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MATT APUZZO and LARA JAKES JORDAN | November 10, 2008 10:45 PM EST | AP

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In this June 6, 2008 file photo, reviewed by the U.S. Military, a guard stands at a gate at the Camp Delta detention compound, which has housed foreign prisoners since 2002, at Guantanamo Bay U.S. Naval Base in Cuba. (AP Photo/Brennan Linsley, File)

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WASHINGTON — President-elect Obama's advisers are crafting plans to close the Guantanamo Bay prison and prosecute terrorism suspects in the U.S., a plan the Bush administration said Monday was easier said than done. Under the plan being crafted inside Obama's camp, some detainees would be released and others would be charged in U.S. courts, where they would receive constitutional rights and open trials.

But, underscoring the difficult decisions Obama must make to fulfill his pledge of shutting down Guantanamo, the plan could require the creation of a new legal system to handle the classified information inherent in some of the most sensitive cases.

Many of the about 250 Guantanamo detainees are cleared for release, but the Bush administration has not able been to find a country willing to take them.

Advisers participating directly in the planning spoke on condition of anonymity because the plans aren't final.

The plan being developed by Obama's team has been championed by legal scholars from both political parties. But as details surfaced Monday, it drew criticism from Democrats who oppose creating a new legal system and from Republicans who oppose bringing terrorism suspects to the U.S. mainland.

Obama foreign policy adviser Denis McDonough said the president-elect wants Guantanamo closed, but no decision has been made "about how and where to try the detainees, and there is no process in place to make that decision until his national security and legal teams are assembled."

Obama seeks a break from the Bush administration, which established military tribunals to prosecute detainees at the Navy base in Cuba and strongly opposes bringing prisoners to the United States. At the White House, spokeswoman Dana Perino said Monday that President Bush has faced many challenges in trying to close the prison.

"We've tried very hard to explain to people how complicated it is. When you pick up people off the battlefield that have a terrorist background, it's not just so easy to let them go," Perino said. "These issues are complicated, and we have put forward a process that we think would work in order to put them on trial through military tribunals."

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But Obama has been critical of that process and his legal advisers said finding an alternative will be a top priority. One of those advisers, Harvard law professor Laurence Tribe, acknowledges that bringing detainees to the U.S. would be controversial but said it could be accomplished.

"I think the answer is going to be, they can be as securely guarded on U.S. soil as anywhere else," Tribe said. "We can't put people in a dungeon forever without processing whether they deserve to be there."

The tougher challenge will be allaying fears by Democrats who believe the Bush administration's military commissions were a farce and dislike the idea of giving detainees anything less than the full constitutional rights normally enjoyed by everyone on U.S. soil.

"I think that creating a new alternative court system in response to the abject failure of Guantanamo would be a profound mistake," Jonathan Hafetz, an American Civil Liberties Union attorney who represents detainees, said Monday. "We do not need a new court system. The last eight years are a testament to the problems of trying to create new systems."

Senate Judiciary Committee member John Cornyn, R-Texas, said it would be a "colossal mistake to treat terrorism as a mere crime."

"It would be a stunning disappointment if the one of the new administration's first priorities is to give foreign terror suspects captured on the battlefield the same legal rights and protections as American citizens accused of crimes," Cornyn said Monday, noting that the Senate overwhelmingly passed a nonbinding Senate bill last year opposing bringing detainees to the U.S.

Obama did not vote on that measure. He has said the civilian and military court-martial systems provide "a framework for dealing with the terrorists," and Tribe said the administration would look to those venues before creating a new legal system. But discussions of what a new system would look like have already started.

An Obama administration will want to avoid the criticisms that have marked the Bush administration's military commissions. Human rights groups and defense attorneys have condemned the commissions for lax evidence rules and intense secrecy. Some military prosecutors have even quit in protest.

"It would have to be some sort of hybrid that involves military commissions that actually administer justice rather than just serve as kangaroo courts," Tribe said. "It will have to both be and appear to be fundamentally fair in light of the circumstances. I think people are going to give an Obama administration the benefit of the doubt in that regard."

Some weren't so sure.

"There would be concern about establishing a completely new system," said Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., a member of the House Judiciary Committee and former federal prosecutor who is aware of the discussions in the Obama camp. "And in the sense that establishing a regimen of detention that includes American citizens and foreign nationals that takes place on U.S. soil and departs from the criminal justice system _ trying to establish that would be very difficult."

Though a hybrid court may be unpopular, other advisers and Democrats involved in the Guantanamo Bay discussions say Obama has few options.

