Obama Plans Guantanamo Close, US Trials

digg Share this on Facebook Huffpost - Obama Plans Guantanamo Close, US Trials stumble reddit del.ico.us RSS

MATT APUZZO and LARA JAKES JORDAN | November 10, 2008 10:45 PM EST | AP

Compare other versions »
I Like ItI Don’t Like It
In this June 6, 2008 file photo, reviewed by the U.S. Military, a guard stands at a gate at the Camp Delta detention compound, which has housed foreign prisoners since 2002, at Guantanamo Bay U.S. Naval Base in Cuba. (AP Photo/Brennan Linsley, File)

UPDATES: Barack Obama Big News Page

WASHINGTON — President-elect Obama's advisers are crafting plans to close the Guantanamo Bay prison and prosecute terrorism suspects in the U.S., a plan the Bush administration said Monday was easier said than done. Under the plan being crafted inside Obama's camp, some detainees would be released and others would be charged in U.S. courts, where they would receive constitutional rights and open trials.

But, underscoring the difficult decisions Obama must make to fulfill his pledge of shutting down Guantanamo, the plan could require the creation of a new legal system to handle the classified information inherent in some of the most sensitive cases.

Many of the about 250 Guantanamo detainees are cleared for release, but the Bush administration has not able been to find a country willing to take them.

Advisers participating directly in the planning spoke on condition of anonymity because the plans aren't final.

The plan being developed by Obama's team has been championed by legal scholars from both political parties. But as details surfaced Monday, it drew criticism from Democrats who oppose creating a new legal system and from Republicans who oppose bringing terrorism suspects to the U.S. mainland.

Obama foreign policy adviser Denis McDonough said the president-elect wants Guantanamo closed, but no decision has been made "about how and where to try the detainees, and there is no process in place to make that decision until his national security and legal teams are assembled."

Obama seeks a break from the Bush administration, which established military tribunals to prosecute detainees at the Navy base in Cuba and strongly opposes bringing prisoners to the United States. At the White House, spokeswoman Dana Perino said Monday that President Bush has faced many challenges in trying to close the prison.

"We've tried very hard to explain to people how complicated it is. When you pick up people off the battlefield that have a terrorist background, it's not just so easy to let them go," Perino said. "These issues are complicated, and we have put forward a process that we think would work in order to put them on trial through military tribunals."

Story continues below

But Obama has been critical of that process and his legal advisers said finding an alternative will be a top priority. One of those advisers, Harvard law professor Laurence Tribe, acknowledges that bringing detainees to the U.S. would be controversial but said it could be accomplished.

"I think the answer is going to be, they can be as securely guarded on U.S. soil as anywhere else," Tribe said. "We can't put people in a dungeon forever without processing whether they deserve to be there."

The tougher challenge will be allaying fears by Democrats who believe the Bush administration's military commissions were a farce and dislike the idea of giving detainees anything less than the full constitutional rights normally enjoyed by everyone on U.S. soil.

"I think that creating a new alternative court system in response to the abject failure of Guantanamo would be a profound mistake," Jonathan Hafetz, an American Civil Liberties Union attorney who represents detainees, said Monday. "We do not need a new court system. The last eight years are a testament to the problems of trying to create new systems."

Senate Judiciary Committee member John Cornyn, R-Texas, said it would be a "colossal mistake to treat terrorism as a mere crime."

"It would be a stunning disappointment if the one of the new administration's first priorities is to give foreign terror suspects captured on the battlefield the same legal rights and protections as American citizens accused of crimes," Cornyn said Monday, noting that the Senate overwhelmingly passed a nonbinding Senate bill last year opposing bringing detainees to the U.S.

Obama did not vote on that measure. He has said the civilian and military court-martial systems provide "a framework for dealing with the terrorists," and Tribe said the administration would look to those venues before creating a new legal system. But discussions of what a new system would look like have already started.

An Obama administration will want to avoid the criticisms that have marked the Bush administration's military commissions. Human rights groups and defense attorneys have condemned the commissions for lax evidence rules and intense secrecy. Some military prosecutors have even quit in protest.

