Cosby Talks "Huxtable Effect," Shares Voting Experience

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LYNN ELBER | November 12, 2008 07:19 AM EST | AP

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In this April 24, 2008 file photo, Bill Cosby speaks at a forum for at-risk youths, in Atlanta. It's been 25 years since "The Cosby Show" changed the face of television. With the sitcom coming out on DVD, Bill Cosby talks about the picture he offered of a loving black family where the parents were firmly in charge. (AP Photo/W.A. Haarewood, file)

LOS ANGELES — When Bill Cosby entered the polling booth in his neighborhood last week, he carried with him photographs of his late parents and Jimmy, the kid brother who died in childhood.

"I pulled out the pictures, pulled the curtain shut. And I said, `You guys are gonna vote.' And they did, on one piece of paper," Cosby said.

He couldn't resist delivering a punch line for fellow voters in Shelburne Falls, Mass. _ "I yelled out, `How do you spell plumber?'" _ even as he exulted in casting his ballot for the first African-American president.

There's an argument circulating that "The Cosby Show" laid the groundwork for President-elect Barack Obama by presenting an appealing black family, the Huxtables, to young TV viewers who grew up equipped to thwart stereotypes and barriers.

Writer Alisa Valdes-Rodriguez called her theory "the Huxtable effect," a counter to the so-called Bradley effect (named for failed black California gubernatorial hopeful Tom Bradley) of possible hidden racism among white voters.

Ask Cosby, 71, his view of the part his 1984-92 NBC sitcom played as political groundbreaker, and the man who looms large as both a comedian and blunt commentator on black America first offers a measured appraisal.

"I was amazed when the young woman's theory came through," said Cosby. It sounds plausible, he mused, recalling the show's immense popularity and the many times that fans said Cliff Huxtable reminded them of their dad _ their white dad.

But he chafes at what he calls the "Karl Rovian" interpretation, referring to the Republican strategist's Election Night comment on Fox News that viewers embraced the Huxtables as "America's family" and not a black one.

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"The reason why he's in the White House is Cosby? No, no, no," Cosby said.

He suggests looking beyond the influence of a TV family to that of a real one: the household in which the future president was raised.

He cites Obama's account of being woken early to do his homework and his mother's refusal to brook any complaints. Cosby bows as well to Michelle Obama and her father, who refused special treatment despite multiple sclerosis.

"This is what Michelle and Barack are made of, the things they see" in their parents, he said.

It was Cosby's firm belief in parental responsibility _ and aggravation over '80s programs _ that shaped the creation of "The Cosby Show," out this week in a boxed DVD set of the complete series.

"I was not happy with what we used to call family TV in those days. ... They had all these shows where you just dropped to one knee and fired, then a car blew up or a plant blew up _ all this dopamine-raising violence," he said.

At a time when the sitcom genre appeared near death, the few family comedies that aired were especially dismaying.

"The situation comedies were failing because they had children seemingly who had taken over the house. In a sense, TV comedy writers and producers had decided they would no longer have a family where grown people were making corrections and kids were going through ... `Leave It to Beaver' type things," he said.

The idea for a show where "the parents weren't losing to the kids" was rejected by other networks before NBC executive Brandon Tartikoff bought a revamped version of it, with the original blue-collar family now morphed into affluent professionals.

"The Cosby Show" starred the comedian as a mellow physician who, with his lawyer-wife Clair (Phylicia Rashad), kept a loving, firm hand on their five children.

Tartikoff knew that Cosby, a recording, movie and TV star (with shows including the 1960s "I Spy," in which he was the first black star of a drama series), was funny and likable.

"And Tartikoff also said, `What I like about this show is dignity. The family has dignity,'" Cosby recalled. "And what's odd about it is it was just natural for me. Because what I wanted, the only thing I wanted, was to stop these children on TV from running the house."

Wasn't he also intent on shattering racial stereotypes?

"Look, I'm already black," Cosby said, so pressing the race issue "gets to be stupid after all."

But, he adds, "What I did have in mind was that the images that you see on television are not the behaviors of Americans who are black. Racism is so stupid, but it is and it does exist. Period."

The show was a hit from the start, and from the start it encountered criticism that it failed to portray the difficult lives of many blacks and ignored middle-class issues like assimilation. Defenders said it showed what African-Americans could, and had, achieved.

Its many fans had no reservations about embracing the story of a modern family with bedrock traditions, always infused with Cosby's droll humor and indelibly puckish grin. "The Cosby Show" was the nation's top-rated prime-time program for five years.

And then there's the tantalizing suggestion that the echoes of a sitcom long in reruns changed presidential history _ an idea that Cosby can't resist playing with.

"I'm just waiting to see what Bart Simpson's people are going to do at the next election," he said.

