Obama Plans Guantanamo Close, US Trials

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MATT APUZZO and LARA JAKES JORDAN | November 10, 2008 10:45 PM EST | AP

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In this June 6, 2008 file photo, reviewed by the U.S. Military, a guard stands at a gate at the Camp Delta detention compound, which has housed foreign prisoners since 2002, at Guantanamo Bay U.S. Naval Base in Cuba. (AP Photo/Brennan Linsley, File)

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WASHINGTON — President-elect Obama's advisers are crafting plans to close the Guantanamo Bay prison and prosecute terrorism suspects in the U.S., a plan the Bush administration said Monday was easier said than done. Under the plan being crafted inside Obama's camp, some detainees would be released and others would be charged in U.S. courts, where they would receive constitutional rights and open trials.

But, underscoring the difficult decisions Obama must make to fulfill his pledge of shutting down Guantanamo, the plan could require the creation of a new legal system to handle the classified information inherent in some of the most sensitive cases.

Many of the about 250 Guantanamo detainees are cleared for release, but the Bush administration has not able been to find a country willing to take them.

Advisers participating directly in the planning spoke on condition of anonymity because the plans aren't final.

The plan being developed by Obama's team has been championed by legal scholars from both political parties. But as details surfaced Monday, it drew criticism from Democrats who oppose creating a new legal system and from Republicans who oppose bringing terrorism suspects to the U.S. mainland.

Obama foreign policy adviser Denis McDonough said the president-elect wants Guantanamo closed, but no decision has been made "about how and where to try the detainees, and there is no process in place to make that decision until his national security and legal teams are assembled."

Obama seeks a break from the Bush administration, which established military tribunals to prosecute detainees at the Navy base in Cuba and strongly opposes bringing prisoners to the United States. At the White House, spokeswoman Dana Perino said Monday that President Bush has faced many challenges in trying to close the prison.

"We've tried very hard to explain to people how complicated it is. When you pick up people off the battlefield that have a terrorist background, it's not just so easy to let them go," Perino said. "These issues are complicated, and we have put forward a process that we think would work in order to put them on trial through military tribunals."

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But Obama has been critical of that process and his legal advisers said finding an alternative will be a top priority. One of those advisers, Harvard law professor Laurence Tribe, acknowledges that bringing detainees to the U.S. would be controversial but said it could be accomplished.

"I think the answer is going to be, they can be as securely guarded on U.S. soil as anywhere else," Tribe said. "We can't put people in a dungeon forever without processing whether they deserve to be there."

The tougher challenge will be allaying fears by Democrats who believe the Bush administration's military commissions were a farce and dislike the idea of giving detainees anything less than the full constitutional rights normally enjoyed by everyone on U.S. soil.

"I think that creating a new alternative court system in response to the abject failure of Guantanamo would be a profound mistake," Jonathan Hafetz, an American Civil Liberties Union attorney who represents detainees, said Monday. "We do not need a new court system. The last eight years are a testament to the problems of trying to create new systems."

Senate Judiciary Committee member John Cornyn, R-Texas, said it would be a "colossal mistake to treat terrorism as a mere crime."

"It would be a stunning disappointment if the one of the new administration's first priorities is to give foreign terror suspects captured on the battlefield the same legal rights and protections as American citizens accused of crimes," Cornyn said Monday, noting that the Senate overwhelmingly passed a nonbinding Senate bill last year opposing bringing detainees to the U.S.

Obama did not vote on that measure. He has said the civilian and military court-martial systems provide "a framework for dealing with the terrorists," and Tribe said the administration would look to those venues before creating a new legal system. But discussions of what a new system would look like have already started.

An Obama administration will want to avoid the criticisms that have marked the Bush administration's military commissions. Human rights groups and defense attorneys have condemned the commissions for lax evidence rules and intense secrecy. Some military prosecutors have even quit in protest.

"It would have to be some sort of hybrid that involves military commissions that actually administer justice rather than just serve as kangaroo courts," Tribe said. "It will have to both be and appear to be fundamentally fair in light of the circumstances. I think people are going to give an Obama administration the benefit of the doubt in that regard."

Some weren't so sure.

"There would be concern about establishing a completely new system," said Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., a member of the House Judiciary Committee and former federal prosecutor who is aware of the discussions in the Obama camp. "And in the sense that establishing a regimen of detention that includes American citizens and foreign nationals that takes place on U.S. soil and departs from the criminal justice system _ trying to establish that would be very difficult."

Though a hybrid court may be unpopular, other advisers and Democrats involved in the Guantanamo Bay discussions say Obama has few options.