"It would have to be some sort of hybrid that involves military commissions that actually administer justice rather than just serve as kangaroo courts," Tribe said. "It will have to both be and appear to be fundamentally fair in light of the circumstances. I think people are going to give an Obama administration the benefit of the doubt in that regard."

Some weren't so sure.

"There would be concern about establishing a completely new system," said Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., a member of the House Judiciary Committee and former federal prosecutor who is aware of the discussions in the Obama camp. "And in the sense that establishing a regimen of detention that includes American citizens and foreign nationals that takes place on U.S. soil and departs from the criminal justice system _ trying to establish that would be very difficult."

Though a hybrid court may be unpopular, other advisers and Democrats involved in the Guantanamo Bay discussions say Obama has few options.

Prosecuting all detainees in federal courts raises many problems. Evidence gathered through military interrogation or from intelligence sources might be thrown out. Defendants would have the right to confront witnesses, meaning undercover CIA officers or terrorist turncoats might have to take the stand, jeopardizing their cover and revealing classified intelligence tactics.

That means something different would need to be done if detainees couldn't be released or prosecuted in traditional courts. Exactly what remains unclear.

"I don't think we need to completely reinvent the wheel, but we need a better tribunal process that is more transparent," Schiff said.

According to three advisers participating in the process, Obama is expected to propose a new court system and may appoint a committee to decide how such a court would operate. Some detainees likely would be returned to the countries where they were first captured for further detention or rehabilitation. The rest could probably be prosecuted in U.S. criminal courts, one adviser said. All spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss the ongoing talks, which have been private.

One challenge will be figuring out what to do with the 90 or so Yemeni detainees _ the largest group in the prison. The Bush administration has sought to negotiate the release of some of those detainees as part of a rehabilitation plan with the Yemeni government. But talks have so far been fruitless.

Waleed Alshahari, who has been following Guantanamo issues for the Yemeni Embassy in Washington, said the plan being discussed by the Obama team was an improvement over the current system. But he said he expects most detainees to be released rather than stand trial.

"If the U.S. government has any evidence against them, they would try them and put them in jail," Alshahari said. "But it has been obvious they have nothing against them. That is why they have not faced trial."

Whatever Obama decides, he should move quickly, Tribe said.

"In reality and symbolically, the idea that we have people in legal black holes is an extremely serious black mark," Tribe said. "It has to be dealt with."

UPDATES: Barack Obama Big News Page WASHINGTON — President-elect Obama's advisers are crafting plans to close the Guantanamo Bay prison and prosecute terrorism suspects in the U.S., a plan the Bus...
UPDATES: Barack Obama Big News Page WASHINGTON — President-elect Obama's advisers are crafting plans to close the Guantanamo Bay prison and prosecute terrorism suspects in the U.S., a plan the Bus...
Filed by Rachel Weiner  |  Report Corrections
 
Comments
1140
Pending Comments
0
iPhone App Promo

Want to reply to a comment? Hint: Click "Reply" at the bottom of the comment; after being approved your comment will appear directly underneath the comment you replied to

View Comments:
Page: « First ‹ Previous 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 Next › Last » (19 pages total)
- lucite I'm a Fan of lucite 23 fans permalink
photo

Curious how much Gotmo cost taxpayers to keep that place opened.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:38 PM on 11/10/2008

Gitmo has been around for years so don't think its going back to Cuba. The prison will close only.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:35 PM on 11/10/2008

I'm all for capturing and interrogating people that want to bring harm to this country. However, you can't detain someone and leave them in prison for years with no charges. WTH is that? We have a legal system. If Bush doesn't believes there needs to be changes to our legal system, and there does, then he should've suggested some changes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 PM on 11/10/2008
- ZHarris2 I'm a Fan of ZHarris2 9 fans permalink

"and there does"

Care to be more specific?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:40 PM on 11/10/2008
- SailFree I'm a Fan of SailFree 29 fans permalink

Well, sure you can capture people who are fighting your troops and hold them until the war is over. It's always been done that way. Pretending this is a civil criminal legal issue is going to lead you to do stupid things like release Guantanamo prisoners on the streets of Miami, San Francisco, or Chicago.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 PM on 11/10/2008
- nevadagirl I'm a Fan of nevadagirl 5 fans permalink

