Anti-Abortion Groups Invigorated By Obama Win

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DAVID CRARY | November 11, 2008 04:42 PM EST | AP

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In a Tuesday, Nov. 4, 2008 photo, Samantha Scarlata and her son Kade cheer for the cameras at the Vote Yes for Life election celebration in Sioux Falls, S.D. With Democrats now in full control in Washington, tactics for anti-abortion groups are likely to refocus on street protests, grass-roots activism and state legislation. (AP Photo/Doug Dreyer)

NEW YORK — Despite election setbacks on many fronts, anti-abortion leaders sound more defiant than deflated as they brace for a future with fewer friends in high places.

With Democrats soon to be in full control in Washington, tactics for anti-abortion groups are likely to refocus on street protests, grass-roots activism and state legislation. One major three-day protest is scheduled to start in the nation's capital on Jan. 21, a day after Barack Obama's inauguration as president.

"The election forces the pro-life movement to go back to what we do best _ local grass-roots organizing," said the Rev. Patrick J. Mahoney, director of the Christian Defense Coalition. "We will not go silently into the night."

At almost every level, last week's election was a stinging defeat for the anti-abortion movement, starting with Obama's presidential victory. Priests for Life said voters "made a grave mistake," while Mahoney's group, in a refrain shared by many conservatives, contended that Obama will be "the most radical pro-abortion president" in U.S. history.

In Congress, supporters of abortion rights now hold 17 more seats in the House and at least four more in the Senate, according to NARAL Pro-Choice America. And at the state level, voters in Colorado, South Dakota and California defeated ballot measures that would have banned or restricted abortions.

Obama's election also dashed hopes within the anti-abortion movement for possible Supreme Court vacancies over the next four years to be filled by judges who might support reversal of Roe v. Wade, the 1973 decision establishing a right to abortion.

The overall outcome "brings about feelings of great disappointment, of anger," said the Rev. Frank Pavone, national director of Priests for Life. "But that disappointment and anger are forms of energy. ...I believe a lot of people on the sidelines for last eight years will now get engaged."

Pavone predicted that activists would stage more mass demonstrations and abortion-clinic vigils. He also said the election results shed light on the movement's weak points, and would prompt new efforts to register anti-abortion voters and mobilize clergy to be more outspoken in future campaigns.

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Another outlet for activism is the ever-growing network of local pregnancy centers run by anti-abortion staffers who seek to persuade young women with unintended pregnancies to choose adoption or single motherhood over abortion.

"While legislative efforts to protect the unborn and women from abortion may be limited in future years, the work of pregnancy centers is advancing stronger than ever," said Melinda Delahoyde, president of Care Net. Her network supports 1,100 centers, and is concentrating expansion efforts in black and Hispanic inner-city areas.

Delahoyde said she hoped Obama would live up to his campaign rhetoric and reach out to groups with different views, including the anti-abortion movement.

"We have a lot to bring to the table," she said. "Don't exclude us because we don't line up with you on certain issues."

One of those issues is contraception. Under a Democratic-led government, abortion-rights supporters will call on conservatives to join in an effort to reduce abortions by reducing unintended pregnancies. Anti-abortion leaders say they are unwilling to do this if it means abandoning their abstinence-only approach and supporting greater access to birth control for unmarried women.

"We have a totally different view from other side in how we look at sexuality," said Pavone. "That's where there's no common ground."

Although anti-abortion leaders have abandoned any short-term hopes for favorable legislation out of Congress, they are prepared to lobby intensely if Democrats try to push through a long-pending abortion-rights bill called the Freedom of Choice Act. It would likely override scores of state laws that place limited restrictions on abortion _ including parental notification laws and mandatory waiting periods before an abortion.

"We will do everything to be sure it fails _ the damage it would do to the pro-life movement would be immeasurable," said Mahoney. "On the scale of 1 to 10, that's No. 11 of what our job is."

Another priority, Mahoney said, would be to insist that any health-care legislation emerging from the new Congress does not open the door to any federal funding of abortions.

Within the abortion-rights movement, the election results were viewed as a comprehensive victory, and a repudiation of their rivals.

"The hardline, divisive tactics they've used have been resoundingly rejected," said Cecile Richards, president of the Planned Parenthood Federation of America. "We'll probably see some splintering within the conservative community. ...I'd hope some of the folks on the right, if their goal is to reduce the need for abortions, would link arms with us."

But for now, anti-abortion leaders are eager to appear undaunted.

"Any time you have a loss like that, you have an opportunity to reassess and come back stronger," said Charmaine Yoest, president of Americans United for Life. "If they want to see this as a big loss that will set us back, that's OK. Our people are very energized, and ready for Round Two."

