officials have apparently pushed the results around to some reporters, trying (again) to stir up a narrative of a GOP comeback.

Two points: 1) the Fox poll isn't evidence of a McCain comeback. And 2) contrary to some speculation online, it's highly unlikely that Fox News was trying to engineer a closer result in order to drive coverage about the race "tightening."

Though Andrew Sullivan and Marc Ambinder have correctly pointed out that the partisan balance of Fox's poll is a good reason to discount its overall reflection of voter intentions -- since it appears too many Republicans were interviewed -- there's no reason to believe that Fox came by its data via anything but traditional polling methodology.

The devil is in the verbs. "Sampling" is the process of selecting and getting responses from polled individuals. There's chance involved in this. In conducting a random sample, sometimes more women respond to the calls or interviews than men. Sometimes more Democrats respond than Republicans. "Weighting" is a pollster's term for taking a random sample of respondents and then adding additional weight to certain individuals in order to bring them proportionally in line with the broader population. Gender, race and age are examples of random variables that many pollsters "weight."

But partisan ID is not traditionally weighted by most pollsters. The Huffington Post wrote about this practice earlier this year -- during a span in which a great number of polls seemed to have over-sampled Republicans without correcting for the data on the country's partisan makeup via "weighting."

John Zogby, something of a polling maverick, weights his polls to achieve a steady partisan balance from survey to survey. Gallup, by contrast, does not weight its respected daily tracking poll in order to make it come into line with the partisan breakdown that its own research tells the firm to be true. That's the same practice among most pollsters, including, it would appear, the Fox poll.

However, that doesn't mean that any individual unweighted poll can't be drastically out of line with any number of demographic realities in the country. In polling-nerd lingo, this is called the "confidence level," or the chance that any one poll accurately reflects the pool of individuals it is attempting to sample. Most scientific polls carry a 95% confidence level -- thus meaning that there's a 1 in 20 chance that any one poll is completely screwy, for any number of reasons.

Emory University political scientiest Alan Abramowitz wrote to the Huffington Post about the Fox poll, and he clearly thinks it's an unreliable outlier.

"If you believe this poll, Democratic voters are less interested in the election than Republican voters and the likely voter pool is almost evenly divided between Democratic and Republican identifiers: 41% Democratic, 39% Republican," Abramowitz said.

Gallup's own tracking of the partisan balance in the American electorate currently has Democrats enjoying a 11-point advantage over Republicans (including the "leaners" on both sides). That's in line with the conventional wisdom, which also takes into account the Democrats' edge in voter registration.

Given those data points, any random sample in a poll -- whether taken by Fox or any other news organzation -- that shows a mere 2-point edge in partisan identification for Democrats should probably be discounted to some degree.

And until more pollsters are willing to start weighting their surveys to reflect party identification, those will just be the breaks (approximately once out of every 20 polls taken). Meantime, it might help if media outlets sponsoring polls were more up front about the potential holes in their surveys. But given the amount of money poured into each poll, that might be too much to hope for.

Fox News released a poll on Thursday showing a mere 3-point lead for Barack Obama, and McCain officials have apparently pushed the results around to some reporters, trying (again) to stir up a narrati...
Fox News released a poll on Thursday showing a mere 3-point lead for Barack Obama, and McCain officials have apparently pushed the results around to some reporters, trying (again) to stir up a narrati...
 
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If you ask me, Obama's voters need a little scare right now. Could help eliminate any complacency in the final days.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:45 PM on 11/01/2008
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Good point!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:59 AM on 11/02/2008

I am worried that the electronic fix is in and will work in any state where McCain is within five points and that Zogby will be cited as a validation for this outcome. Vote and be vigilant

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:32 PM on 11/01/2008

Are they serious? I wouldn't trust Fox if they told me it was raining and I was hip deep in water. McCain are getting desperate trying to use them as an unbiased, reliable source of poll info.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:47 PM on 11/01/2008

remember the BS coming out before the '06 race? And then Rove was forced to quit b/c he got it all wrong? Remember? Refresh your memory...
OCTOBER 28, 2006
Karl Rove's Math
By Mark Blumenthal

SIEGEL: I'm looking at all the same polls that you are looking at.