That is just paranoid. Why would we be releasing them in the U.S. instead of re-patriating them to their countries of origin?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:30 PM on 11/10/2008
- Grunty1 I'm a Fan of Grunty1 228 fans permalink

Which people did we capture fighting our soldiers?
Most were turned in to warlords for a bounty with no investigation.
Which is the reason why Bushco couldn't bring charges...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:33 PM on 11/10/2008
- NotWaldo I'm a Fan of NotWaldo 44 fans permalink
photo

The World celebrate the election of President-elect, Barack OBAMA !

http://obama2008.s3.amazonaws.com/headlines.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:28 PM on 11/10/2008
photo

Yes they are!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 PM on 11/10/2008
- Collielady I'm a Fan of Collielady 90 fans permalink
photo

The ignorance and misunderstanding exhibited in some of these posts, that there are still some who think the heavy handed W policies are really okay, make me amazed that our democracy is still limping along. It's time to revisit the photos and stories of last Tuesday, and restore my faith in the majority Americans who came out, stood up, and did the RIGHT thing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:26 PM on 11/10/2008

The reason the conpervatives do not want the truth to come out is that they realize that the more that is known about the abuses of the Bush misadministration, the longer time they spend in the political wilderness.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 PM on 11/10/2008
- comacoma I'm a Fan of comacoma 15 fans permalink

.. or prison if there is really any justice in this nation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:51 PM on 11/10/2008
- Coyote2 I'm a Fan of Coyote2 85 fans permalink
photo

AIG: $85 + $150BILLION rescue package = $235 BILLION

“But perhaps the biggest concern about AIG is the dizzying array of complex financial instruments it structured. Besides life, property and OTHER INSURANCE OFFERINGS, AIG provides....â€

~
So what is the big deal about AIG that they deserve so much attention? What is the great fear that the media fails to inform us of?

1)- AIG provided much of the insurance to guarantee the (what turned out to be false) AAA ratings on now frozen paper. If they fall, the last leg holding up this paper is removed and disaster follows.

2)- AIG holds about $1.5 TRILLION in derivative investments. This is the RISK MARKETPLACE where risk is spread thinner by selling derivatives, or shares-of-risk. The derivative market is about $600 TRILLION, and it is stalling because of this crisis. If AIG fails, this 1.5TRILLION shock could destroy everyone's wealth: Dubai, Saudi, Russian notwithstanding.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 PM on 11/10/2008

I think the current $150B includes the $85B original program.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:09 PM on 11/10/2008
- GaiaTerra7 I'm a Fan of GaiaTerra7 4 fans permalink

It's about time!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 PM on 11/10/2008

.
"He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression;
for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself."

~Thomas Paine
.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 PM on 11/10/2008
photo

Thanks for that great quote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:32 PM on 11/10/2008

Beautiful.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:59 PM on 11/10/2008

Perfect.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 PM on 11/10/2008
- Ramirez I'm a Fan of Ramirez 289 fans permalink
photo

Outstanding.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 PM on 11/10/2008

Whoa. How can one like that quote and NOT want Gitmo's detainees given due process of law?

P.S. I'm at 679 and counting. ;-)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:53 PM on 11/10/2008
- Grunty1 I'm a Fan of Grunty1 228 fans permalink

The founding fathers were all very wise and far seeing.
Too bad Dubya never read a history book.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:35 PM on 11/10/2008

We will immediately begin regaining the respect of the rest of the "developed" countries.

