California Gay Marriage Banned As Proposition 8 Passes

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LOS ANGELES - In an election otherwise full of liberal triumphs, the gay rights movement suffered a stunning defeat as California voters approved a ban on same-sex marriages that overrides a recent court decision legalizing them.

The constitutional amendment -- widely seen as the most momentous of the nation's 153 ballot measures -- will limit marriage to heterosexual couples, the first time such a vote has taken place in a state where gay unions are legal.

Gay-rights activists had a rough election elsewhere as well. Ban-gay-marriage amendments were approved in Arizona and Florida, and Arkansas voters approved a measure banning unmarried couples from serving as adoptive or foster parents. Supporters made clear that gays and lesbians were their main target.

In California, with 95 percent of precincts reporting Wednesday, the ban had 5,125,752 votes, or 52 percent, while there were 4,725,313 votes, or 48 percent, opposed.

Similar bans had prevailed in 27 states before Tuesday's elections, but none were in California's situation -- with about 18,000 gay couples married since a state Supreme Court ruling in May. The state attorney general, Jerry Brown, has said those marriages will remain valid, although legal challenges are possible.

Spending for and against the amendment reached $74 million, making it the most expensive social-issues campaign in U.S. history and the most expensive campaign this year outside the race for the White House.

Elsewhere, voters in Colorado and South Dakota rejected measures that could have led to sweeping bans of abortion, and Washington became only the second state -- after Oregon -- to offer terminally ill people the option of physician-assisted suicide.

A first-of-its-kind measure in Colorado, which was defeated soundly, would have defined life as beginning at conception. Its opponents said the proposal could lead to the outlawing of some types of birth control as well as abortion.

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The South Dakota measure would have banned abortions except in cases of rape, incest and serious health threat to the mother. A tougher version, without the rape and incest exceptions, lost in 2006. Anti-abortion activists thought the modifications would win approval, but the margin of defeat was similar, about 55 percent to 45 percent of the vote.

"The lesson here is that Americans, in states across the country, clearly support women's ability to access abortion care without government interference," said Vicki Saporta, president of the National Abortion Federation.

In Washington, voters gave solid approval to an initiative modeled after Oregon's "Death with Dignity" law, which allows a terminally ill person to be prescribed lethal medication they can administer to themselves. Since Oregon's law took effect in 1997, more than 340 people -- mostly ailing with cancer -- have used it to end their lives.

The marijuana reform movement won two prized victories, with Massachusetts voters decriminalizing possession of small amounts of the drug and Michigan joining 12 other states in allowing use of pot for medical purposes.

Henceforth, people caught in Massachusetts with an ounce or less of pot will no longer face criminal penalties. Instead, they'll forfeit the marijuana and pay a $100 civil fine.

The Michigan measure will allow severely ill patients to register with the state and legally buy, grow and use small amounts of marijuana to relieve pain, nausea, appetite loss and other symptoms.

Nebraska voters, meanwhile, approved a ban on race- and gender-based affirmative action, similar to measures previously approved in California, Michigan and Washington. Returns in Colorado on a similar measure were too close to call.

Ward Connerly, the California activist-businessman who has led the crusade against affirmative action, said Obama's victory proved his point. "We have overcome the scourge of race," Connerly said.

Energy measures met a mixed fate. In Missouri, voters approved a measure requiring the state's three investor-owned electric utilities to get 15 percent of their electricity from renewable sources by 2021. But California voters defeated an even more ambitious measure that would have required the state's utilities to generate half their electricity from windmills, solar systems, geothermal reserves and other renewable sources by 2025.

Two animal-welfare measures passed -- a ban on dog racing in Massachusetts, and a proposition in California that outlaws cramped cages for egg-laying chickens.

Amid deep economic uncertainty, proposals to cut state income taxes were defeated decisively in North Dakota and Massachusetts.

In San Francisco, an eye-catching local measure -- to bar arrests for prostitution -- was soundly rejected. Police and political leaders said it would hamper the fight against sex trafficking. And in San Diego, voters decided to make permanent a ban on alcohol consumption on city beaches.