ROVE: No, you are not, no you're not, no you're not, you're not. I'm looking at 68 polls a week [for candidates for the US House and US Senate, and Governor.]** You may be looking at 4 or 5 public polls a week that talk about attitudes nationally but that do not impact the outcome of individual races.

SIEGEL: If you could name races between, certainly Senate races, all...

ROVE: Like the poll today that showing Corker's ahead in Tennessee or the poll showing Allen is pulling away in the Virginia Senate race.

SIEGEL: Leading Webb, in Virginia, yea...

ROVE: Yeah, exactly.

SIEGEL: ...you've seen the DeWine race and the Santorum race and, I don't want to...you call [the] races.

ROVE: I'm looking at all of these Robert and adding them up. I add up to a Republican Senate and Republican House. You may end up with a different math but you are entitled to your math and I'm entitled to THE math.

SIEGEL: I don't know if we're entitled to a different math but your...

ROVE: I said THE math.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:04 PM on 11/01/2008

A poll from Fox News? And I own property in the Florida Everglades that I would like to sale also...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:29 PM on 11/01/2008

This is actually great news for Obama, not McCain, because even if the poll is completely wrong (which, undoubtedly it is), it allows the Obama campaign to hammer on the get out the vote meme even further.

This election is going to be a blowout, perhaps not of Reaganesque or even Nixonesque proportion, but a blowout nonetheless. The polls I have been watching suggest it is going to be somewhere in the neighborhood of 320-30 to 218-208, and if Obama wins Florida somehow, it will be more like a 2 to 1 (like in the neighborhood of 360 to 178. The small states make the numbers wobble a bit.

But this is a no-doubter as long as people get out and vote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:49 PM on 11/01/2008

Especially young adults, who are notorious for not showing up at the polls on election day.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:30 PM on 11/01/2008

I can't WAIT to POP the Cork after all votes are counted......and CELEBRATE......the election of Barack Obama for President of the United States of America. The McFIGHT FIGHT FIGHT ERA is OVER.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:34 PM on 11/01/2008

When the article starts out "Fox News released a poll".......duh

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 PM on 11/01/2008
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Fox put Obama three percent ahead? Wow. That's really, really, REALLY bad for McCain because they only poll the uniformed who made up their minds twenty years ago.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 PM on 11/01/2008

VOTE, VOTE, VOTE, As I said before, if McThief tries to steal this election, he will be in for a rude awakening, 08 will not be a repeat of 00 and 04. Obama campaign is all over it, so don't freat, just VOTE. They are just trying to set up for the steal, but it's not going to happen this time.

Obama/Biden 08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 PM on 11/01/2008
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I Agree.... let's not let it happen again!!!!!

Get out there and VOTE VOTE VOTE!!!!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:06 AM on 11/02/2008

Polls and Lies .

THREE DAYS TO GO AND STILL NO MEDICAL RECORDS FROM PALIN

LOOKS LIKE IGNORING THIS ISSUE HAS WORKED !!!! THE MEDIA HAS NOT PRESSED HER ON OUR BEHALF AND NOW SHE IS GETTING AWAY WITH IT >>> ANOTHER BUSH/CHENEY TACTIC


IGNORE THE PEOPLE AND THE GIVE UP!!!!

For a well-written and factual BLOG on why this is important .. take a few minutes to read THIS ... then write to all the NEWS agencies and DEMAND that they NOT LET PALIN GET AWAY with this!!

This lady makes sense! http://www.palindeception.com/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 AM on 11/01/2008

Speaking of Polls, Drudge Report is running a header that the Zogby shows a one day 48-47 McCain lead. But Zogby's site does not show that number spread at all.

??? Does anybody know what they are talking about?

