Obama Plans Guantanamo Close, US Trials

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MATT APUZZO and LARA JAKES JORDAN | November 10, 2008 10:45 PM EST | AP

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In this June 6, 2008 file photo, reviewed by the U.S. Military, a guard stands at a gate at the Camp Delta detention compound, which has housed foreign prisoners since 2002, at Guantanamo Bay U.S. Naval Base in Cuba. (AP Photo/Brennan Linsley, File)

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WASHINGTON — President-elect Obama's advisers are crafting plans to close the Guantanamo Bay prison and prosecute terrorism suspects in the U.S., a plan the Bush administration said Monday was easier said than done. Under the plan being crafted inside Obama's camp, some detainees would be released and others would be charged in U.S. courts, where they would receive constitutional rights and open trials.

But, underscoring the difficult decisions Obama must make to fulfill his pledge of shutting down Guantanamo, the plan could require the creation of a new legal system to handle the classified information inherent in some of the most sensitive cases.

Many of the about 250 Guantanamo detainees are cleared for release, but the Bush administration has not able been to find a country willing to take them.

Advisers participating directly in the planning spoke on condition of anonymity because the plans aren't final.

The plan being developed by Obama's team has been championed by legal scholars from both political parties. But as details surfaced Monday, it drew criticism from Democrats who oppose creating a new legal system and from Republicans who oppose bringing terrorism suspects to the U.S. mainland.

Obama foreign policy adviser Denis McDonough said the president-elect wants Guantanamo closed, but no decision has been made "about how and where to try the detainees, and there is no process in place to make that decision until his national security and legal teams are assembled."

Obama seeks a break from the Bush administration, which established military tribunals to prosecute detainees at the Navy base in Cuba and strongly opposes bringing prisoners to the United States. At the White House, spokeswoman Dana Perino said Monday that President Bush has faced many challenges in trying to close the prison.

"We've tried very hard to explain to people how complicated it is. When you pick up people off the battlefield that have a terrorist background, it's not just so easy to let them go," Perino said. "These issues are complicated, and we have put forward a process that we think would work in order to put them on trial through military tribunals."

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But Obama has been critical of that process and his legal advisers said finding an alternative will be a top priority. One of those advisers, Harvard law professor Laurence Tribe, acknowledges that bringing detainees to the U.S. would be controversial but said it could be accomplished.

"I think the answer is going to be, they can be as securely guarded on U.S. soil as anywhere else," Tribe said. "We can't put people in a dungeon forever without processing whether they deserve to be there."

The tougher challenge will be allaying fears by Democrats who believe the Bush administration's military commissions were a farce and dislike the idea of giving detainees anything less than the full constitutional rights normally enjoyed by everyone on U.S. soil.

"I think that creating a new alternative court system in response to the abject failure of Guantanamo would be a profound mistake," Jonathan Hafetz, an American Civil Liberties Union attorney who represents detainees, said Monday. "We do not need a new court system. The last eight years are a testament to the problems of trying to create new systems."

Senate Judiciary Committee member John Cornyn, R-Texas, said it would be a "colossal mistake to treat terrorism as a mere crime."

"It would be a stunning disappointment if the one of the new administration's first priorities is to give foreign terror suspects captured on the battlefield the same legal rights and protections as American citizens accused of crimes," Cornyn said Monday, noting that the Senate overwhelmingly passed a nonbinding Senate bill last year opposing bringing detainees to the U.S.

Obama did not vote on that measure. He has said the civilian and military court-martial systems provide "a framework for dealing with the terrorists," and Tribe said the administration would look to those venues before creating a new legal system. But discussions of what a new system would look like have already started.

An Obama administration will want to avoid the criticisms that have marked the Bush administration's military commissions. Human rights groups and defense attorneys have condemned the commissions for lax evidence rules and intense secrecy. Some military prosecutors have even quit in protest.

"It would have to be some sort of hybrid that involves military commissions that actually administer justice rather than just serve as kangaroo courts," Tribe said. "It will have to both be and appear to be fundamentally fair in light of the circumstances. I think people are going to give an Obama administration the benefit of the doubt in that regard."

Some weren't so sure.