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The people of California have spoken and in this democracy that is the final word.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 PM on 11/05/2008

In democracy there is no such thing as the final word.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 PM on 11/05/2008
- rpr I'm a Fan of rpr 2 fans permalink

Yup. Just rescind it in 8 years. Given the percentage shift from Prop 22 to Prop 8, in 8 years the majority should be different.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 PM on 11/05/2008
- JohnJames I'm a Fan of JohnJames 118 fans permalink

Weimar Germany was also a democracy and we know where that led to. The "People" aren't always just or right .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 PM on 11/05/2008

sO SAYETH A CLOSETED SAELF LOATHING CLOSETED HOMOSEXUAL

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:32 PM on 11/05/2008

Is it possible the entire Republican party is filled with self loathing closeted homosexuals.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 PM on 11/05/2008
- suec03 I'm a Fan of suec03 11 fans permalink

If that were true, we would not need constitutions or courts. We are a nation of laws, not mob rule. Even initiatives passed by a majority of the voters must be consistent with the Constitution or they will be voided. We do not live in a "democracy" where everything is put to a vote of all the people. The US Constitution established our form of government as a republic, which means we elect representatives so they can debate the pros and cons of issues before they vote. This is called the "deliberative process." The problem with the initiative process in my home state of California is that the initiative, once intended to be used for progressive reform, has been hijacked by out-of-state groups with lots of money to run misleading ads on TV, which lie about the impact of the proposal. By bypassing the Legislature, there is no deliberation between the supporters and the opponents to reach agreement on the proposal. Instead, the vote of a misled or uninformed voter counts equally with that of a voter who has studied the arguments on both sides. Too often, the side that misleads more voters gets a majority of votes and the result is we get a very bad law, which could have been avoided if our representatives had had to debate the issue and record publicly how they voted on it in session.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 PM on 11/05/2008
- darthmaul I'm a Fan of darthmaul 19 fans permalink

There is also a saying called "The tyranny of the majority!" coined by Alexis de Tocqueville.

Why anybody should give a dam about who marries who, is beyond my comprehension. It's funny how social conservatives, are always complaining about big government interfering in their lives. Yet they blithely do the exact same thing to people they don't even know. By the way I know it's not only the conservatives that supported this misguided proposition. Thank god that while the state falls apart, with infrastructure crumbling, poor schools, and a host of other woes, that we Californians ignore these issues and focus on the important things like who marries who.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 PM on 11/05/2008

Closeted self loathing homosexuals care who marries whoso sayeth the psychitric community.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 PM on 11/05/2008
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The only cloud was the shameful loss of PropHATE to religious bigots. I want to start a ballot proposition to get churches to pay taxes in California. Why do they get a free ride and then they use our taxes to spread their messages of Hate and Fear?
Church and State is separate, but since they keep throwing their lopsided interpretations at us as if it's is "law", can we get them to support the common weal with a tax "donation"- or shut up?
Seriously! Leviticus is no way to interpret civil rights law in the 21st century and now it is in our Constitution? Shame!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:06 PM on 11/05/2008
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I think that we should attend mass (catholic) or go to the mormon church and disrupt what we can. Speak out if you have to in the middle of sermon and tell truths. We cannot be silent. If they want to tell me how to live in my home, I can tell them how to live in theirs!! In fact I'm going to bring my husband to church this weekend and i'm going to skip down the aisle holding his hand waiting for communion. If they confront, i will ask for them to 'pray for me'

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 PM on 11/05/2008
- SpinDown08 I'm a Fan of SpinDown08 125 fans permalink
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And that's a great way to finally doom your cause. Don't blow it for others...K­?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 PM on 11/05/2008
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sorry guys! its already 'blown' we have been in the discriminated minority for millenia. this is war. if they are going to bring it to my home then i will bring it to theirs. We have let religion get away with anything they want. Not this time. I will not sit in the back of this bus, I will not move over for one class of citizen that thinks they are better than or can tell another group of citizens how to behave or act. civil rights my ass. can you imagine a a united states of america where the civil rights of a certain minority of its citizens were put up to a vote?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:30 PM on 11/05/2008
- suec03 I'm a Fan of suec03 11 fans permalink

Disruption might have a chance of changing minds at an FDA hearing on an AIDS vaccine when you have at least one member of the panel who agrees with you and can work on persuading his/her colleagues. In contrast, how many people attending a solemn, sacred church service will be swayed by your logic to abandon their long-held religious beliefs and work for same-sex marriage? They are the wrong audience. The ones to seek are the moderate-p­ersuadable­s, who are more likely to be found in Unitarian, UCC, Reconciling Methodist, progressive Episcopal and Presbyterian congregations. Outreach to Catholics will have to be outside of Mass. Disrupting Mass will just turn people off to our message.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 PM on 11/05/2008
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Gee i dunno, I know that non white people were shunned in my catholic church when i was growing up, but there were a few of us that thought it was wrong. Now the church is a very diverse community. It was a minority that had the fortitude to go and practice a faith they believed in, in the face of shunners and people who were ignorant, and you know what, the church is all the more stronger for those actions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:35 PM on 11/05/2008
- hoopesaz I'm a Fan of hoopesaz 23 fans permalink