Prosecuting all detainees in federal courts raises many problems. Evidence gathered through military interrogation or from intelligence sources might be thrown out. Defendants would have the right to confront witnesses, meaning undercover CIA officers or terrorist turncoats might have to take the stand, jeopardizing their cover and revealing classified intelligence tactics.

That means something different would need to be done if detainees couldn't be released or prosecuted in traditional courts. Exactly what remains unclear.

"I don't think we need to completely reinvent the wheel, but we need a better tribunal process that is more transparent," Schiff said.

According to three advisers participating in the process, Obama is expected to propose a new court system and may appoint a committee to decide how such a court would operate. Some detainees likely would be returned to the countries where they were first captured for further detention or rehabilitation. The rest could probably be prosecuted in U.S. criminal courts, one adviser said. All spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss the ongoing talks, which have been private.

One challenge will be figuring out what to do with the 90 or so Yemeni detainees _ the largest group in the prison. The Bush administration has sought to negotiate the release of some of those detainees as part of a rehabilitation plan with the Yemeni government. But talks have so far been fruitless.

Waleed Alshahari, who has been following Guantanamo issues for the Yemeni Embassy in Washington, said the plan being discussed by the Obama team was an improvement over the current system. But he said he expects most detainees to be released rather than stand trial.

"If the U.S. government has any evidence against them, they would try them and put them in jail," Alshahari said. "But it has been obvious they have nothing against them. That is why they have not faced trial."

Whatever Obama decides, he should move quickly, Tribe said.

"In reality and symbolically, the idea that we have people in legal black holes is an extremely serious black mark," Tribe said. "It has to be dealt with."

UPDATES: Barack Obama Big News Page WASHINGTON — President-elect Obama's advisers are crafting plans to close the Guantanamo Bay prison and prosecute terrorism suspects in the U.S., a plan the Bus...
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I really do hope that this is done and that the truth about whether or not torture was used here comes out. lf it was it is necessary to prosecute those in charge.... you know who i mean.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:43 PM on 11/10/2008
- Deidroni I'm a Fan of Deidroni 8 fans permalink
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One of the worst things about gitmo is that if the alleged terrorist or "enemy combatants" are found not guilty, when they are returned to civilian life they'll want revenge for years of detainment and maybe torture. Way to go Bush, you've created more possible terrorists.

It forever amazes me that the Repugs that call for "smaller government" would want anyone to have the overreaching, king-like powers Bush has claimed in the name of the "war on terrorism".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:23 PM on 11/10/2008
- supervoter I'm a Fan of supervoter 3 fans permalink

Oh, please please please let this be true. In fact, Governor Palin, I DO want to read these people their rights.

Addendum: Read Jane Mayer's The Dark Side, and try to convince yourself that we shouldn't fire everyone at the CIA, burn the buildings down, and sow the ground with salt. It's not just Guantanamo that's being used as storage for people we've kidnapped.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:16 PM on 11/10/2008
- GibsonSG I'm a Fan of GibsonSG 4 fans permalink
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Hopefully, this headline is seen soon. "Obama Plans War Crime Trials: Bush, Cheney Flee Country"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:58 PM on 11/10/2008

Yes, isn't it nice wondering what those WH criminals must be thinking having a smart President-elect who is well versed in the Constitution taking office soon? Texas may not be far enough away.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:17 PM on 11/10/2008
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Here is Bush's exit strategy for life after the White House. Kinda makes you wonder if this is Dubya's way of escaping the Hague:

BUSH REPORTED TO HAVE PURCHASED 99,000 ACRES IN PARAGUAY

"Why might the president and his family need a 98,840-acre ranch in Paraguay protected by a semi-secret U.S. military base manned by American troops who have been exempted from war-crimes prosecution by the Paraguayan government?" - Wonkette

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0610/S00308.htm

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:37 PM on 11/10/2008
- GrkAm I'm a Fan of GrkAm 21 fans permalink
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We are on the verge of coming out of eight dark years under the Bush administration. GITMO has become a stain on our history. In the opening paragraph of this article it was stated that GITMO "could require a controversial new system of justice".

Actually, Bush already put that controversial system of justice into play for the past seven years. Being held in that environment without being charged and tried for that length of time is totally inappropriate!

