Stocks plunge anew as recession worries resurface

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SARA LEPRO and TIM PARADIS | November 5, 2008 07:16 PM EST | AP

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NEW YORK — A case of postelection nerves sent Wall Street plunging Wednesday as investors looked past Barack Obama's presidential election and returned to fears of a deep and protracted recession.

The Dow Jones industrials fell nearly 500 points, and all the major indexes tumbled more than 5 percent.

The slide ended the best stretch since the financial meltdown began in mid-September, following a run-up last week that lifted the Standard & Poor's 500 index more than 18 percent and gave the Dow its best weekly advance in 34 years. The market had been expected to give back some gains, however, and analysts had warned that Wall Street faced more turbulence.

"The market has really gotten ahead of itself and falsely priced in that this recession wasn't going to be as prolonged as thought," said Ryan Larson, head of equity trading at Voyageur Asset Management, a subsidiary of RBC Dain Rauscher. "Regardless of who won the White House, these problems are not going away.

"We're in a really bad recession, period," he said. "People are locking in profits and realizing we're not out of the woods."

Worries about the financial sector intensified after Goldman Sachs Group Inc. began notifying about 3,200 employees globally that they had lost their jobs as part of a plan to slash 10 percent of its work force.

The cuts were first reported last month. Goldman fell 8 percent, while other financial names also fell. Citigroup Inc. dropped 14 percent.

Commodities stocks also fell after steelmaker ArcelorMittal said it would slash production because of weakening demand. Its stock plunged 21.5 percent.

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The market expected Obama to win the election, but as the session wore on, investors clearly worried about the weakness of the economy and pondered what the new administration might do.

Analysts said the market is already anxious about Obama's upcoming selections for Treasury secretary and other Cabinet positions.

"The celebration is over. Today we saw a bit of reality," said Al Goldman, chief market strategist at Wachovia Securities in St. Louis. "President-elect Obama is coming into a situation with limited experience, having to handle an economy in serious trouble, a couple of wars and terrorism. It's an extremely tough job."

Late-day selling by hedge funds helped deepen the market's losses during the last hour. More selling by the funds is expected to weigh on the market ahead of a Nov. 15 cutoff for shareholders to notify fund managers of their intent to cash out investments before year-end.

The Dow fell 486.01, or 5.05 percent, to 9,139.27. The blue chips had risen more than 300 on Tuesday, and last week rose 11.3 percent, their biggest weekly gain since 1974.

The S&P 500 index fell 52.98, or 5.27 percent, to 952.77. Through the six sessions that ended Tuesday, the index, the one most closely watched by market professionals, rose 18.3 percent.

Goldman said trading could remain turbulent as investors assess the shape and direction of Obama's forthcoming economic policies.

"The market has to go through a period of figuring out if they are going to gain confidence in Obama and the Congress or lose it," he said.

Obama's victory means that industries such as oil and gas producers, utilities and pharmaceuticals may face greater regulation and even taxes, while labor unions and automakers are expected to benefit.

Meanwhile, banks, insurance companies, hedge funds and the rest of the financial sector will almost certainly face attempts at a regulatory overhaul by the more heaviily Democratic Congress.

Investors are also watching pharmaceuticals and alternative energy sectors and credit markets. The paralysis in the credit markets that began after the bankruptcy of Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. has been alleviated somewhat by a series of government interventions, but the markets still show signs of strain.

Banks continued to ratchet down the rates they charge one another for borrowing on Wednesday, but the key interbank lending rate _ the London Interbank Offered Rate, or Libor _ remained well above the Federal Reserve's target interest rate of 1 percent. Libor for three-month dollar loans fell to 2.51 percent from 2.71 percent Tuesday.

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NEW YORK — A case of postelection nerves sent Wall Street plunging Wednesday as investors looked past Barack Obama's presidential election and returned to fears of a deep and protracted recessio...
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Since Obama's election the market has had a record two day drop. Fears of the consequences of Obama's tax, regulation, spending, anti trade and big government plans have driven the market down 10 percent in two days. Obama needs to announce changes to his wrongheaded economic plans. At the least no tax increases during a recession and no restrictions on trade.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:24 PM on 11/06/2008
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The ROOT CAUSE of Market Colapse is the "TRICK" Mortgage CRISIS not the Banks!

What can Obama do?

Bush-Paulson are President!

If Bush-Paulson will step DOWN then Obama can implement change!

Otherwise, we are stuck with Bush until January 21, 2009.


Banks are NOT LENDING so it is time to stop the BAIL OUT!

If banks refuse to cooperate then lets stop this GIVE-AWAY!

The Banks must return the funds to the Taxpayers so we can Bail out the Homeowner Walking-Aways and Bankruptcies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:53 PM on 11/06/2008
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Until the American people take an hour to understand how their own monetary system works, we are just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. We must take back the power to expand the money supply rationally as the founding fathers intended, and we MUST END THE GREEDY INSANITY OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE FRACTIONAL RESERVE BANKING SYSTEM WHICH CAN ONLY EXPAND THE ECONOMY/MONEY SUPPLY BY CREATING DEBT. When you understand how it works you realize our economy has become a PYRAMID SCHEME OF DEBT which cannot be kept from collapsing much longer.
Watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pjr6QS7eOPo

THOMAS JEFFERSON SAID:
If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation then by deflation, the banks and the corporations will grow up around them, will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 AM on 11/06/2008

Recessions turned into depressions under the gold standard (non-fiat money) in these years: 1807, 1837, 1873, 1882, 1893, 1920, 1933, and 1937

Recessions since WWII: 1945-46, 1949, 1954, 1956, 1960-61, 1970, 1973-75, 1980-83, 1990-92
NONE of those became depressions.