I'm sure you feel justified in doing so. Have you ever heard the saying, "hate engenders hate, love engenders love"? To be disrespectful of those who you accuse of being disrespectful of you, while temporarily gratifying, will create more of the very behavior you wish to change. It's completely self-defeating.

Follow Obama. Rise above it. Prove them wrong.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:13 PM on 11/05/2008
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I have been disrespected so many times over i cannot count. There is nothing hateful in my action of attending church with my loved one. I just want to sit there and listen to the the word of God with my husband. It they have a problem, its no sweat off my back.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 PM on 11/05/2008
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there are countless people that i know, and i work in the 'industry' that are leaving, If we cannot count on the court to protect the minority from the majority ( our last line of defense) we will go where we have such rights. I'm actually kinda shocked about how many influential individuals are seriosly considering moving to

a) Canada

b) the UK or other european nations.

There is a true sense that we have become second class citizens now and the majority have voted. Its amazing that a country founded on fighting against intolerance and persecution are now going to lose a set of the population that have contributed a lot to the vitality and inventiveness of our nation. It's sad to say, but a great injustice has been accomplished today. How can a state that is the 6th largest economy in the world survive without the very backbone and artistry that it has relied upon. I'm not saying that gay people are the 'industry' but we do have numbers in positions of being able to shape and form what the rest of the world enjoys as entertainment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:54 PM on 11/05/2008
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...i talked about that today too.......­.....i feel terrible living in this state now

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:50 PM on 11/05/2008
- luvobama I'm a Fan of luvobama 253 fans permalink

What if we outlaw adult ery? Make it punishable by 10 years hard labor? It is one of the ten commandments. If these bible thumpers wish to be governed by their "Book", let's not pick and choose. No more divorce, no more stepping out. You will go to jail. It might protect my marriage and isn't his what this is all about?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:54 PM on 11/05/2008

OK, I have a serious question for anyone here with legal expertise.

IF prop 8 is allowed to stand by the supreme court and the constitution is amended

and

IF gay couples married between June and Nov 4 are allowed to keep their marriage status,

then

HOW can any gay couple be denied the right to marry going forward?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 PM on 11/05/2008

Of the people I know who mostly strongly supported Prop 8 is a woman who freely uses the F-word when referring to gays but claims that hate has nothing to do with her support. It's because Proposition 8 is in line with "Scripture".
She has been married and divorced 4 times (twice to the same man!) and always her marriages were conducted in church. So traditional ,marriage allows for someone to repeatedly make a covenant with God and violate it? If not, then why is divorce, especially muti-divorce legal? Why is it legal to repeatedly lie to God? Maybe Rush Limbaugh, Newt Gingrich or Rupert Murdoch can explain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 PM on 11/05/2008
- luvobama I'm a Fan of luvobama 253 fans permalink

H Y P O C R I T E S. Every last one of them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 PM on 11/05/2008
- Pearlswan I'm a Fan of Pearlswan 36 fans permalink
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They project their own sins onto others. Too bad they can't turn off the projector.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:50 PM on 11/05/2008

Psychiiatrists would tell you she is a self-loathing closeted lesbian may be explainng her 4 unsuccessful marriages. As for the three gents you mentioned one of them I believe has written a book on the nazis where the nazis come off as sympatheic people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:57 PM on 11/05/2008
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Religion is an excuse to stop thinking. Non of their arguments made any sense. But I think that Gays are the new Blacks- in terms of being a civil rights movement and also of being used to divide and outrage a segment of the population for cynical political gain. There is a lot of irony in that, sad irony today.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 PM on 11/05/2008
- suec03 I'm a Fan of suec03 11 fans permalink