Bring these individuals to trial. Let the judicial system decide, and then burn GITMO to the ground! Protecting our country is of the greatest importance. The eyes of world have and always will be on the US. Now, let's show them what we are!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:25 PM on 11/10/2008
- Eidolas I'm a Fan of Eidolas 6 fans permalink

I'm sure most, if not all, Guantanamo prisoners will claim they were tortured, thus rendering any and all confessions irrelevant. But I'm wondering where they are going to put all these prisoners. I can't see them being put into an active U.S. prison, some would probably be murdered. So they'll have to find some other place to hold them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:11 PM on 11/10/2008

They'll build a new prison somewhere. Part of the economic "infrastructure" stimulus package. Snort.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:53 PM on 11/10/2008
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re-open Alcatraz!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:56 PM on 11/10/2008
- PSM42 I'm a Fan of PSM42 20 fans permalink
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They are goat herders, taxi drivers and foreigners in Pak, Afgh bought for $5k ea. 99%. Send 'em home.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:10 PM on 11/10/2008

"claim"?????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:10 PM on 11/10/2008

Don't just close the prison, close the whole military base. Why in the hell do we have a base in Cuba anyway? It is a relic of colonialism that should have been abandoned a long time ago.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:07 PM on 11/10/2008
- Vixter I'm a Fan of Vixter 12 fans permalink

I wonder the same question about having a military base in Italy. Wouldn't you love to find out that you were being deployed...to Italy. WOO-HOO. We should close some of the bases that we have in countries where we were stationed at one time (WW1/WW11). We might find the manpower so that the military personnel in the Middle East wouldn't have to be deployed 4 or more times.

What type of system was the Neuremberg War Tribunal set upon?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:02 PM on 11/10/2008
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Nuremberg would not be a good example. At the time the US Supreme Court Chief Justice said the Nuremberg trials a fraud. The rules were made up or changed mid trial to fit the need for conviction. The defendants were not allowed to object to the judges, something allowed in U.S. courts.The trials had their own rules for evidence that followed no law and allowed for any evidence that was "probably true" if the court deemed it ok. Many of the judges, as in most of the Russians, were just as guilty or war crimes as the defendants. On the other side, out of the 24 main defendants only three were found innocent the rest were put to death or imprisoned for 10 years to life. So maybe...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:54 PM on 11/10/2008

This is going to be a legal mess and I have no idea how they're going to sort this out. They cannot keep Guantanamo open forever though. Undoing what Bush has done is going to be difficult but these people have to be tried and punished correctly not tortured in some far off place with no laws.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:05 PM on 11/10/2008
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given the circumstances, this seems a step in the right direction... however, once this problem has been resolved, the default US legal system should be applicable to "enemy combatants" and other detainees...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:01 PM on 11/10/2008
- zitlight73 I'm a Fan of zitlight73 44 fans permalink

I hope the first two acts of the Obama Presidency is to renounce torture and close Gitmo. The harm that this vile, rotten policy has done to the moral standing of The United States will take generations to erase and the sooner we rectify it the better.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:58 PM on 11/10/2008

John Peeler, in the LA Progressive wrote, "Guantánamo was chosen for imprisonment of these alleged unlawful combatants precisely in order to exclude them from access to US courts and constitutional guarantees, on grounds that the base is not on US territory."

This claim was rejected by the Supreme Court. It gives me great encouragement to know that Obama is taking on this task as one of his early objectives.

Peeler's piece on this topic is great and well worth the read:

http://www.laprogressive.com/2008/09/19/guantanamo-bay-don%e2%80%99t-just-close-it-give-it-back/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:54 PM on 11/10/2008
- dolphy I'm a Fan of dolphy 49 fans permalink

How about keeping it open for the cabal in the WH. Give them all 6 years in Gitmo for what they have done to the world.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:53 PM on 11/10/2008
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All the kicking and screaming sure does seem to indicate that the Republicans love their tor.ture cham.bers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:50 PM on 11/10/2008
- jagoneely I'm a Fan of jagoneely 11 fans permalink
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I could care less what the Republicans think. Their president committed horrible crimes against humanity, and what did thay so or say about it? I've also been disapointed with Congress. But I think under Obama, the Congress will grow some and do whats right. Gitmo is a discusting blight on the U.S. and frankly, if we can't find ANY evidence they did something wrong, why are they still there some 8 years later? Why again are they not POW's? Let's try them and regain our honor.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:47 PM on 11/10/2008
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You could care less or you couldn't care less?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:51 PM on 11/10/2008
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"couldn't"
Sometimes brain is quicker than fingers!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:00 PM on 11/10/2008
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After a very long time, I decided this morning to clean the oven. I did the prerequisite spray and left it to soak for several hours. I went back and began wiping, scrubbing, brushing...while a great deal of the grease and grime came off, some of it just wouldn't. President Obama is in the pre-soak phase...it's going to be awfully hard to get off all the baked on crud.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:33 PM on 11/10/2008

Nice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:54 PM on 11/10/2008
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