To Alesha Doan, a University of Kansas political scientist who studies the anti-abortion movement, the feisty response and the vows of street protests make sense.

"I'd be shocked if the pro-life movement stopped protesting _ that's been the area where they've had success in closing some abortion clinics," she said. "If you compromise, you lose the core of the movement."

NEW YORK — Despite election setbacks on many fronts, anti-abortion leaders sound more defiant than deflated as they brace for a future with fewer friends in high places. With Democrats soon to ...
NEW YORK — Despite election setbacks on many fronts, anti-abortion leaders sound more defiant than deflated as they brace for a future with fewer friends in high places. With Democrats soon to ...
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- kjstjohn I'm a Fan of kjstjohn 252 fans permalink
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Anti-choice people are going to have to make a choice about what they hate more: giving contraception to sexually-active teenages or abortion. We need to use data to convince them that their current stance is a de facto choice in favor of abortion.

Do the fundies understand that a huge percentage of their children who say they are v!rgins are having unprotected or@l sex, which they think does not count?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 AM on 11/12/2008
- lunchlady I'm a Fan of lunchlady 17 fans permalink

These guys are so mad they didn't get McCain and Palin and more Supreme Court Justices in the next 4 years. Obama isn't at all extreme in his support of reproductive freedom, in spite of all the nattering about his Present Vote.
Those signs invigorate me to remind everyone that the fight for real support of control of basic personal health issues is not over because it continures to be under constant attack.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 AM on 11/12/2008
- evekendall I'm a Fan of evekendall 149 fans permalink
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". . .abortion-rights supporters will call on conservatives to join in an effort to reduce abortions by reducing unintended pregnancies. Anti-abortion leaders say they are unwilling to do this if it means abandoning their abstinence-only approach and supporting greater access to birth control for unmarried women. . . "We have a totally different view from other side in how we look at sexuality," said Pavone.".

That's it in a nutshell. They "have a totally different view" of sexuality. No birth control. No sex education. This is not really about abortion to these people. It is about sex, and Pavone just admitted it. Translation: If a woman has sex, she should have to suffer the consequences.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 AM on 11/12/2008
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You are right. It is about control of reproduction. Control of women and by extension, control of the womb. They are pro-birth, not anti-abortion.

If they truly wanted to reduced abortions, their approach would be very different.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 AM on 11/12/2008
- evekendall I'm a Fan of evekendall 149 fans permalink
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They are pro-birth-by-force, aren't they?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 AM on 11/12/2008
- colleen2 I'm a Fan of colleen2 5 fans permalink

"Another outlet for activism is the ever-growing network of local pregnancy centers run by anti-abortion staffers who seek to persuade young women with unintended pregnancies to choose adoption or single motherhood over abortion.",/i>

Single motherhood? One would think that the terminally snoopy and judgmental 'family values' crowd would at some point even suggest that the male involved in each and every unwanted pregnancy man up. But no. It's as if fatherhood is optional in their peculiar notions of right and wrong..
There's something very sick and unhealthy about social conservatives in their relentless obsession with fertilized eggs and controlling the bodies of women they do not know and who do not wish to know them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 AM on 11/12/2008

You write, "There's something very sick and unhealthy about social conservatives in their relentless obsession with fertilized eggs and controlling the bodies of women they do not know and who do not wish to know them."
Let the social conservatives obsess but make it clear they can not leglislate their values on this nation. A new position has emerged since the election that defies our national right to hold personal religious beliefs. The religious right needs to be challeged on this. Then we agree to put in place ways to educate on ways to prevent unwanted pregnancy and viable alternatives for those women that encourages them to carry to term.
If as a nation we do not settle this we are condemned to Nationalize Christianity. That is the issue. We either have the right to choose our religious beliefs or we do not. This I believe was settled by our founding fathers and defended by the many lives of our militiary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:55 AM on 11/12/2008
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They had congress, the supreme court and the white house for most of the last 8 years. If they really cared, they would of done something then. But, they don't. Abortion is a wedge issue. It was used in both the bush campaigns and the day after he was appointed, we never heard about abortion again.
I say, let's tax all churches.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:02 AM on 11/12/2008