Prosecuting all detainees in federal courts raises many problems. Evidence gathered through military interrogation or from intelligence sources might be thrown out. Defendants would have the right to confront witnesses, meaning undercover CIA officers or terrorist turncoats might have to take the stand, jeopardizing their cover and revealing classified intelligence tactics.

That means something different would need to be done if detainees couldn't be released or prosecuted in traditional courts. Exactly what remains unclear.

"I don't think we need to completely reinvent the wheel, but we need a better tribunal process that is more transparent," Schiff said.

According to three advisers participating in the process, Obama is expected to propose a new court system and may appoint a committee to decide how such a court would operate. Some detainees likely would be returned to the countries where they were first captured for further detention or rehabilitation. The rest could probably be prosecuted in U.S. criminal courts, one adviser said. All spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss the ongoing talks, which have been private.

One challenge will be figuring out what to do with the 90 or so Yemeni detainees _ the largest group in the prison. The Bush administration has sought to negotiate the release of some of those detainees as part of a rehabilitation plan with the Yemeni government. But talks have so far been fruitless.

Waleed Alshahari, who has been following Guantanamo issues for the Yemeni Embassy in Washington, said the plan being discussed by the Obama team was an improvement over the current system. But he said he expects most detainees to be released rather than stand trial.

"If the U.S. government has any evidence against them, they would try them and put them in jail," Alshahari said. "But it has been obvious they have nothing against them. That is why they have not faced trial."

Whatever Obama decides, he should move quickly, Tribe said.

"In reality and symbolically, the idea that we have people in legal black holes is an extremely serious black mark," Tribe said. "It has to be dealt with."

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- mrsmdressup I'm a Fan of mrsmdressup 326 fans permalink
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The positive fallout of closing Gitmo will far outweigh any negatives.

It will be the beginning of a new-found respect for the US throughout the world.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 PM on 11/10/2008
- peggyleg I'm a Fan of peggyleg 22 fans permalink

Who doesn't respect us for Gitmo? Iran? Lybia? Cuba? Who??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 PM on 11/10/2008

Making a list ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 PM on 11/10/2008
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it's called Earth, visit sometime

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 PM on 11/10/2008

Try Canada, almost all of Europe, most of Latin America, almost all of Africa, and most of Asia as well.

Whether you like or not, we live in the world.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 PM on 11/10/2008
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Yeah, reckon why the rethugs REALLY don't want the prisoners to be brought to the US. Could it be... no more torture allowed? Because we certainly do not torture on US soil, now do we? Hmmmmm?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 PM on 11/10/2008
- NickNas I'm a Fan of NickNas 6 fans permalink

NEWSFLASH!!!!

It is OFFICIAL Poll out today shows Bush to be rated even LOWER THAN NIXON WHEN HE RESIGNED!!!

He BROKE HIS OWN LOW RECORD!

What is so SAD about his is the fact that MILLIONS of us out here KNEW this would happen 8 years ago AND PEOPLE STILL VOTED HIM IN!!!!

It is a Bittersweet vindication for those of us who knew he would ruin our country and a humiliating realization for the zealots who voted FOR this failure of a president against all the massive evidence that he was always a failure BEFORE he was appointed President in the first place.

I have never felt that I was owed an apology so much in my 46 years than we all deserve from the people who put this man in power.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 PM on 11/10/2008

Great post! Totally agree....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 PM on 11/10/2008
- MizLiz I'm a Fan of MizLiz 59 fans permalink
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Yeah, but he was the guy everyone wanted to hang out and have a beer with.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 PM on 11/10/2008
- peggyleg I'm a Fan of peggyleg 22 fans permalink

And the whole of Congress has even lower ratings than President Bush....so your point is...??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:43 PM on 11/10/2008
- zenlikejen I'm a Fan of zenlikejen 19 fans permalink
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But apparently NOTHING is lower than *your* I.Q.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:23 PM on 11/10/2008
- ZHarris2 I'm a Fan of ZHarris2 9 fans permalink

How does that justify Bush's chit poor ratings?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 PM on 11/10/2008
- ccpostman I'm a Fan of ccpostman 22 fans permalink
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It will keep dropping even after he leaves office due to all the upcoming revelations about his illegal practices in office.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:57 PM on 11/10/2008

Gitmo was left open so that the next President could call for it's closing.

The conditions and transparency there have improved considerably in the past several years. The fact that it's closing, while good PR for the new President (irrespective of who would've won), it's probably bad news for the "enemy combatants" detained there. Instead of being held at Gitmo, they will now likely be held in offshore prisons in Egypt and SA.