"There would be concern about establishing a completely new system," said Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., a member of the House Judiciary Committee and former federal prosecutor who is aware of the discussions in the Obama camp. "And in the sense that establishing a regimen of detention that includes American citizens and foreign nationals that takes place on U.S. soil and departs from the criminal justice system _ trying to establish that would be very difficult."

Though a hybrid court may be unpopular, other advisers and Democrats involved in the Guantanamo Bay discussions say Obama has few options.

Prosecuting all detainees in federal courts raises many problems. Evidence gathered through military interrogation or from intelligence sources might be thrown out. Defendants would have the right to confront witnesses, meaning undercover CIA officers or terrorist turncoats might have to take the stand, jeopardizing their cover and revealing classified intelligence tactics.

That means something different would need to be done if detainees couldn't be released or prosecuted in traditional courts. Exactly what remains unclear.

"I don't think we need to completely reinvent the wheel, but we need a better tribunal process that is more transparent," Schiff said.

According to three advisers participating in the process, Obama is expected to propose a new court system and may appoint a committee to decide how such a court would operate. Some detainees likely would be returned to the countries where they were first captured for further detention or rehabilitation. The rest could probably be prosecuted in U.S. criminal courts, one adviser said. All spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss the ongoing talks, which have been private.

One challenge will be figuring out what to do with the 90 or so Yemeni detainees _ the largest group in the prison. The Bush administration has sought to negotiate the release of some of those detainees as part of a rehabilitation plan with the Yemeni government. But talks have so far been fruitless.

Waleed Alshahari, who has been following Guantanamo issues for the Yemeni Embassy in Washington, said the plan being discussed by the Obama team was an improvement over the current system. But he said he expects most detainees to be released rather than stand trial.

"If the U.S. government has any evidence against them, they would try them and put them in jail," Alshahari said. "But it has been obvious they have nothing against them. That is why they have not faced trial."

Whatever Obama decides, he should move quickly, Tribe said.

"In reality and symbolically, the idea that we have people in legal black holes is an extremely serious black mark," Tribe said. "It has to be dealt with."

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That place needs to be burned to the ground - and all torture stopped instantly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:30 PM on 11/10/2008
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But not necessarily in that order, right?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:30 PM on 11/10/2008
- surj I'm a Fan of surj permalink

... and then bring all the detainees to USA, where they can live happily ever after, with the people who want Gitmo closesed and burnt down. log on www.thereligionofpeace.com www.faithfreedom.org

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:04 PM on 11/10/2008
- dontomas I'm a Fan of dontomas 10 fans permalink
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First thing is to separate those prisoners who were "sold" to the US by warlords and others who used the bounty to further arm themselves. There are so many innocent men who have been tortured who were doing nothing but herding goats when picked up, Many others were just doing what you and I would do if the US was invaded and occupied. They should be given 10 years credit towards any sentence for what they have been through. Close this base and hand over this illegal occupation of land back to Cuba.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:20 PM on 11/10/2008
- Ramirez I'm a Fan of Ramirez 263 fans permalink
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Surveys of inmates in American prisons have suggested that nearly 100% of prisoners were either framed or jailed unfairly. We would find the same percentage in Gitmo, I think.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:54 PM on 11/10/2008
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Im not too sure I understand this artical, However Im going to comment on what I THINK I understand
is this saying they are bringing these terrorist over here to us to be tried? What if they are found not guilty? I do not want them here! Scary thought!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:19 PM on 11/10/2008
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I wouldn't worry. I don't suppose they'll want to stay in this country any longer than it will take to establish their innocence.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:23 PM on 11/10/2008
- nevadagirl I'm a Fan of nevadagirl 5 fans permalink

If they are found guilty they'll be put in prison. Duh.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 PM on 11/10/2008
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kiss my Cherry Lipstick butt! Girl

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:36 PM on 11/10/2008
- Strywever I'm a Fan of Strywever 28 fans permalink

I suspect they'll be deported back to the countries in which they originally were detained, or to their home countries. I'm fairly certain Obama's administration will be smart enough not just to give them free passes within the U. S. . . . aren't you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:32 PM on 11/10/2008
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Its already been stated that some wont be sent back to their home country due to the death threats from their own tribes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:57 PM on 11/10/2008
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Some of the prisoners ARE innocent. There's no evidence against them except hearsay and confessions obtained through torture. Some of them are not "terrorists" but legitimate prisoners-of-war, denied the human rights of POWs. A handful were even child soldiers who should have been sent home to their families immediately.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:32 PM on 11/10/2008