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LOS ANGELES — When Bill Cosby entered the polling booth in his neighborhood last week, he carried with him photographs of his late parents and Jimmy, the kid brother who died in childhood. "I p...
LOS ANGELES — When Bill Cosby entered the polling booth in his neighborhood last week, he carried with him photographs of his late parents and Jimmy, the kid brother who died in childhood. "I p...
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I loved the show, one of the last things I regularly followed on TV. Never did I think it was the slightest bit political, in spite of being a pol junkie.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:52 AM on 11/14/2008
- LMPE I'm a Fan of LMPE 72 fans permalink

I think that I've only seen one episode of "Cosby Show" (and the only scene that I remember is when the daughter and her friends sing "Loco-Motion" in a music video).
Either way, I'm sure that Cosby has some good things to say. I shouldn't even have to explain why he has more integrity and credibility than Karl Rove.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:35 AM on 11/14/2008
- OutsiderSA I'm a Fan of OutsiderSA 8 fans permalink
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The one 1000' observation I have is that since black folk have been involved in directing and production, you have two stances where some appeal to the stereotype of who black folk are (which I generally do not watch0 and those that incorporate integration of races and show the worlds we are all the same.

There are many black folk like Will Smith, Eddie Murphy etc. who come across non-stereotype but just as average people -race was never pandered as an issue.

Why do I say this? Well when you do dwell on the past injustices, the hardliners tune out. When folk portray the "I am just like you" folk may sit up and take notice.

I remember with Bill Cosby, here is SA, my aunt was pretty much racist and did not want to watch him. After I encouraged her, she later made a point of watching it.

Even some of the black programming "I am just like you" may have helped in South Africa's transition being peaceful.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:01 AM on 11/13/2008
- camipco I'm a Fan of camipco 11 fans permalink
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Cliff Huxtable isn't just a physician. He's a ob/gyn. That's hugely important to the show's impact - it directly attacks the defining fear of American racism, of the black man unable to control his sexuality around white women. Cliff Huxtable is the exact opposite of this stereotype, he is a black man who is calm and professional when in direct, intimate contact with white women. And he wears sweaters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:14 AM on 11/13/2008
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great analysis

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:30 AM on 11/13/2008

Really? I didn't know that. Never really watched the show due to general dislike of sitcoms.

When I think of Cosby, I think of his old comedy routines. "Moses" especially, for some reason.

He has gotten a lot of flak over the past decade or so speaking out about parental responsibility. As if that was a bad thing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 AM on 11/13/2008
- Leslib I'm a Fan of Leslib 16 fans permalink

I've been listening to and laughing along with Bill Cosby since the mid '60's. My parents had some of his comedy albums and we played them until they were nothing but scratches and yes, those were real records on a record player with a needle. He has always been one of the funniest men on this planet and I loved the fact that he didn't have to use profanity to make the audience laugh. He is a keen observer of human nature and uses those funny things that happen to all of us to create humor. He's been a great watchdog for the black community as well...I remember his speaking out against guns several years ago. More people would be better off if they listened to him. Pro-education and anti-gun, that's the Cos and he's still funny after all these years. How do you spell plumber indeed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:23 AM on 11/13/2008

I put forth the MTV effect. I was there when MTV come on the airways, and myself and two buddies. After watching it for a bit, we said what the hell is this. Not the Huxtables, but MTV, especially after Michael Jackson made way for other Black artists to be shown. Who purchases for Rap the anyone, from what I have heard, is White kids in the Burbs. When you are driving in Rural Pa., and some you White kid in a huge Truck is blasting Jay_Z, or what ever you think whoa! Music has always moved this country. Watch anytime BB King has a special, and look who is on stage with him. I have lived in or visited most of the Western World, and it is music that travels the easiest. Dated a lady from Pakistan, and the only reason her father liked me was because of my like of Miles Davis.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 AM on 11/13/2008

I see people speaking of Obama and "the Huxtable effect,” I know the show has not been nearly as long running as the Cosby show but what about "the 24 effect". One of its main characters was African American president David Palmer (played by Dennis Haysbert). This character was skillfully played and was featured in 80 episodes of the show "24" I felt he was a TV president that has been second only to Martin Sheen on west wing. I think that seeing the character of David Palmer week in and week out - portraying a smart, sensible, moral leader of the US who happened to be black was a huge step forward in the minds of many people. Every week I admired what the writers did with the character - kept him honest and forthright and a person you would want as your president. I know that the show is fiction but I think in many ways the character of Preseident David Palmer on "24" gave America a true glimpse into what a black president could look like. I also think it had an underlying long-term positive effect on people in regards to seeing a US leader as a man of color. Many times as I watched the show I thought why can't we have a president like that - I did not see color I saw a true leader - much like the first time I saw Barack Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 PM on 11/12/2008

Yes, I've had this conversation with friends as well... 24 is a show that had a huge appeal across both conservative and progressive audiences. I consider myself a progressive but I loved those first couple of seasons, until the show seemed to turn into a huge propaganda vehicle for the use of torture, at which point I stopped watching. But I did think it was great that they chose to feature an African-American president in those first seasons, and I thought that the character of David Palmer was a very positive one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:20 AM on 11/13/2008

I've been thinking this for a while. I think that much of the Fox watching electorate became comfortable with the idea of a black president by watching 24, season after season. Another factor, re conservative voters, is that whatever we may think of G.W. Bush, he's not a racist. By appointing Rice and Powell to two of the top cabinet posts he nullified much of the racist predispositions about blacks appointed to powerful positions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:22 AM on 11/13/2008
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I agree.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 AM on 11/13/2008
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Of course, "24"'s arc featuring Haysbert had only a fraction of the audience of "The Cosby Show."

