Could Virginia Become The Next Florida?

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First Posted: 11- 2-08 08:31 PM   |   Updated: 12- 3-08 05:12 AM

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Virginia Governor Tim Kaine's administration says the battleground state's election apparatus is ready for a historic turnout on Tuesday. Count NAACP Executive Director Benjamin Jealous among the unconvinced.

Though the civil rights organization halted its legal action against the state late last week as it reviewed Virginia's final tally of voter machines and other infrastructure preparations, Jealous says the state's "quote-unquote new data" hasn't satisfied the group -- which claims that minority polling places appear destined for prohibitively longer lines on Tuesday. "It shows that same old problem; there's an insufficient number of machines," Jealous told the Huffington Post.

Describing Kaine's Democratic administration as "surprisingly obstinate" on the matter, Jealous said the NAACP decided on Friday to resume its legal action, which calls on the state to extend voting hours on Nov. 4, as well as print more backup paper ballots in case lines for electronic voting machines prove too long for working-class citizens to wait in.

"It's a small thing, but they've refused to even print more paper ballots," Jealous said.

That's a confusing stance to observers who remember Chesterfield county's experience during the 2008 primary, in which polling sites ran out of paper ballots due to extraordinary voter demand.

Judith Browne-Dianis, a co-director of the Advancement Project, which is working with the NAACP in its attempt to secure a temporary injunction on Monday, says that the state only has enough paper ballots to take up the slack in cases of "machine malfunction." She puts that number at somewhere near 10 percent of all voters. But if, as Browne-Dianis fears, a great many more citizens will have no recourse if they are unable to cast ballots because of historic lines and voting hours that are not extended.

"They have said that they're prepared, and the Governor has said 'you wait in line for Starbucks. be prepared to wait.' But there's this tension, of course. Yes, you have to wait. The question becomes at what point does it become an undue burden on the right to vote."

Kaine's administration has said that it doesn't have the power to extend voting hours. But Browne-Dianis notes that, due to Virginia's classification under the Voting Rights Act, that the Governor could already have applied -- and could still apply Monday -- to have the Department of Justice or the federal courts grant him that capability.

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At 3:15 Monday afternoon, the parties will meet to argue their respective cases in front of a judge. Even that timing is something of a sore spot. "We'd like to be in there at 9 a.m., OK?" Browne-Dianis said. Still, she claims, even if the NAACP's quest for a temporary injunction is successful in the afternoon, there could still be time to print more paper ballots for Virginia voters.

Let's put it this way, we met with [the state] last week, and we did not hear any objections in our discussions with them -- as to the idea that it's just not feasible [to print more ballots]," Browne-Dianis said. "Not that they're not going to say that tomorrow [in court]. But there's also a provision in state law for the Xeroxing of ballots. Which if they run out of ballots, that's what they should do."

Browne-Dianis also said she expects Gov. Kaine to file a motion to dismiss himself from the case. "The state [election] board has really kind of taken the position of 'we're ready and you're too late.' The thing is we started these discussions with them at the beginning of October. We tried to get information about their plans, and made our first request in July. Instead they keep tweaking their plans."

Still, in heavily minority precincts, Browne-Dianis claims there are about 18 percent more voters per voting machine than in Virginia's mostly Caucasian precincts.

And while Virginia is required to have one voter machine available for every 750 voters, the Advancement Project director notes that in Ohio, there is a directive requiring a machine for every 175 voters. "Ohio learned its lesson," she said. "And we should be looking at Ohio. They should know what doesn't work and what does work."

Browne-Dianis doesn't see malevolence at the heart of Virginia's preparation. "The bottom line is that Virginia is a first-time battleground. They're under-resourced, and do not have enough machines. And the fact is that they didn't move very quickly to seek pre-clearance to extend voting hours."

So could Virginia instigate a voting controversy of Florida-style proportions?

"Yes, I think so," Browne-Dianis said.

Virginia Governor Tim Kaine's administration says the battleground state's election apparatus is ready for a historic turnout on Tuesday. Count NAACP Executive Director Benjamin Jealous among the unco...
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there really is no excuse. we have known for months that there would be record turnout and unless we made accommodations for it that there would be problems, maybe even constitutional problems. Shame on us and on governments -- and I anticipate that there will be similar problems in my state -- California. Open the polls an hour earlier would be a start. Put out the word to attorneys that their voluntary services are needed for a day or two to help. (It is not rocket science)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:37 AM on 11/03/2008
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This may be the place to get an answer to something I've been wondering about (I'm not American) ever since these kind of stories began appearing: what will the opening hours of the polling stations be on Nov 4th?

The calls to extend voting hours has made me wonder what the standard hours are. In most European countries these days, polling runs from 7am till 10pm (it used to be 9am till 10pm, but they introduced early morning voting about 10 years ago so that people could vote before work, and it's very popular).

If US voting hours are much shorter than that, it could explain why I'm seeing all these stories about long lines: I've voted many times in 2 European countries over the years, and never once waited more than 5 minutes. If the US is having such long lines, why doesn't it just introduce longer hours?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:25 AM on 11/03/2008
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One of the biggest problems in the United States is that each state has different election policies, methods, and hours. This goes back to the original idea that we are a single nation made up of individual states with their own sovereignty.

That is the "surface" issue.

Beneath that, unfortunately, is a long standing desire by the party currently in power in the United States to suppress the overall vote count. It is well known among those who run campaigns that the greater the voter turnout, the more likely the Democratic Party is favored. If it is possible to strongly suppress the vote overall, and to suppress the vote in districts where there is a high majority of working class, minority, and students, then the Republican Party has a better chance of being able to show a "majority" of the vote.