Not only did conditions improve at Gitmo, the Court's decision in Boumediene granted the detainees habeas rights. However, the extraterritoriality of those rights was held contingent upon factors unique to Gitmo (quasi-sov­ereignty). Detainees in Egypt and SA won't have the right to challenge their detentions.

Gitmo is closing because it no longer serves its original function--to hold detainees in opaque legal limbo.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 PM on 11/10/2008
- Mudge I'm a Fan of Mudge 4 fans permalink

Before their trials, they could be housed at the new Federal Maximum Security Prison in Crawford, Texas

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:28 PM on 11/10/2008
- myangeldog1 I'm a Fan of myangeldog1 102 fans permalink
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TEXAS! It's the PERFECT place! HA!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 PM on 11/10/2008

Could be considered cruel and unusual punishment.

“If I owned Texas and He.ll, I would rent Texas and live in He.llâ€

~Civil W.ar General Phillip Sheridan

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 PM on 11/10/2008
- peggyleg I'm a Fan of peggyleg 22 fans permalink

H E L L . NO!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 PM on 11/10/2008
- ZHarris2 I'm a Fan of ZHarris2 9 fans permalink

Good one!

NOT

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:26 PM on 11/10/2008
- MTOrtega I'm a Fan of MTOrtega 2 fans permalink
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LOL!
Like a good neighbor W. will be there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 PM on 11/10/2008
- HallStyle I'm a Fan of HallStyle 11 fans permalink
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We should have never left the base open after The Cuba Revolution. We should have closed it then. And we wonder why we are hated around the world. Just count how many bases we have around the world! There lies the truth.

http://www.hallstyle.blogspot.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 PM on 11/10/2008
- peggyleg I'm a Fan of peggyleg 22 fans permalink

Who hates us for Gitmo??? Iran? Lybia, Syria? Cuba?? Russia??? Who??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 PM on 11/10/2008
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American patriots.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:49 PM on 11/10/2008
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Only sissies fear American ideals.

So tro//s, why are you all such sissies?

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:24 PM on 11/10/2008
- ZHarris2 I'm a Fan of ZHarris2 9 fans permalink

because they have little tiny minds...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:30 PM on 11/10/2008
- protagonia I'm a Fan of protagonia 77 fans permalink

And no soul. They are remote controlled toys.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:43 PM on 11/10/2008
- peggyleg I'm a Fan of peggyleg 22 fans permalink

I have no fear of American ideals, I only fear the ideals of very liberal politicians....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:46 PM on 11/10/2008
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you wouldn't know an American ideal if it bit you in the a$$.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:50 PM on 11/10/2008
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thank you for making my point

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 PM on 11/10/2008
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Tell me.... did you hide in a shelter on election day, like the McCain supporters on South Park?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:39 PM on 11/10/2008
- SeconLine I'm a Fan of SeconLine 64 fans permalink
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I'd like to see a ceremony to reinstate the Constitution as our basis for government.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 PM on 11/10/2008

That ceremony is already contained within the United States Constitution.

"I, Barack Hussein Obama, do solemnly swear that I will faithfully..."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:23 PM on 11/10/2008
- myangeldog1 I'm a Fan of myangeldog1 102 fans permalink
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Beautiful!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:28 PM on 11/10/2008
- ZHarris2 I'm a Fan of ZHarris2 9 fans permalink

As a constitution lawyer, I'm sure President-elect Obama knows what the word "execute" really means...

And it's not K ILL the Constitution !!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 PM on 11/10/2008
- ginxy I'm a Fan of ginxy 7 fans permalink
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Brilliant idea.

This would give everyone the opportunity to really learn about the Constitution.

We certainly could use some brushing up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 PM on 11/10/2008
- peggyleg I'm a Fan of peggyleg 22 fans permalink

Better talk to BO, he has already said he doesn't agree with much of our constituition...oh well..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 PM on 11/10/2008
- zenlikejen I'm a Fan of zenlikejen 19 fans permalink
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I'll just *bet* your eyes are brown, aren't they?