It's all meaningless media navel-gazing anyway. Unless you really want to entertain the notion that J.R. Ewing paved the way for Ross Perot.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:40 AM on 11/13/2008
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Agreed, but 24 had a totally different audience than Cosby.

Cosby audience were people that were already sort of pro equality and harmony with other races. I think in many ways they were ready for it and were just made comfortable by the images in the show. I don't think any "slightly racist" people watched that show and were converted. I may be wrong.

24 was geared towards independents, pro-military, apolitical, slightly conservative people. It was in the era post 9/11. Many Republican pro-war and anti-Arab types watched that show and were presented with an image of a very competent and moral AA prez. People that were normally not comfortable with an AA as prez may have possibly altered their views a bit. This was probably at a cost to Arabs, but it did develop some kinship to fellow Americans of color.

I don't mean to try and diminish anything the Cosby show did. I used to watch that show and liked it very much. I think it had a great influence throughout our society. I am just saying the people that were reached by 24 were some people that may not have been reached by the Cosby show.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:11 AM on 11/14/2008

Totally agreed.

And keeping their groundbreaking tradition, the new season starting later this month, will introduce the show's new and 1st female President.

2016 may be that year (because O will be reelected in 2012)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:59 AM on 11/13/2008
- KayCo I'm a Fan of KayCo 19 fans permalink

I loved the show as a kid. I grew up in a single mom home with occasional visits from my dad, who I admit I am closer to after my parents divorce. Bill (Cliff) reminds me of my maternal grandfather, who passed away two years ago. We has so much respect for our grandfather and knew never to get out of line in his home.

When I voted this year, I dedicated it to my grandfather, a lifelong Democrat, who, no doubt, would be amazed at the history changing election that this was. My grandparents, much like Barack Obama's, helped shape who I am today!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 PM on 11/12/2008
- shaaronie I'm a Fan of shaaronie 4 fans permalink

I think it was the "Juke Box" effect. Remember the Juke box channel back in the late 80's, where you had to wait for your video to come on? My A.A. teens would buy a video (me too) and fell in love with Alanis Morrisette, Rico Suave etc. and their LP collection was quite eclectic. I knew the world had changed forever when "Cotton Eyed Joe" became a big hit in the hood, and I mean the "real" hood! And besides, the diversity in the work place also helped. People saw that people were just that, people. Actually Cosby just reflected what was already happening. Art imitating life and all that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:56 PM on 11/12/2008

I grew up loving the "Huxtables" because it was great humor and great TV period

Barack Obama is the best man for the job period.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:28 PM on 11/12/2008
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How does anyone know after that movie about Thomas Jefferson, if this is really the FIRST AA President?

I may go back into those LIfetimeMovies just to tell another story or not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:03 PM on 11/12/2008
- KUjHwk I'm a Fan of KUjHwk 3 fans permalink

Good point.

There is a book that explores this. I believe it's entitled "The 6 Black Presidents". It explores previous presidents with African ancestry, including Pres. Eisenhower, whose mother was of mixed race.

Obama's just the first black president not to pass as white.
What an interesting country we live in, rich in history.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 PM on 11/14/2008

Karl who?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:50 PM on 11/12/2008
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I'm one of those ppl who saw Cos reminded me of my dad. I think it's more than Cos: it's top athletes (Tiger anyone? Or MJ?), musicians. All of the cultural icons. You can't be a fan of these ppl and then vs. voting for a guy who happens to be black. See what I mean?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:46 PM on 11/12/2008
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I love Bill Cosby! He's my first favorite Bill, can you guess who the second one is?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:13 PM on 11/12/2008
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Pullman?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:41 AM on 11/13/2008
- aznurse I'm a Fan of aznurse 57 fans permalink

Wilson

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 AM on 11/14/2008

When we first saw Obama people here in Europa said "the Americans are not ready to vote for a black man!" I wasn't so sure...I had seen David Palmer...and during the Bush years I kept hearing Amercians tell me, "Boy do we need a David Palmer!".... Hey! It's a tv culture land.... but whatever... Obama deserves the presidency because he is brilliant but IF David Palmer got him a few extra votes from the TV slackers out there then God Bless those writers on 24.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:05 PM on 11/12/2008
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