It is a disgrace, and we who have worked on this issue for years apologize to the rest of the world that must bear the consequences just as much as we do.

If you are a US citizen, and you are registered to vote, then VOTE as if your life depends on it--especially if you are someone who works a low-wage job, it does. Plan to wait for hours. Don't leave without casting your ballot. We need you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:56 AM on 11/03/2008
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Hold on. I thought Tim Kaine was a Democrat. You know, one that wants every vote counted. One that wants Obama in the Whitehouse.

Is he getting some money from the Republicans?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:14 AM on 11/03/2008
- fiorastar I'm a Fan of fiorastar 64 fans permalink
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More likely threats.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:57 AM on 11/03/2008

There is NO EXCUSE in this day and age that people should have to wait more than five minutes to exercise their Constitutional right. Open more polling centers, extend hours, have internet voting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:48 AM on 11/03/2008
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Exactly, wonder why this isn't happening....

*cough*corruption*cough*

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:06 AM on 11/03/2008

Why don't they just scan and Email their ballot to a Kinko's from each precinct? FedEx will deliver them to the polling places by noon tomorrow for about $20 I expect. I'll pay the $20 if it avoids a special session for appropriations. All the lawyers have to do tomorrow is ask the bailiff to call Kinko's. I have some old shoe boxes I can lend them. The plantation owners' tax base can buy enough machines so Whitey don't gotta wait but five minutes to vote, but maybe you could sell it to the Bush-appointed magistrate as a way to cut down on loitering. Of course, we never had to scale such humongous molehills when Nathan Bedford Forest and his progeny, Mr. Poll Tax, ran elections. Sure, we put men on the Moon but we did have to negligently incinerate a few astronauts along the way, despite the unheeded warnings from NASA engineers. It's American know-how.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:48 AM on 11/03/2008

I don´t get it. I have been voting for the past 15 years. It never ever took me more than 10 minutes wether it was an election on national, regional or subregional level.( Germany)

Good luck to you, if we had an another Obama here instead of this dreadful Merkel I probably wouldn´t mind waiting this long.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:17 AM on 11/03/2008

But Dubya wants to rub her shoulders. MEEEOW!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:50 AM on 11/03/2008

Read this and spread the link around :

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122567152289691823.html

It's a collection of advices for tomorrow. I know it's already on Huffington ... but ... get as many people as possible to read it!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 AM on 11/03/2008
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:33 AM on 11/03/2008
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The definition of insanity is to do the same things (in this case nothing) and expect the same result.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 AM on 11/03/2008

Actually, the definition of Insanity is: "With respect to the acts in question, the person is unable to know the nature and quality of his acts, or unable to know the difference between right and wrong with respect to such acts" (or breach of duty). If you look at the court pleadings rationalizing voting obstruction, you might find the legal definition of Insanity applies here. However, most forensic psychologists would evaluate such government misfeasance as more consistent with a disorder of psychopathy, albeit with narcissistic features.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:15 AM on 11/03/2008
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The sad and once again sickening disenfranchisement of the American voter began weeks ago and continues right through the end of this election and beyond. If you are Obama you should not be smiling at those polls if for this reason only. Aside from the purged lists and inevitable ballots that will be tossed out, aside from the buttons pushed on voting machines for Obama that will go to McCain, (yes that's right, it is not just happening on the Simpsons), the length of the voting lines, the snails pace at which they are moving are sickeningly slow now, and will come to a screeching halt on Tuesday. To think that this once great, now sickening country has never chosen to fix, REALLY FIX, its election procedure and laws, to think that this now sickening country still IMAGINES that 200+ million voters can take off work and school on one day, and get to the polls to cast their vote in 12 hours on one day, ONE DAY, and a weekday at that.
That is DISENFRANCHISEMENT, now matter how it is being done, THAT IS FRAUD and THAT IS SICKENING.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:46 AM on 11/03/2008
- Pete2069 I'm a Fan of Pete2069 25 fans permalink

If the results of 2000 , 2004 and all the races before , between and after has not told them something ,, then you can forget it..
If one can not see the Pelosi and Reid , along with the blue dogs , Schumer , Feinstein do not really have the democratic interest at heart , then you are blind...
How arrogant can someone be to state in 2006 that impeachment was off the table for Bush and Cheney before they took the majority before the 2006 election....
And then on public television to state that "if they saw any possible criminal crimes committed by Bush and company they would put impeachment on the table..
You have to realize this statement was even made after Kucinich had entered 35 articles of impeachment against Bush and the house put it on the shelf...
These democrats have to be replaced in the primary election ASAP..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 AM on 11/03/2008
- wendynyc I'm a Fan of wendynyc 13 fans permalink

Wont it serve those folks - Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Howard Dean and all the rest - as a wake up call if this happens again??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 PM on 11/02/2008
- blastit I'm a Fan of blastit 13 fans permalink

This is such bullshiot, the election is on tuesday, why wait until the last minute everyone knows that this election we are going to have record numbers of people voting, they already know those machines are a peice of crap, and they won't extend hours or have more paper ballots printed up , this is a load of bull.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 PM on 11/02/2008
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Just finished watching "Recount" on HBO and boy am I pissed! Al Gore was ROBBED; we can not and must not allow the Rethuglicans STEAL another election!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 PM on 11/02/2008
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I don't understand why Gov Kaine's administration has issues with printing extra ballots just in case the machines get overrun or malfunction.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:37 PM on 11/02/2008
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The difference is that in Florida both the Governor and Secretary of State were republicans, in Virginia they're both Democrats.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:23 PM on 11/02/2008

Incompetence is incompetence... not enough machines is a problem WHATEVER the cause.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 PM on 11/02/2008
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