The version of religion portrayed by the media may involve not thinking. The Unitarian Universalists do not give you the answers. Our congregations are communities bound together by a set of commitments to respect of dignity of others, use of the democratic process and use of reason. We support each other in our quests for religious meaning. We don't give out "cheat sheets" on what to think about the existence of God or what happens after you die. Our commitment to respect the inherent worth and dignity of every human being has led our denomination to work to abolish slavery, to oppose torture and genocide, to work to oppose the death penalty, to welcoming new members regardless of sexual orientation and performing same-sex weddings and welcoming lesbian, gay and transgendered clergy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 PM on 11/05/2008

I know the presidential election got most of the press, but why didn't anyone do a story about the false and misleading signs that the supporters of prop 8 used? These are some of the slogans I saw last night in and around Hollywood:

Yes on 8 = Free Speech
Yes on 8 = Parental Rights
Yes on 8 = Less Government

Not only were these signs wrong, or at the very least misleading, the signs were in the hands of children who certainly could not vote, and all of the signs I saw were held by Latinos. Why do the Latinos hate homosexuals?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:41 PM on 11/05/2008
- rpr I'm a Fan of rpr 2 fans permalink

Because most of the are pretty fundamental Catholics.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:55 PM on 11/05/2008

Because there is a large closeted popluation of closted gay people who are filled with self loathing for themselves.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:31 PM on 11/07/2008
- bobdob I'm a Fan of bobdob 18 fans permalink

The gay community is following a doomed strategy. There is a better way: separation of church and state. ALL state-sponsored marriage should be illegal. Only the church should be marrying people. Civil marriage should, by definition, be termed "civil unions", and NO ONE should be "married" by the state. Legal "marriage" is nothing more than a civil union. The state has no power to sanctify anything. The right of the state to "marry" people is unconstitutional, and it should be revoked.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:35 PM on 11/05/2008

A reminder to some...the­re are black gays, lations gays, asian gays.....e­tc. Blacks make up a small percentage of Cali. population. Lots of blacks are bible believers because that's the only thing that has kept them sane in this country all these years. I believe in equal rights for everyone and I am a gay African America and I feel like white gays are trying to blame blacks for this and I refuse to sit back and let that happen. 50% of whites and 50% of latinos voted for the ban. Blacks didn't vote for the ban to screw a minority, they did it because they believe the bible. They are wrong but so are some of you for acting like it's all those dumb blacks fault. Enough! Sue, and do whatever you have to to convince folks in your state they are wrong, but don't try and put this on a small amount of the population just because you are angry.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 PM on 11/05/2008
- Minako I'm a Fan of Minako 44 fans permalink
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Three suits have already been filed and the votes aren't even counted yet.

We will not be going down without a fight.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:36 PM on 11/05/2008

Best news I've heard all day. Thank you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:53 PM on 11/05/2008

I think the point is here in the same election the color barrier was broken for the leader of the free world a sizeable (nearly 70%) portion of the african american community voted in favor of discrimination.

I know it doesn't read well, but it's true.

Religious beliefs are just not a valid reason to endorse discrimination.

As to the fact there isn't any comparison between the civil rights struggle of blacks and this equality issue, I would agree. It still doesn't add up to how a community so affected by discrimination can now blithely impose injustice and equality on others.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:12 PM on 11/05/2008
- zetacplus I'm a Fan of zetacplus 12 fans permalink
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I found that ironic as well. African-Americans, who have been discriminated against for so long were the leading "Yes" voters. I find that appaling. They, better than anyone else, knows what discrimination is. For them to discriminate so easily is really saddening. I watched with joy as so many African Americans rejoiced and cried when Obama was elected. It was truely an historic and watershed moment for our country moving forward. For them to turn around and discriminate against others--I just don't get it. The way you felt when Obama was elected is the way we will feel when we are treated equally also. We have been discriminated against for decades too, and we have had to hide in shame for too long. We deserve equal rights.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:35 PM on 11/05/2008
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It'll never get past the courts.

California bigotry at it's best.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 PM on 11/05/2008
- suec03 I'm a Fan of suec03 11 fans permalink

It will be a much harder struggle in the courts this time, since Prop 8 actually would become part of the constitution itself, to avoid the tests applied to a statute to see whether it is consistent with the constitution.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 PM on 11/05/2008

Not necessarily. Even at the State Supreme Court Level there are these issues:

Equal Protection under the law

Gender non-discrimination

Prop 8 is a "revision" and not an amendment so would need a constitutional convention to make the change

The CA supremes made gays a "suspect" class, which seems to mean something important

They also said it was a basic Constitutional right and I don't think those can be changed by popular voting.

