Could Virginia Become The Next Florida?

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First Posted: 11- 2-08 08:31 PM   |   Updated: 12- 3-08 05:12 AM

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Virginia Governor Tim Kaine's administration says the battleground state's election apparatus is ready for a historic turnout on Tuesday. Count NAACP Executive Director Benjamin Jealous among the unconvinced.

Though the civil rights organization halted its legal action against the state late last week as it reviewed Virginia's final tally of voter machines and other infrastructure preparations, Jealous says the state's "quote-unquote new data" hasn't satisfied the group -- which claims that minority polling places appear destined for prohibitively longer lines on Tuesday. "It shows that same old problem; there's an insufficient number of machines," Jealous told the Huffington Post.

Describing Kaine's Democratic administration as "surprisingly obstinate" on the matter, Jealous said the NAACP decided on Friday to resume its legal action, which calls on the state to extend voting hours on Nov. 4, as well as print more backup paper ballots in case lines for electronic voting machines prove too long for working-class citizens to wait in.

"It's a small thing, but they've refused to even print more paper ballots," Jealous said.

That's a confusing stance to observers who remember Chesterfield county's experience during the 2008 primary, in which polling sites ran out of paper ballots due to extraordinary voter demand.

Judith Browne-Dianis, a co-director of the Advancement Project, which is working with the NAACP in its attempt to secure a temporary injunction on Monday, says that the state only has enough paper ballots to take up the slack in cases of "machine malfunction." She puts that number at somewhere near 10 percent of all voters. But if, as Browne-Dianis fears, a great many more citizens will have no recourse if they are unable to cast ballots because of historic lines and voting hours that are not extended.

"They have said that they're prepared, and the Governor has said 'you wait in line for Starbucks. be prepared to wait.' But there's this tension, of course. Yes, you have to wait. The question becomes at what point does it become an undue burden on the right to vote."

Kaine's administration has said that it doesn't have the power to extend voting hours. But Browne-Dianis notes that, due to Virginia's classification under the Voting Rights Act, that the Governor could already have applied -- and could still apply Monday -- to have the Department of Justice or the federal courts grant him that capability.

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At 3:15 Monday afternoon, the parties will meet to argue their respective cases in front of a judge. Even that timing is something of a sore spot. "We'd like to be in there at 9 a.m., OK?" Browne-Dianis said. Still, she claims, even if the NAACP's quest for a temporary injunction is successful in the afternoon, there could still be time to print more paper ballots for Virginia voters.

Let's put it this way, we met with [the state] last week, and we did not hear any objections in our discussions with them -- as to the idea that it's just not feasible [to print more ballots]," Browne-Dianis said. "Not that they're not going to say that tomorrow [in court]. But there's also a provision in state law for the Xeroxing of ballots. Which if they run out of ballots, that's what they should do."

Browne-Dianis also said she expects Gov. Kaine to file a motion to dismiss himself from the case. "The state [election] board has really kind of taken the position of 'we're ready and you're too late.' The thing is we started these discussions with them at the beginning of October. We tried to get information about their plans, and made our first request in July. Instead they keep tweaking their plans."

Still, in heavily minority precincts, Browne-Dianis claims there are about 18 percent more voters per voting machine than in Virginia's mostly Caucasian precincts.

And while Virginia is required to have one voter machine available for every 750 voters, the Advancement Project director notes that in Ohio, there is a directive requiring a machine for every 175 voters. "Ohio learned its lesson," she said. "And we should be looking at Ohio. They should know what doesn't work and what does work."

Browne-Dianis doesn't see malevolence at the heart of Virginia's preparation. "The bottom line is that Virginia is a first-time battleground. They're under-resourced, and do not have enough machines. And the fact is that they didn't move very quickly to seek pre-clearance to extend voting hours."

So could Virginia instigate a voting controversy of Florida-style proportions?

"Yes, I think so," Browne-Dianis said.

Virginia Governor Tim Kaine's administration says the battleground state's election apparatus is ready for a historic turnout on Tuesday. Count NAACP Executive Director Benjamin Jealous among the unco...
Virginia Governor Tim Kaine's administration says the battleground state's election apparatus is ready for a historic turnout on Tuesday. Count NAACP Executive Director Benjamin Jealous among the unco...
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For fair voting.

http://videothevote.org/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 PM on 11/02/2008
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Final USA TODAY/Gallup estimate: Obama, 53%; McCain, 42% 02 Nov 2008 Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama leads Republican John McCain by 11 percentage points in the last USA TODAY/Gallup national poll of likely voters before Election Day. With less than two days to go before polls open, the contenders' support is estimated to be: Obama, 53%; McCain, 42%.

Gallup Daily: Obama Continues to Outpace McCain --Holds 8-point lead among "traditional likely voters" 02 Nov 2008 Voters' presidential preferences remain favorable to a Barack Obama win on Tuesday, with 51% of traditional likely voters supporting the Democratic nominee for president, and 43% backing John McCain. An additional 1% say they support some other candidate, leaving 5% undecided.

DO NOT LET THEM STEAL IT AGAIN!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 PM on 11/02/2008
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Oh my GOD. They ARE stealing it AGAIN!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 PM on 11/02/2008
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I'm in Virginia, and there's nothing but Obama support here, Obama has my state for sure.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:07 PM on 11/02/2008
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i hope so.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:23 AM on 11/03/2008
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I agree. I live in SW Virginia, and while I see a lot of McCain support here, the Obama support is impressive for this "neck of the woods".

