Could Virginia Become The Next Florida?

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First Posted: 11- 2-08 08:31 PM   |   Updated: 12- 3-08 05:12 AM

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Virginia Governor Tim Kaine's administration says the battleground state's election apparatus is ready for a historic turnout on Tuesday. Count NAACP Executive Director Benjamin Jealous among the unconvinced.

Though the civil rights organization halted its legal action against the state late last week as it reviewed Virginia's final tally of voter machines and other infrastructure preparations, Jealous says the state's "quote-unquote new data" hasn't satisfied the group -- which claims that minority polling places appear destined for prohibitively longer lines on Tuesday. "It shows that same old problem; there's an insufficient number of machines," Jealous told the Huffington Post.

Describing Kaine's Democratic administration as "surprisingly obstinate" on the matter, Jealous said the NAACP decided on Friday to resume its legal action, which calls on the state to extend voting hours on Nov. 4, as well as print more backup paper ballots in case lines for electronic voting machines prove too long for working-class citizens to wait in.

"It's a small thing, but they've refused to even print more paper ballots," Jealous said.

That's a confusing stance to observers who remember Chesterfield county's experience during the 2008 primary, in which polling sites ran out of paper ballots due to extraordinary voter demand.

Judith Browne-Dianis, a co-director of the Advancement Project, which is working with the NAACP in its attempt to secure a temporary injunction on Monday, says that the state only has enough paper ballots to take up the slack in cases of "machine malfunction." She puts that number at somewhere near 10 percent of all voters. But if, as Browne-Dianis fears, a great many more citizens will have no recourse if they are unable to cast ballots because of historic lines and voting hours that are not extended.

"They have said that they're prepared, and the Governor has said 'you wait in line for Starbucks. be prepared to wait.' But there's this tension, of course. Yes, you have to wait. The question becomes at what point does it become an undue burden on the right to vote."

Kaine's administration has said that it doesn't have the power to extend voting hours. But Browne-Dianis notes that, due to Virginia's classification under the Voting Rights Act, that the Governor could already have applied -- and could still apply Monday -- to have the Department of Justice or the federal courts grant him that capability.

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At 3:15 Monday afternoon, the parties will meet to argue their respective cases in front of a judge. Even that timing is something of a sore spot. "We'd like to be in there at 9 a.m., OK?" Browne-Dianis said. Still, she claims, even if the NAACP's quest for a temporary injunction is successful in the afternoon, there could still be time to print more paper ballots for Virginia voters.

Let's put it this way, we met with [the state] last week, and we did not hear any objections in our discussions with them -- as to the idea that it's just not feasible [to print more ballots]," Browne-Dianis said. "Not that they're not going to say that tomorrow [in court]. But there's also a provision in state law for the Xeroxing of ballots. Which if they run out of ballots, that's what they should do."

Browne-Dianis also said she expects Gov. Kaine to file a motion to dismiss himself from the case. "The state [election] board has really kind of taken the position of 'we're ready and you're too late.' The thing is we started these discussions with them at the beginning of October. We tried to get information about their plans, and made our first request in July. Instead they keep tweaking their plans."

Still, in heavily minority precincts, Browne-Dianis claims there are about 18 percent more voters per voting machine than in Virginia's mostly Caucasian precincts.

And while Virginia is required to have one voter machine available for every 750 voters, the Advancement Project director notes that in Ohio, there is a directive requiring a machine for every 175 voters. "Ohio learned its lesson," she said. "And we should be looking at Ohio. They should know what doesn't work and what does work."

Browne-Dianis doesn't see malevolence at the heart of Virginia's preparation. "The bottom line is that Virginia is a first-time battleground. They're under-resourced, and do not have enough machines. And the fact is that they didn't move very quickly to seek pre-clearance to extend voting hours."

So could Virginia instigate a voting controversy of Florida-style proportions?

"Yes, I think so," Browne-Dianis said.