What is strange that for the Legislature to overturn an initiative it needs a 2/3's vote. In the US Constitution an amendment has to go through 2/3's vote in the Senate and then be passed by 2/3's of the State Legislatures. Why can it be done in CA with just a majority vote?

Also, as far as I know

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:04 PM on 11/05/2008
- Ponderus I'm a Fan of Ponderus 289 fans permalink
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Califronia bans gay marriage? OK, I'll ban California -- from my life anyway. No visits, no money spent on any business based there (lots of international and indie films to choose from), and my CA friends will have to come and visit me. I'll miss not seeing SFO again, but the majority that voted for this can shove it up their --- San Andreas fault.

CA gays and friends should start staging massive civil disobediance and shut the f'ing state down.

Cheers, you bigots.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:29 PM on 11/05/2008
- suec03 I'm a Fan of suec03 11 fans permalink

I hear you. We are not all bigots. There were nearly as many of us Californians on the No on 8 side as the slight majority on the Yes on 8 side. A lot of businesses large and small were looking forward to serving gay couples making wedding plans and even started holding wedding expos geared to same-sex couples: Florists, hotels, bakeries, bridal and tuxedo shops, printers, travel agencies and more. California counties would have received increased revenue by collecting additional fees for marriage licenses. I know the boycott tactic has worked when the issue was forcing a state legislature to pass a good law or repeal a discriminatory one. The problem here is that the pressure needs to be on the voters themselves. I don't think a boycott will have any affect on the supporters of Yes on 8. They are ideological.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:38 PM on 11/05/2008
- suec03 I'm a Fan of suec03 11 fans permalink

Massive civil disobedience is used to confront governmental action or action by a business because it gets you into court to challenge a specific governmental or business practice. In this case the task at hand is to win the hearts and minds of more voters. Massive civil disobedience and arrests would only drive away many non-LGBT's who voted against Prop 8 this time when we told them it was a matter of fairness. We want to keep them voting on our side. Informational demonstrations and educational campaigns need to continue so more and more non-gays will understand that Prop 8 takes a fundamental right away from their own gay relatives, neighbors and coworkers. Too bad the late Coretta Scott King is no longer with us to remind everyone as she did during life of the need to respect the personhood, dignity, aspirations and rights of our brothers and sisters in the LGBT community. The long struggle continues, with much coalition-building work to be done. As Martin Luther King, Jr. taught, the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 PM on 11/05/2008
- wdw101 I'm a Fan of wdw101 20 fans permalink

too bad your lifestyle is not normal or moral

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:45 PM on 11/05/2008
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there are countless people that i know, and i work in the 'industry' that are leaving, If we cannot count on the court to protect the minority from the majority ( our last line of defense) we will go where we have such rights. I'm actually kinda shocked about how many influential individuals are seriosly considering moving to

a) Canada

b) the UK or other european nations.

There is a true sense that we have become second class citizens now and the majority have voted. Its amazing that a country founded on fighting against intolerance and persecution are now going to lose a set of the population that have contributed a lot to the vitality and inventiveness of our nation. It's sad to say, but a great injustice has been accomplished today. How can a state that is the 6th largest economy in the world survive without the very backbone and artistry that it has relied upon. I'm not saying that gay people are the 'industry' but we do have numbers in positions of being able to shape and form what the rest of the world enjoys as entertainment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:54 PM on 11/05/2008
- wdw101 I'm a Fan of wdw101 20 fans permalink

bye

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:43 PM on 11/05/2008
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...i just had a conversation with my partner about moving back to NY......a state that would recognize our marriage..­......

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 PM on 11/05/2008
- HowIronic I'm a Fan of HowIronic 3 fans permalink

Here is how I see it. A marriage is a legally binding contract that is entered into by two consenting adults.

If any religion or person out there does not want to recognize gay marriage, fine. I personally could care less.

I do however, demand that all levels of government recognize these marriages. This is what our constitution calls for and it is what all people deserve.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:20 PM on 11/05/2008
- awcbuddy8 I'm a Fan of awcbuddy8 8 fans permalink

WTF Huffpo? I thought America was the new leftist bastion in the world? Oh wait, maybe not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:19 PM on 11/05/2008
- Hare I'm a Fan of Hare 30 fans permalink
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I'm sorry for all of those that wanted this proposition nonsense to be defeated. Never give up, never surrender, take your cue from Ghandi or MLK or Obama. Peace.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:14 PM on 11/05/2008
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