As a side note, I asked our local 7-11, and they said they sell FAR more of their Obama coffee cups than they do their McCain cups.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 AM on 11/03/2008

I don't know where in Virginia you are, but that definitely isn't the case in the Chester area of Chesterfield County. I'm a native Virginian who has lived in Chesterfield most of my life and in Chester for the past 4 years.

My wife and I have been working for the Obama campaign as volunteer precinct captains and there are a lot of people in my area who are hard-core McCain supporters. I'm reasonably confident that Virginia as a whole is going to go blue, but I don't think my precinct will or much of Chesterfield County.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 PM on 11/03/2008
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Lets just hope we can get enough voters out elsewhere so we won't need Virginia. That doesn't mean be complacent in Virginia, however. We don't need complacency anywhere.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 PM on 11/02/2008
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No we cannot have complacency anywhere.

McCain is, they are saying, too happy and smiling. We cannot trust them, the Republicans cannot steal another election from us.

EVERYONE VOTE STAND IN LINE TAKE SODAS AND SNACKS SUPPORT EACH OTHER IN LINE

OUR LIVES TRULY DEPEND ON OBAMA WINNING THIS ELECTION

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:50 AM on 11/03/2008

REAL AMERICANS want REAL JUSTICE and fair and equal access to the democratic process for ALL AMERICANS. This is no joke. The republicans are gearing up to steal this election with the help of Diebold, the Bush/Cheney controlled DOJ, and citizen apathy and non action. It is our country, it is our society - the republicans have no exclusive claim on America. We need to take our country back from these cheating, dishonest, degenerate thugs.

VOTE! Don't let anyone stop you! VOTE! If you are in a precinct with Diebold electronic cheating machines, insist on using a paper ballot. They're trying to steal our democracy, they're trying to subvert our nation. WE OUTNUMBER THEM! They can only get away with it if we let them.

Keep hope alive, vote the future, not the past, and let's reclaim the ideals of America! OBAMA 2008

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 PM on 11/02/2008

A little off-topic, but worth noting..

I was at the Saturday Poll Worker training at the Fairfax County Govt Center and MIchelle Brickner (GOP Elections person I believe), sent out a mass email calling for GOP volunteers to serve at Absentee Vote Counting workers on Tuesday.. the turn out was huge - looks like the GOP is on top of their count/recount personell.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:22 PM on 11/02/2008
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Get ready for McCain's new campaign savior: "Chad the Disputed Ballot."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:21 PM on 11/02/2008
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Could Democrats become the next Democrats?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 PM on 11/02/2008
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What?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:03 PM on 11/02/2008

Virginia is gone. They have 9% undecided which is all white votes in the areas other than Northern Virginia. i wrote the Obama campaign to let them know that the the socialist meme was gaining traction and that they need to push back harder on it. Oh well. NC is gone too, for the same reason.
Obama peaked a week too soon.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 PM on 11/02/2008

Whatever.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 PM on 11/02/2008
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ShawnMichel: Good answer for out of work coal miners in Va. Yeah they really want Obama. They can unionize empty coal mines.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 AM on 11/03/2008
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Umm..nice try. Union areas are Southwestern VA are solidly behind Senator Obama, the train unions are joined up with the teamsters and they are behind Obama...Senator Obama has been throughout Southern and and Southwestern VA as well as Tidewater and more times than Senator McCain. We have popular former Governor Mark Warner lambasting Republican Jim Glimore in the Senatorial Campaign. Northern VA, Richmond, and the large portion of Tidewater will give Senator Obama the win in VA.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 PM on 11/02/2008
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You don't need a union if the Industry cannot afford to operate (see above reference on Obama's stupid interview about making mining coal unaffordable).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:02 AM on 11/03/2008
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These are the same union types that ruined the Auto industry. And America invented the Auto and the Union killed the industry.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 AM on 11/03/2008
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>Virginia is gone

The latest polls show Obama with 51% of the vote, that's all you need.
http://www.electoral-vote.com/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:33 PM on 11/02/2008
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Now that the Obama taped interview with San Francisco Chronicle on January 17, 2008 has been released, quoting Obama saying that he would bankrupt Coal Mines anywhere its Obama trauma in Vriginia.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 PM on 11/02/2008

How about putting this as the headline, huffpost? This is a sobering article. Scary stuff.

Also - can you recommend whom readers should contact to make a complaint about this? VA governors office? VA sec of state?

I wish more in the media were reporting on this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:13 PM on 11/02/2008

The only thing to hope for is that Obama wins by so much that even 2 or 3 states needing to recount won't affect the outcome.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 PM on 11/02/2008

The theory I constructed of no voting problems in states with democrats as governor falls to its knees, I got to stop drinking the Kool Aid.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:02 PM on 11/02/2008

This is off topic but I think Sullivan's blog on the daily dish is really worth reading. Sobering.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:00 PM on 11/02/2008
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Go to:

http://rovitoreview.blogspot.com/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 PM on 11/02/2008
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Spamalot?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 PM on 11/02/2008
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One huge difference-- Virginia elections are not in the hands of Republicans, as in Florida [and Ohio]. Our Governor is a Dem and was one of the first to come out in support of O. Chesterfield County I'd watch, yes, it is a largely white county beside Richmond and was a chief area for "white flight" from Richmond, back when schools were desegregated. It still tends to have racist tendencies. But that is one county the Justice Dept, is going to send some of their 800 observers to.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 PM on 11/02/2008

Yeah, I'm from Chesterfield county and although it voted Republican in '04, I think it's going to Obama this year. Most of Chesterfield county is pretty liberal with the exception of the southern end.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 PM on 11/03/2008
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