Actually, although I am liberal, I think it's far from impossible that over the coming decades people will become less indulgent of a very liberal regime re. abortion. The fact that so many middle class couples are now getting ultra-sounds of their babies in the womb might ultimately change public attitudes. A lot of the comments here are fairly knee-jerk, dismissive and frankly fundamentalist from an extreme liberal perspective. The people at both extremes in this argument can be fanatical. The horrible thing about the very far right is that they only give a damn about a kid up to the point that s/he is born. After that they are not wiling to countenance supporting adequate welfare and facilities for single moms. The extreme liberal view is unwilling to countenance the idea that abortion might well be the snuffing out of a life, or to be troubled by that possibility. Wouldn't it be great to have a first class welfare system and a situation where all kids were born, i.e. given the chance we who are blogging have been given. We had no control about whether we'd be aborted or not when we were in the womb. Humility in the face of all this is required. Obama is capable of an intelligent measured approach to the issue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:42 PM on 11/11/2008

Nice to see some balanced views on this site.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:30 AM on 11/12/2008
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Where in your diatribe is there anything about preventing unwanted pregnancies in the first place? It seems to me that if we allow contraception (male and female) and teach kids real sex education at an appropriate age we can almost eliminate abortion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:38 AM on 11/12/2008
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Where in your diatribe is there anything about preventing unwanted preg.nancies in the first place? It seems to me that if we allow contra.ception (male and female) and teach kids real s.e.x education at an appropriate age we can almost eliminate abortion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:39 AM on 11/12/2008
- jeanwny I'm a Fan of jeanwny 12 fans permalink

The "prolife" proponants have yet to explain why they find it perfectly acceptable to murder Dr.'s (10 years ago in my community, Dr. Bernard Slepian) as he practiced his profession, according to the law, is this some kind of double standard or what?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:40 PM on 11/11/2008
- bigbenny I'm a Fan of bigbenny 43 fans permalink
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Don't forget these people who were also murdered: Dr David Gunn, Dr John Bayard Britton, James Barrett, Shannon Lowney, and Leanne Nichols. At least 6 other people have been shot and seriously wounded. Dr George Tiller now wears a bulletproof vest to work.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 AM on 11/12/2008
- bigbenny I'm a Fan of bigbenny 43 fans permalink
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I thought the filter got this one. My bad ;-D

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 AM on 11/12/2008
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Don't forget these people who were also slain: Dr David Gunn, Dr John Bayard Britton, James Barrett, Shannon Lowney, and Leanne Nichols. At least 6 other people have been seriously wounded. Dr George Tiller now wears a bul.let.proof vest to work.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 AM on 11/12/2008
- Aroura I'm a Fan of Aroura 2 fans permalink

First, let me say that I don't think abortion should be a political issue. Church and state, and all that.

Anyway, in the article the anti-abortion rep said"
"We have a lot to bring to the table," she said. "Don't exclude us because we don't line up with you on certain issues.
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"We have a totally different view from other side in how we look at sexuality," said Pavone. "That's where there's no common ground."

Since they have 2 real issues, birth control and abortion, and their stance on both is a complete NO with no exceptions, I tend to think the bring nothing to the table. I hope this movement keeps on shrinking.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:30 PM on 11/11/2008

There sure is a lot of stereotyping in this thread. People's political and social opinions do not fit the neat stereotypes. I bet there are some feminists and some atheists who think that Roe v. Wade was wrongly decided as a matter of constitutional interpretation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 PM on 11/11/2008
- kjstjohn I'm a Fan of kjstjohn 252 fans permalink
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I am pro-choice. I think Roe v. Wade was wrongly decided as a matter of constitutional interpretation. I also think it should stand as a matter of stare decisis.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:34 PM on 11/11/2008
- bigbenny I'm a Fan of bigbenny 43 fans permalink
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It’s odd that the anti-abortion folks are all christian conservatives who base their views on a conflicted collection of books. Unfortunately there is nowhere in their books that supports their point of view. In fact neither their books nor their god have any viewpoint as to just when life begins. It seems the only time there is a position is after the baby starts breathing its life begins, certainly a long time after conception. In fact the only penalty prescribed for the destruction of a newborn is some sort of fine paid to the father.

I’d like to know how the anti-abortionists can be so certain when life begins. I have a hunch that their views are more about control than saving lives. You know, make everyone conform to their viewpoints and getting their christian agenda into law thus forcing the United States of America to become a conservative christian nation. Unfortunately, if they get their way the other 200 or so religions, including other christian sects, and those folks that don’t subscribe to a supernatural being would be forced to accept their points of view or be subjugated to a subservient role. It is more about power and control than saving lives.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 PM on 11/11/2008
- kjstjohn I'm a Fan of kjstjohn 252 fans permalink
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There is a section in the old Testament that made me nearly fall out of my chair when I read it. (Leviticus, perhaps, or maybe Deuteronomy.) The prescribed punishment for beating a pregnant woman to death was the same as the punishment for murder. The punishment for beating a woman and causing the death of her unborn child was less than the punishment for murder.

