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SARA LEPRO | November 12, 2008 06:19 PM EST | AP

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NEW YORK — An increasingly despondent Wall Street fell for the third straight session Wednesday as investors absorbed another series of dismal corporate reports and news that the government won't buy banks' soured mortgage assets after all. The Dow Jones industrials dropped more than 410 points, and all the major indexes lost more than 4 percent.

The stock market has lost about $1 trillion over the past three days, according to the Dow Jones Wilshire 5000 index, which reflects the value of nearly all U.S. stocks.

The market started the day falling on more signs that companies are being hurt by a severe pullback in consumer spending. Macy's Inc. said it lost $44 million in the third quarter as sales at the department store retailer fell more than 7 percent. And consumer electronics retailer Best Buy Co. slashed its fiscal 2009 guidance on fears that consumer spending will erode even further.

Meanwhile, Morgan Stanley, suffering from the ongoing losses on Wall Street, outlined plans to cut 10 percent of staff in its institutional securities group _ its biggest business that covers everything from investment banking to stock trading.

More bad news came out after the market closed _ Intel Corp. lowered its fourth-quarter revenue and earnings outlook, citing a spending slowdown that is reducing demand for its computer chips. Intel's stock fell in after-hours trading, and its announcement was likely to trigger more selling across the market on Thursday.

The bleak reports, which followed disappointing news from coffee retailer Starbucks Corp. and homebuilder Toll Brothers Inc. earlier in the week, made it increasingly clear to investors that companies across the economy are suffering from the aftermath of the housing and credit crises.

"There just doesn't appear to be an end in sight to the bad news," said Anton Schutz, portfolio manager of the Burnham Financial Industries Fund and the Burnham Financial Services Fund. "The selling is relentless."

There was more pain at mid-morning, when Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson said the government's $700 billion financial rescue package won't purchase troubled assets from banks. He said that plan would have taken too much time, and that the Treasury instead will rely on buying stakes in banks and encouraging them to resume more normal lending.

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While the market had been pleased by the government's decision weeks ago to buy banks' stock, investors still hoped to see the financial industry relieved of the burden of the mortgage assets whose decline in value helped set off the nation's financial crisis. His comments, which underscored the anxiety that remains about the health of the financial system, sent stocks falling further.

Analysts believe the market is in the process of retesting the intraday low hit on Oct. 10, when the blue chips fell to 7,882.50.

"We're just going through the typical process of testing and retesting," said Matt King, chief investment officer of Bell Investment Advisors. "If we can continue to build higher and higher lows, that's definitely a positive. If the Dow can build a base above 8,100 and bounce off that, we see that as a definite technical positive."

The selling accelerated in the last hour of the day, as it has done in most sessions over the past two months.

"When there is a lot of volatility, especially on a big down day, people just decide they don't want to own stocks overnight," said Ryan Detrick, senior technical strategist at Schaeffer's Investment Research. "News doesn't drive this lower, fear does. Investors will back the next morning after they see where things settled."

Late-day volatility has also been fed by hedge and mutual funds selling as investors withdraw money from the market.

The Dow shed 411.30, or 4.73 percent, to 8,282.66. It was the lowest close for the Dow since its 5 1/2-year low of 8,175.77 reached on Oct. 27.

According to the Dow Jones Wilshire 5000 index, Wednesday's paper losses amounted to about $600 billion. By that measure, the stock market has shed $9.1 trillion since the index's Oct. 9, 2007, peak.

The broader Standard & Poor's 500 index dropped 46.65, or 5.19 percent, to 852.30, and the Nasdaq composite index stumbled 81.69, or 5.17 percent, to 1,499.21.

The Russell 2000 index of smaller companies fell 29.49, or 6.11 percent, to 452.80.

Declining issues overwhelmed advancers on the New York Stock Exchange, where only 240 stocks rose while 2,869 fell. Consolidated volume came to 5.66 billion shares, up from 4.93 billion shares Tuesday.

Though Paulson's announcement marks a major shift in the original bailout plan and rattled investors, Wall Street analysts generally believe the Treasury is now on the right path.

"That's really what they should have done originally," said King. "First and foremost, we have to make sure banks are going to survive and then we can worry about lending. This is the quickest and most efficient way to do that."

"Buying bad assets doesn't do that," he said.

However, there is some concern that the bailout funds are being depleted rather quickly, said Jason O'Donnell, senior research analyst at Boenning & Scattergood.

"Investors are generally in favor of the emphasis on the capital purchase provisions," O'Donnell said. But, "we're down quickly to a small portion of total funds remaining for other purposes."

Paulson also announced a new goal for the program to support financial markets that supply consumer credit in such areas as credit card debt, auto loans and student loans. He said, "with a stronger capital base, our banks will be more confident" to support economic activity.

But investors are worried that a severe pullback in consumer spending _ which drives more than two-thirds of the U.S. economy _ will prolong a global economic downturn.

Macy's shares fell $1.04, or 11 percent, to $8.37. Best Buy shares tumbled $1.91, or 8 percent, to $21.97.

The future of the country's top automakers remained a major concern on the Street as well, as investors waited to see whether the government would put together a bailout plan for General Motors Corp., Ford Motor Co. and Chrysler.