Keep walking your talk, President Elect Obama. We need you to be a model of the new way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:23 PM on 11/10/2008
- theMightyT I'm a Fan of theMightyT 180 fans permalink

for Ramirez (since you're right, it's gone way off topic)

can you present a rational argument AGAINST closing Guantanamo?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 PM on 11/10/2008
- ZHarris2 I'm a Fan of ZHarris2 9 fans permalink

It would rather whine...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:30 PM on 11/10/2008
- Coyote2 I'm a Fan of Coyote2 85 fans permalink
photo

It scares the crap out of our enemies?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:31 PM on 11/10/2008
- theMightyT I'm a Fan of theMightyT 180 fans permalink

actually, it doesn't... it just p!$$es them off.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:32 PM on 11/10/2008
- ZHarris2 I'm a Fan of ZHarris2 9 fans permalink

must not be working

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:32 PM on 11/10/2008
- abby4ever I'm a Fan of abby4ever 266 fans permalink
photo

That, and the deterrent argument, are probably the only two going.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 PM on 11/10/2008
- MossyOak I'm a Fan of MossyOak 62 fans permalink
photo

It scares the crap out of Americans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:51 PM on 11/10/2008
- nevadagirl I'm a Fan of nevadagirl 5 fans permalink

If that were true no one would still be plotting against us. And if that's true, why are we still in Iraq and Afghanistan?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:32 PM on 11/10/2008
- Sassys I'm a Fan of Sassys 5 fans permalink
photo

Gitmos gotta go!! This one issue alone is partly to blame for the rest of the world looking at us like we are a bunch of lying thugs....there are innocent people in Gitmo that have been there for ages...how would any of us like it if it were us, or any of our relatives, stuck in that hell hole of a quagmire eh? I hope he shuts that place down and I hope Bush and Cheney eat CROW for as long as the first innocent person there has spent in that pit.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:19 PM on 11/10/2008

Reminds me of some of the prisons in South America where tourists are trapped.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 PM on 11/10/2008
- ZHarris2 I'm a Fan of ZHarris2 9 fans permalink

Is that an attempt to justify our behavior?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 PM on 11/10/2008
- ZHarris2 I'm a Fan of ZHarris2 9 fans permalink

I saw your post above...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:37 PM on 11/10/2008
- milman1 I'm a Fan of milman1 9 fans permalink

Current Tribunal Rules of Evidence

"Hearsay" presumed truthful unless defense can show it 's unreliable.

"Classified information" need not be disclosed to opposing party only presiding judge/panel (jury).

Mr. A told Mr. B that Mr. C, your client, did do something very bad, unfortunately we cannot tell you because it is classified, how do you plead?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:19 PM on 11/10/2008
- SirLance I'm a Fan of SirLance 5 fans permalink

Ok so if you want to close getmo what do you do with all the prisoners?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:17 PM on 11/10/2008
photo

try them

jail the guilty

free the innocent

see? simple!

--------------------------------------------
http://www.reverbnation.com/ere
--------------------------------------------

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:19 PM on 11/10/2008
- Roy49 I'm a Fan of Roy49 4 fans permalink
photo

Habius Corpus...that's what 'The Real' America is all about. Justice for all!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:35 PM on 11/10/2008
photo

Have trials.

Convict the guilty, free the innocent.

There.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:20 PM on 11/10/2008

Put them on trial like we do all other accused.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:22 PM on 11/10/2008
- cardtosser I'm a Fan of cardtosser 6 fans permalink
photo

You move them to Federal or military prisons in the United States. You try them, if they are accused of crimes. You hold them until the end of hostilities if they are prisoners of war. If they are neither, you repatriate them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 PM on 11/10/2008
- Collielady I'm a Fan of Collielady 90 fans permalink
photo

Try them. What are we afraid of? That the truth, in some cases, won't support our pre-conceived condemnations?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:29 PM on 11/10/2008

I agree close Guantanamo.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:16 PM on 11/10/2008

why is that a picture on the Main Page of a black hooded, orange jumpsuit lookin person in front of a DC building with snow coming down. Does that mean something?
Cuz i'd like to know what the picture is really of and what they are trying to say.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:13 PM on 11/10/2008
photo

protestor dressed as detainee

--------------------------------------------
http://www.reverbnation.com/ere
--------------------------------------------

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:19 PM on 11/10/2008

aaahhh i c

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:49 PM on 11/11/2008
- Collielady I'm a Fan of Collielady 90 fans permalink
photo

Probably a protestor, or photoshop, or a little of each.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:35 PM on 11/10/2008
Page: « First ‹ Previous 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 Next › Last » (19 pages total)
Comments are closed for this entry

 You must be logged in to comment. Log in  or connect with 

Connect