This is a real legal entanglement that is not going to go away. No country wants these prisoners and I don't want them in my county. I would revise the current "revised" military rules of evidence and allow these men a trial where they are. Set them for trial and release the unconvicted to any place they can arrange. We will be holding on to some of them for a long time. Gitmo will close in that it won't be receiving any new prisoners, but what does Obama plan to do with any new prisoners of war? Are we to believe there aren't going to be any new ones? Why a special court in the Federal system? It appears to me that Gitmo will close in name only. You will still have a special court with special rules for these prisoners of war, and Obama will most likely do the same thing Bush has done with the really special prisoners. Rule by executive order, tell me where is that in the constitution?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:18 PM on 11/10/2008

I'd be very uncomfortable with any new court system that applies to civilians and that doesn't allow appeals to the normal Federal court system.

Frankly, given the ability of the current court system to prosecute highly classified cases such as prosecuting spies working for the intelligence system, I don't understand why a new court is needed at all. I would definitely call on President Obama to explain this point.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 PM on 11/10/2008

GuantaNo Mo'!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 PM on 11/10/2008
- gotalife I'm a Fan of gotalife 22 fans permalink

President Obama should tell w he will be prosecuted for his crimes and looting the treasury.

No pardons.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 PM on 11/10/2008
- jagoneely I'm a Fan of jagoneely 11 fans permalink
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Wha...?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:56 PM on 11/10/2008
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That's one of many blemishes on America's reputation being removed, change is coming!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 PM on 11/10/2008

Bring real justice to Gitmo, President Obama. Thank you!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:02 PM on 11/10/2008
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Can we put Bush in there and THEN close it? Eye for an eye and all that...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:53 PM on 11/10/2008
- jagoneely I'm a Fan of jagoneely 11 fans permalink
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Put Bush in, then burn it down, as was suggested by another post. Then again, didn't "God" choose GWB to lead our country and torture at will??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:57 PM on 11/10/2008
- theMightyT I'm a Fan of theMightyT 171 fans permalink

no hand sanitizer.­.. so far so good! (on MSNBC... the president-elect just showed up at the WH)

I wonder how many rethuglican heads are popping right now?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:50 PM on 11/10/2008

All of them, I'm hoping.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 PM on 11/10/2008
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OT - Wow I love the red dress Michelle Obama is wearing today on her tour of the White House. She looks amazing!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:50 PM on 11/10/2008

Not even a week has gone by since the election and the good news just keeps rolling in. It really is a new day in America.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:46 PM on 11/10/2008
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"PROGRESSIVE IS THE NEW MAINSTREAM"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:49 PM on 11/10/2008

Jeez, hows it feel to be mainstream? Pretty good actually.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:53 PM on 11/10/2008
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If Gitmo is closed there'll be dancing in the streets.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:57 PM on 11/10/2008
- theMightyT I'm a Fan of theMightyT 171 fans permalink

I don't doubt it.

Liberals, moderates and independents everywhere will be overjoyed that respect for basic human rights has been restored..­.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 PM on 11/10/2008
- KarlaElisa I'm a Fan of KarlaElisa 19 fans permalink
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Gitmo is but one of many facilities we have that are detaining these people collected due to large bounties offered.

What's to become of the rest of the THOUSANDS we now hold with no recourse?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 PM on 11/10/2008
- comacoma I'm a Fan of comacoma 15 fans permalink

I think I will trust that President Obama will correct those injustices as well...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:50 PM on 11/10/2008
- Ramirez I'm a Fan of Ramirez 263 fans permalink
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They will be released and receive both reparations and the apology of a remorseful nation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:02 PM on 11/10/2008

"Advisers participating directly in the planning spoke on condition of anonymity because the plans aren't final."

Too many leaks! The Office of the President-elect needs to tighten some screws.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:42 PM on 11/10/2008
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Any "leaks" from Obama's office are intentional.

It's a way of asserting his position while Bush is still in office.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:43 PM on 11/10/2008
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