The evidence is overwhelming, fiat money works, the gold standard does not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:50 PM on 11/06/2008

The stock market invests based on the collective read of the future and since the Obama election they have voted no in two huge collapses.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 AM on 11/06/2008
- PT6 I'm a Fan of PT6 permalink

What can Obama do?

Bush is President and if he will step DOWN then Obama can implement change!

Otherwise, we are stuck with Bush until January 21, 2009.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:52 AM on 11/06/2008

I hope Obama follows through on his promises to lead America into Energy Independence. This past year the high cost of gas has strained our economy and damaged our society. Between fueling our vehicles and paying more for every consumer product there was little to no money left over for saving or investing. People are losing jobs and homes in record high numbers. Gas comes down, OPEC cuts production and gas will be rising again soon. WE have spent trillions on bail outs and stimulus checks. Our nation needs to invest in renewable energy and strive to become energy independent. Wind,solar and electric cars could replace a huge percentage of imported oil. We could produce cheap electricity and at the same time create millions of badly needed jobs. Renewable energy would be a win-win situation for our nation. Jeff Wilson just wrote a book called The Manhattan Project of 2009 Energy Independence NOW. I highly recommend this book for anyone concerned about our economy and our dependence on foreign oil. http://www.themanhattanprojcetof2009.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:25 AM on 11/06/2008

The USA will never be energy independent.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 AM on 11/06/2008

it's Obama's Fault !!!!!!

Dont' Blame Me I Voted for McCain!!!!

too Early?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 PM on 11/05/2008
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Naw, show your ignorance up front.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 AM on 11/06/2008

It's Obama's fault !!!!!!!

Don't blame me, I voted for McCain!

Buck Fama!!!

too early?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 PM on 11/05/2008

Who is Buck Fama?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 PM on 11/06/2008
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Good if stocks went up after Obama was elected, we'd know he's no better than G.W. Bush...!

What's good for Americans is and hopefully will always be bad for Wall St..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 PM on 11/05/2008

It's the anti Obama rally!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:11 PM on 11/05/2008

right. because the stock market was doing great until obama got elected.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 PM on 11/05/2008


Obama should be a shoe-in President with all that experiences as a neighborhood leader. It should be easy for him to wave his magic wand to fix the problems. Right ? No excuses but to go there and fix the problem. That's why he ran for the the Presidency. So what are you afraid of ?

This is just the time to test his "experience" . Hundred of thousands of job loss, industries closing, mortgage closures, banks defaulting etc etc. The Office of the POTUS is not an on-the-job training, no probationary period allowed. It's DO OR D I E. No time for rosy speeches or pie in the skies. We don't need that.

It is what it is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:43 PM on 11/05/2008
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1 up week that didn't even come close to replacing the losses of the last months and you tarot card finance wizards claim you know the cause? Moronic whining is all you have left because YOU ARE IRRELEVANT!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 AM on 11/06/2008

One of the first questions that needs to be looked at it is, "What regulation(s) can be put into place quickly that will RESTORE investor confidence?

Wall Street, used to lax regulation, regards all regulation as an evil and dives accordingly. The stupidity of that belief, based on unbridled greed, is obvious when the "right" regulation could do wonders for getting reinvestment.

But then, I don't believe anyone currently on Wall Street today, with few exceptions, ever took Business Ethics 101.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:52 PM on 11/05/2008
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Given Obama's inexperience and all the promises he has made, the situation is uncertain. His disdain for the coal industry, energy and general lack of a track record make him a great unknown. Maybe after he picks his cabinet, things will be better known. Sadly for me, this is not a good time to have retirement in the close future.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:43 PM on 11/05/2008

Imagine what four more years of Boooshonomics would have done to your retirement. Geeez.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:02 PM on 11/05/2008
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I am just hoping someone in the MSM or agency goes after Barney Frank and Chris Dodd. With them gone, things might get better.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:14 PM on 11/05/2008

What are they looking at in such amazment...Did our Prez. fly by?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:20 PM on 11/05/2008
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They have been pumping and dumping for months now. This will not end until the Dow hits 5000; then you can dive in for all you are worth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:01 PM on 11/05/2008

We have not yet reach bottom. i anticipated Mr.O's win and felt that the market will take another dive
this time due to his "telegraphed" messages during his campaign that will tilt the cost of most of
his programs to the american stockholders.
I sold my little stock holdings on monday in trying to remain part of the "middle class" with income under $60K. - PS I voted Libertarian

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:23 PM on 11/05/2008
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My guess is that jrldev is just another republican trying to create a negative narrative about the Obama administration by encouraging people to sell their stocks to create the theme that Obama is not business friendly. The reality is that this crisis was created by ultra free marketeers, and businesses make more money under Democrats than under crazy war mongerers whom jrldev seems to trust. The runup in the market before the election and drop on the Obama victory was silly because sane speculators could read the statistics which showed Obama as the likely winner. Investors need to look beyond the fluctuations of a market which has lost its capacity to measure value effectively and draw their own conclusions. If Obama is about to impose the islamic caliphate then perhaps you should dump your holdings and buy a herd of camels. Otherwise you might want to imagine that this crisis will one day be over, in which case acting in a panic might not be your best option now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 PM on 11/05/2008
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