....matches all the cr ap you swallow.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:26 PM on 11/10/2008
- ZHarris2 I'm a Fan of ZHarris2 9 fans permalink

l iar

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:26 PM on 11/10/2008
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Source for this incredibly out-of-character comment, please? Without sourcing it's all BS & doubletalk, peg.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:39 PM on 11/10/2008
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Your right, he just taught it for 10 years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:40 PM on 11/10/2008
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It's good that this is being addressed so quickly - and not allowed to fester. It will be interesting to see the solutions to the Bush Doctrine.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 PM on 11/10/2008

In what respect?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 PM on 11/10/2008
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Funny the article didn't mention habeus corpus. Restoring that basic right should also be high on Obama's list to do right away.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 PM on 11/10/2008
- williamg I'm a Fan of williamg 251 fans permalink
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"The more I think about it the more this election day feels like one giant collective, global puke. That Bush-Cheney thing never quite settled with us, did it? We'll feel a lot better but a lot more tired once the last heave is over."


http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/11/awaiting-the-po.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 PM on 11/10/2008
- Minako I'm a Fan of Minako 44 fans permalink
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A bit gross, but apt.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 PM on 11/10/2008
- abby4ever I'm a Fan of abby4ever 229 fans permalink
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Yuk.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:23 PM on 11/10/2008

and, at the same time, sa rah stag gers off john fa ce

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:28 PM on 11/10/2008
- dentuso I'm a Fan of dentuso 427 fans permalink
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Off-topic, but noteworthy.

DOW trading volume is WAY up, but sits at single digit change. There's certainly some reason to believe that it's finally starting to stabilize, finding true center.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 PM on 11/10/2008

Markets are up because of the Chinese stimulus plan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 PM on 11/10/2008

I still maintain we are in a bear market. There will be funds buying & bargain hunting, but the trend is still lower.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 PM on 11/10/2008
- dentuso I'm a Fan of dentuso 427 fans permalink
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Actually, they're not exaggerated gains as a result of it, which is my point. We may have reached the end of wild ups and downs, which was necessary before recovery.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 PM on 11/10/2008

Isn't it funny how the tr0lls disappear when the market is up. Yet if it were down they would be blaming Obama.
Too funny.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 PM on 11/10/2008
- Ramirez I'm a Fan of Ramirez 259 fans permalink
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Is the market up? I really haven't watched it today?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:39 PM on 11/10/2008
- Ramirez I'm a Fan of Ramirez 259 fans permalink
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Yeah. Someone should start a thread about the stock market.

I bet someone on the business page might try it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 PM on 11/10/2008
- kellygrrrl I'm a Fan of kellygrrrl 640 fans permalink
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Bush offered Obama hand sanitizer? It's going to take a lot more than that to kill the NeoVirus

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 PM on 11/10/2008
- MIMom I'm a Fan of MIMom 109 fans permalink
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I LIKE that!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:24 PM on 11/10/2008
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Yes, more good new's to over turn everthing GW did that was wrong

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 PM on 11/10/2008
- myangeldog1 I'm a Fan of myangeldog1 102 fans permalink
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I read Ron Suskinds book, "The Ways of the World" and was saddened beyond belief that this was my America that had lowered itself to such cruelty. Some of these people aren't meant to be there and there is proof to back this up. While I don't believe we should end the "w a r on t e r r o r", I do believe that we need to be much wiser about how we proceed. My heart soared when I read this headline this morning.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 PM on 11/10/2008
- shades3 I'm a Fan of shades3 33 fans permalink

Not just SOME of these people should not be imprisoned, myangeldog1.
According to many sources, as many as 80% of the so-called worst-of-the-worst, as Rumsfeld called them, were guilty of nothing, having been scooped up by those who either had a personal grudge, or sought to get some of the American dollars, being spread around like confetti by the Bush Administration.
Most were ordinary people, who because they looked foreign, were assumed to be terrorists, by inexperienced and angry young soldiers who had little or no supervision or basic decency either, it would seem.

Allowing these people, years of whose lives have been stolen, to go back to their families is the least the U.S. can do. Even that cannot undo the harm, or give back those stolen years.
These are shameful acts by an evil administration which can never really be righted.
How does a husband and father get back YEARS of life with his wife and children, stolen from them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 PM on 11/10/2008
- CBS I'm a Fan of CBS 18 fans permalink
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Boosh has said he wanted to close it. So......why is it still open? O will do the right thing and I hope that is one of his first acts as Prez. Will set the Can Do tone which will define his administration.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 PM on 11/10/2008
- MikeGuy I'm a Fan of MikeGuy 3 fans permalink

It's still open because Bush reversed his plan to close it, leaving it to the new administration. Another abdication of his responsibility. Is it January 20 yet?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 PM on 11/10/2008
- robotfog I'm a Fan of robotfog 23 fans permalink
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bush never does what he says he will

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 PM on 11/10/2008
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