Virginia Governor Tim Kaine's administration says the battleground state's election apparatus is ready for a historic turnout on Tuesday. Count NAACP Executive Director Benjamin Jealous among the unco...
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See, this is why we should have had early voting here in the VA.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:41 AM on 11/03/2008
- SCVADem I'm a Fan of SCVADem 15 fans permalink
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Amen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 AM on 11/03/2008
- elcojonu I'm a Fan of elcojonu 28 fans permalink

Folks, keep a pair of confortable shoes close by your front door just in case we have to hit the streets.
No more 2000 & 2004.
If they get away with it a THIRD time it's over for Democracy in this Country; it'll be everyone for himself .
No one will be able to predict what could happen.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:36 AM on 11/03/2008
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These republicans are going to do whatever they can to keep you from voting. It is what they do. Please remain vigilant and vote them out of office for good!

http://billmel8er.wordpress.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:33 AM on 11/03/2008

If Senator Obama wins, I hope Governor Kaine is NOT appointed to a Cabinet position.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:52 AM on 11/03/2008
- jobecky20 I'm a Fan of jobecky20 5 fans permalink
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Me too

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:09 AM on 11/03/2008

I live in Hampton, VA . I own a small business and have told my employees to stay in line and vote. Don't worry about work, I will pay you. We'll vote here no matter how long it takes. Obama has to win, and Joe Biden will be a great VP.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:42 AM on 11/03/2008
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Thank You Sir or Ma'am! More employers need to do their civic duty as you have. My hat's off to you!

http://billmel8er.wordpress.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:36 AM on 11/03/2008
- SCVADem I'm a Fan of SCVADem 15 fans permalink
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Thank you!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:22 AM on 11/03/2008
- Cloud30 I'm a Fan of Cloud30 14 fans permalink

Thank you so much for what you're doing. We need more employers like you. I just came to VA from NY to GOTV! Let's turn VA blue!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 AM on 11/03/2008

This is an interesting article. I live in rural central Virginia (Louisa county) where, according to the local paper, we have one voting machine per 450 voters, more or less. At the rural church where I vote, I have never had to wait more than 10 or 15 minutes (in '02, '04, '06, and the '08 primary). When I was at the Obama rally in Richmond, we had to wait for about 1 1/2 hours to get into the colosseum. The folks who I was waiting with in line (mostly African-American) were joking that this line was nothing compared to what it would be like on election day. I did an (admittedly very informal) poll of the people near me in the line, and learned that most of them, again mostly black, have to wait in line at least an hour every time they go to vote. I guess this is how they do it in Virginia-- make it easy for the white folx and hard for the black folx, it still is the Old South after all.
BTW, I know that Obama isn't going to carry Louisa county, but there is a huge Democratic outreach and GOTV effort, which has NEVER happened in this part of the state. I think the Dems are going to rack up enough votes here in "Jesusland" which can be added to Obama's massive advantage in Richmond, Petersburg, Norfolk, etc., and finally tilt the commonwealth.
Vote Vote Vote!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:40 AM on 11/03/2008
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I hope so. Up here in MI, it's not even a contest. I could walk from here to Grand Rapids, ~100 miles, and I probaby wouldn't run into a single republican. And I myself have never stood in line more than 15 minutes or so to vote. I find it uncanny that there would not be enough machines to keep the wait down to an hour or so unless it is a deliberate attempt to disenfranchise voters.

One would think, this being the year 2007, that our society would have moved beyond racism, voter disenfranchisement, and many of the other social ills that plague us. The ones that keep them alive are the ones that still have the power and that need to be run out of office for good. Vote the republicans out!

http://billmel8er.wordpress.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:47 AM on 11/03/2008
- TKFraz I'm a Fan of TKFraz 2 fans permalink

Saturday in South Carolina at the Elections Commission = 5 hour + wait for me:

YOU CAN DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!

Do NOT get discouraged. Hang tight!!!

Prepare for the longest, amusement park-like wait ever.

Bring:
1. FOLDING lawn/park CHAIR (a must!!!!)
2. Fruit, snacks, water/fluids.
3. Something to read
4. Something to hear (audio book; iPod)
5. Something to do (Game Boy; Knitting; etc.)

***Remember this while standing there: This is your service to our nation. Non military or military, young or old, rich or poor, gay or straight, white, black, latino, asian, native American, able or disabled

--- You do this this for all of us, so thank you in advance!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:49 AM on 11/03/2008
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**************************************************************************************
*FLORIDA**FLORIDA**FLORIDA**FLORIDA**FLORIDA**FLORIDA*

VOTE TODAY VOTE TODAY VOTE TODAY VOTE TODAY VOTE TODAY

THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE IS URGING YOU TO GO TO YOUR POLLING PLACE AND VOTE TODAY-DONT WAIT TILL TUESDAY!

What this boils down to is that if there are any waits or difficulties it is better to find out and address them on Monday so you can return on Tuesday to get things resolved if absolutely necessary. Take your friends, too,vote early and just get it out of the way! We need a massive turnout to win this thing. Florida, it is up to you! This will help elect OBAMA and the DEMs. Also, be sure to vote for do.wn ticket Democrats as well. VOTERS: LET'S SEAL THE DEAL TODAY!