ZOGBY HOME PAGE GRID SHOWS Last Day : Obama 49.1%, McCain 44.1% FOR 10/31...WHERE IS THE ONE POINT DIFFERENCE (48-47)they refer to ..??? Day before wasa bout bigger 1 pt spread but no day shows 48-47????

Can anybody figure this out?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:46 AM on 11/01/2008

Pollster John Zogby: "Is McCain making a move? The three-day average holds steady, but McCain outpolled Obama today, 48% to 47%. He is beginning to cut into Obama's lead among independents, is now leading among blue collar voters, has strengthened his lead among investors and among men, and is walloping Obama among NASCAR voters. Joe the Plumber may get his license after all. "Obama's lead among women declined, and it looks like it is occurring because McCain is solidifying the support of conservative women, which is something we saw last time McCain picked up in the polls. If McCain has a good day tomorrow, we will eliminate Obama's good day three days ago, and we could really see some tightening in this rolling average. But for now, hold on."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 PM on 11/01/2008

I don't think we'll have to worry about the Zogby poll. It looks like the Drudge took Zogby's findings out of context and cherry-picked the data he wanted to show McCain ahead. How disappointed he and his followers will be when they see Zogby's news release for today, Nov. 2, 2008, which states in part:

"Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby Poll: One Day Is Not A Trend: Obama Holds His Lead" [Nov 2, 2008]

"Obama 49.5%, McCain 43.8%

"After a strong day of polling for Republican presidential candidate John McCain on Friday, Democrat Barack Obama experienced a strong single day of polling on Saturday, retaining a 5.7 point advantage that is right at the edge of the margin of error of the Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby daily tracking poll. The race has remained remarkably stable down the stretch, this three-day rolling average poll shows.

"Pollster John Zogby: 'Obama has consolidated his lead over McCain. His single day lead today was back to 52%-42%. [...]

'So what happened to give McCain a one-point lead in the one-day polling on Friday? It was a day of consolidation for him, too.

'Remember, as I said yesterday, one day does not make a trend. This is a three-day rolling average and no changes have been tectonic. A special note to blogger friends: calm it down. [...]"

See it for yourself here:
http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1627

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:40 AM on 11/02/2008
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Why 'wal-mart women' won't save McPow.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/166680?from=rss

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:22 AM on 11/01/2008

Today's Zogby poll has McCain moving into the lead in one day: 48%-47%. I wonder if Zogby's wrong, too, of if independents are starting to break for McCain. Zogby says "He is beginning to cut into Obama's lead among independents, is now leading among blue collar voters, has strengthened his lead among investors and among men, and is walloping Obama among NASCAR voters..."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:19 AM on 11/01/2008
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Zogby weighs their results far too heavily for what I think is a real lack of Republican identification. That lack is no surprise considering the toll eights years of Republican misrule has taken on the party so they're operating from a very archaic model.

And Fox... well... they should be registered as a Political Action Committee for the Republican Party.

Take both sources with an extreme measure of salt.

But, even then, "Vote! Vote! Vote!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 PM on 11/01/2008



I will. But this is the time when the undecideds start breaking for one candidate or the other. I'm no expert on weighting, but it's not so unlikely to imagine the undecideds going with McCain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:09 PM on 11/01/2008

Look at the details: one day for Zogby is an attempt to reach only 400 people (at best 8 people per state), and the results from those they do reach are "adjusted" to account for the ones who don't answer the phone. Even if they contacted all 400 people, 47% vs. 48% is a difference of 4 people. But because they don't have to reach everyone they try and fudge the result to account for that, the difference could be as low as 1 person. And 400 is not a statistically significant sample anyway. Further, it's Zogby, who has a poor reputation among other pollsters. They have long claimed he fudges his numbers and interviews mostly self-sellected people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:58 PM on 11/01/2008
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SShhhh don't tell mcCant he is wrong, let him keep thinking he is winning and all is bright and dandy. I will say however that polls. The polls that kerry won on election day he lost to Bush

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 PM on 10/31/2008
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3 more days.....Obama/Biden 08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 PM on 10/31/2008
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