Any Bible scholars out there who know the passage?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 PM on 11/11/2008
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You are totally correct.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 PM on 11/11/2008
- kjstjohn I'm a Fan of kjstjohn 252 fans permalink
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I got caught by the word filter. Let me try again.

There is a section in the old Testament that made me nearly fall out of my chair when I read it. (Leviticus, perhaps, or maybe Deuteronomy.) The prescribed punishment for be@ting a pregn@nt woman to de@th was the same as the punishment for mur.der. The pun.ishment for be@ting a woman and causing the de@th of her un.born child was less than the pun.ishment for mu.rder.

Any Bible scholars out there who know the passage?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 PM on 11/11/2008
- bigbenny I'm a Fan of bigbenny 43 fans permalink
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Check out this link. It might help:

http://www.mwillett.org/atheism/abort.htm

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 PM on 11/11/2008
- bigbenny I'm a Fan of bigbenny 43 fans permalink
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I should also say that it took two tries to get this posted. What bothers me is they can use words like f.u.c.k and s.h.i.t in their articles but we can't use them when we are commenting on those articles.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:56 PM on 11/11/2008
- Yves Papa I'm a Fan of Yves Papa 14 fans permalink

An distract citizens from the real issues about government.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 AM on 11/12/2008
- RitaLouise I'm a Fan of RitaLouise 2 fans permalink

Pray tell, if you "right to lifer" folks are so supremely dedicated to a life, why is it that all religions condone sending their parishioners to war to rain hell and havoc, and bullets, bombs and napalm on enemies and innocent bystanders alike. How damned hypocritical can you possibly get? Is it perhaps that it is easier to go after a woman who wants control of her life than take on a nation hell bent on going to war? That is yellow, shallow, and hypocrisy in its brightest light! Teach your children at HOME, not in school what you believe, and let the rest of us ALONE! If we go to what you perceive as hell what is that to you? Or does God give you virgins for each one of us you convert?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 PM on 11/11/2008
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It seems the general consensus from us posters here pretty much agree that these hypocrites are not 'pro-life' at all. They're only 'pro-birth'--and after that, one is totally screwed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:50 PM on 11/11/2008
- bigbenny I'm a Fan of bigbenny 43 fans permalink
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Unfortunately that is a big part of the problem. They indoctrinate their kids almost from birth to believe their junk, similar to the militant islamists teach their children to hate, and the next bunch of right to lifers are created.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 AM on 11/12/2008
- DianeBkht I'm a Fan of DianeBkht 5 fans permalink

LOL Where have these people been? Abortion has been an issue every election! President Bush thus far has done nothing to ban it...it is still going on. So why haven't anybody pounced on Bush? Why hasn't anybody riot in front of the White House? Wow...Bring in a President of color and let's just throw something at him and hope it sticks! Let's all start by educating young women on sex and abortion. Barack Obama did make this clear! I for one donot like the idea of abortion at all, but there has to be limitations such as rape, incest, and danger to either Mom or child which I feel the mother has the say! She will have to live for the decision she makes as well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:14 PM on 11/11/2008
- RitaLouise I'm a Fan of RitaLouise 2 fans permalink

These so-called "Christians" should spend their time AND money on doing the charitable work that is well within their ability and Constitutional right! That being, do what they can for the poor, disadvantaged, homeless, hungry and handicapped folks in dire need of a helping hand! Period!!!!! To spend such outrageous time and MONEY on this issue that is none of their business, and often hypocritical (can you say boy hungry priests?) and (Evangelicals who have fallen pathetically) is defying what should be gospel in this country and that is the separation of church and state. Church has no business in politics!!!! Every person has a right to worship or not worship according to the path they are on. To try to pave your way to the pearly gates by brow beating those who you feel are not on YOUR path is immoral in the deepest sense of the word. Lastly, do you for one heart beat minute think that every conception is an immaculate conception?????? Not on your dismal life. There are TWO people involved here and so please, pray tell me, WHY is the onus ALWAYS on the woman? Why don't you tar and feather a few of those rowdy boys who are 50% to blame here? Why not hold their feet to the fire and get off the women for a hell bent change.'

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 PM on 11/11/2008
- tomas0808 I'm a Fan of tomas0808 12 fans permalink

Psychos. Fanatics. They need to be relegated to the fringe

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 PM on 11/11/2008

I love obviously scared these people are. Just because there is a majority of Dem power in the white house. Roe v. Wade already happened people, in the meantime just shut the hell up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 PM on 11/11/2008
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