Here is some Florida Info on Bradblog: http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6583

*********************************************************************************
NOTE: Will someone on the East Coast cut and paste and post this a few times an hour up until when polls close Eastern Time today. I live in Pacific Time and have to cra.sh now for a few hours and wont be able to do it. Thanks!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:42 AM on 11/03/2008
- Rog49Thomas I'm a Fan of Rog49Thomas 193 fans permalink

This month's Washingtonian Magazine had an article suggesting that N VA secede and form its own state.

Maybe they knew something they didn't mention in the article.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:34 AM on 11/03/2008
- Rog49Thomas I'm a Fan of Rog49Thomas 193 fans permalink

I don't understand this at all.

The guy's a Democrat.

This is the party of inclusion of ensuring that everyone has a right to vote.

And he won't take some precautions to ensure everyone gets to vote.

He's not related to the genius in Florida who designed the butterfly ballot is he?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:31 AM on 11/03/2008
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Virginia could be the next Florida. This is why we must vote in numbers so large that no question will remain about who is the winner!

-LoOK
http://lastofourkind.blogspot.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:02 AM on 11/03/2008
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I totally agree!

Let's get out there and VOTE!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:08 AM on 11/03/2008
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:33 AM on 11/03/2008

Yes, this is key. Fortunately turnout is projected to be around 90% per WTOP radio. I usually listen to Air America but "coincidentally" all I got there today was static. This happened just before the 2006 elections when Webb beat Allen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:43 AM on 11/03/2008
- grf67 I'm a Fan of grf67 40 fans permalink

We hope not. Although Virginia can be separated in Northern VA and ROVA (Rest of Virginia), VGirginia is run like a state while Florida is run like a third world country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:40 AM on 11/03/2008
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I commented on the system we have in South Africa here

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/02/mccain-adviser-cant-name_n_140123.html?show_comment_id=17561477#comment_17561477

This issue seems to come about every two years and remains a problem.

Shouldn't you folk be petitioning the government to get this sorted? Surely it does not take 2 years to rectify a "trivial issue" such as voter disenfranchisement?

Can Americans be this complacent?

Seems you can GOTV but not Get the vote Cast FAIRLY and unambiguously???

If you direct the same level of effort as the GOTV towards govt in petitions, then surely something can be done to fix this once and for all.

That of course assuming Barrack wins - I understand the GOP voter suppression tactics. Now is your chance, don't wait until 2009/2010

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:05 AM on 11/03/2008

The elderly, the disabled, the working class poor who cannot afford to miss out on their wages - do NOT wait in line at Starbucks for hours on end. If this is indeed what the Governor's office has said, it is disgracefully ignorant.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:50 AM on 11/03/2008
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Actually, if that's what he said, it's a really shocking statement. First of all, no-one ever really NEEDS to get to the head of the line in Starbucks (and I speak as someone who can barely speak in the mornings until my 2nd cup of coffee!), whereas citizens do NEED to vote. So no big deal if you step out of the coffee line because it's taking too long: very big deal indeed if you have to give up your chance to vote.

But more generally, this statement equates being a consumer (in Starbucks) with being a citizen (voting). Anyone in an elected office who doesn't understand how flat out wrong, offensive and dangerous that equation is should resign. Immediately.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:16 AM on 11/03/2008
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All the more reason to stay in that line and vote the SOB out!

http://billmel8er.wordpress.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:01 AM on 11/03/2008
- jobecky20 I'm a Fan of jobecky20 5 fans permalink
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Well I am just glad Obama didn't pick Kaine as his VP.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:11 AM on 11/03/2008
- kfdan I'm a Fan of kfdan 23 fans permalink
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The Republicans do not want a large turnout and will do whatever they can to stop it. One way to do so is to simply make it difficult via too few machines and too few polling stations.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:49 AM on 11/03/2008
- BillCarson I'm a Fan of BillCarson 5 fans permalink
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I call it the "Long Lines" tactic. The democrats have known about it since at least 2004.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr wrote about it in http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10432334/was_the_2004_election_stolenstolen .. I have it listed as one of the election dirty tricks tactics: http://chumppolitics.blogspot.com/2008/09/chumps-guide-to-voting-in-america.html

Here in Oregon we vote by mail. No lines at all. So why hasn't the rest of the country fixed the problem in the last four years?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:54 AM on 11/03/2008
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Precisely.... ppl WAKE UP!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:05 AM on 11/03/2008
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