General Motors was the only gainer among the 30 Dow stocks Wednesday, rising 16 cents, or 5.5 percent, to $3.08. Ford gained 4 cents, or 2.2 percent, to $1.84.

Morgan Stanley, which converted into a bank holding company in September, said it plans to scale back its institutional securities business before the end of the year. The layoffs it plans are in addition to a 10 percent cut made earlier this year to the group.

Morgan Stanley also plans to restructure its money management business by cutting 9 percent of the group's work force. The securities firm employs about 44,000 people worldwide. Morgan Stanley shares fell $2.14, or 15.2 percent, to $11.94.

Intel, which fell 41 cents to $13.52 during regular trading, fell to $12.56 after hours.

Meanwhile, American Express Co. is said to be seeking about $3.5 billion from the government to help boost its balance sheet, according to a report in The Wall Street Journal citing people familiar with the situation. AmEx, the No. 4 U.S. credit card issuer, won approval Monday from the Federal Reserve to become a bank holding company, which gives it the ability to grow a large deposit base and access financing from the Fed.

AmEx shares dropped $2.35, or 10.5 percent, to $20.05.

Government bond prices, which did not trade Tuesday because of Veterans Day, moved higher as investors looked for safer investments. The three-month Treasury bill's yield fell to 0.13 percent from 0.22 percent late Monday, and the yield on the benchmark 10-year Treasury note fell to 3.67 percent from 3.76 percent late Monday.

Lower yields indicate stronger demand.

Crude dropped below $57 a barrel Wednesday on the growing realization that global economic growth next year will slow more than originally feared, cutting demand for crude products such as gasoline. Light, sweet crude fell $3.50, or nearly 6 percent, to settle at $56.16 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange.

The dollar was mixed against other major currencies, while gold prices dipped.

Overseas, Japan's Nikkei closed down 1.29 percent and Hong Kong Hang Seng fell 0.73 percent. In Europe, London's FTSE 100 fell 1.52 percent, Germany's DAX fell 2.96 percent, and France's CAC-40 dropped 3.07 percent.

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NEW YORK — An increasingly despondent Wall Street fell for the third straight session Wednesday as investors absorbed another series of dismal corporate reports and news that the government won'...
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- VivaZapata I'm a Fan of VivaZapata 63 fans permalink
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stay tuned: more to come...down. later.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:54 PM on 11/12/2008

This is not Obama's responsibility or within his power until the afternoon of Jan. 20. He will approach the problems with great intelligence and care. He will not solve them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:47 PM on 11/12/2008
- Lupin77 I'm a Fan of Lupin77 6 fans permalink

The 700 Bil was just a ploy to give the big companies more cash. So many of them are now asking for handouts for golden parachutes for their top managers and also to buy new acquisitions. What a joke this has become. Meanwhile, the market continuous to go down and the ordinary taxpayer takes a hit yet again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 PM on 11/12/2008
- Rosewren I'm a Fan of Rosewren 22 fans permalink
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As understand it the banks never intended to lend out the money, by instead making mergers and acquisitions like Wells Fargo and Wachovia for example they can pick up their losses and not have to pay any taxes this year, that is why Citi Bank was so upset about being cut out. Believe me none of these greedy bankers could care less about the country, they are so caught up in still going after that dollar in their own back pocket they will do anything and that is what they have been getting away with and will continue to do unless they are kicked out and replaced with no bonuses by the lenders, us and the Treasury Secretary Paulson who isn't going to really do anything as it is the wolf guarding the chicken coop.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 AM on 11/13/2008

The 30's saw the Great Depression, but the first decade of the 21st century will see the Greatest Depression. And once again, as it was before, the stewardship of the sinking ship was/is a Republican. It took three incompetent Republicans in a row to eventually destroy the economy in the early 30's, and only one obsessive/­compulsive criminal President to destroy the economy in the early years of the 21st century.

We are entering the Greatest Depression, and in the end it will be a good thing, cause as with alcoholism and drug abuse, you have to hit bottom before you can pick yourself up and start again. With 8 years of Republican control of the entire government (through direct and indirect control...helped by a record breaking number of filibusters during the 110th Congress) , we are currently in the process of hitting the bottom. How perfect when you consider that George W. Bush is the ultimate bottom feeder, and thus, the perfect Criminal-in-Chief to take the US ship of state straight to the bottom. And yet, in doing so, he has managed to continue to enrich the bankers and other greedmongers who are his "base".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:25 PM on 11/12/2008

Regan, George Bush Sr and Clinton set this up and George Bush Jr. was the just right klutz to destroy it. Regulation of any kind was stripped away. This didn't just happen overnight or the last 8 years. The mad push by the republicans who were drunk of Freidman capitalism and ended up destroying our economy in this mad rush to get cheaper goods.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:50 PM on 11/12/2008
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:20 PM on 11/12/2008
- tomas0808 I'm a Fan of tomas0808 8 fans permalink

Good piece. Thanks Carol

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 PM on 11/12/2008
- donaldw6 I'm a Fan of donaldw6 358 fans permalink
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It's like Bush and Paulsen are perched on shaky foundations, the smiles frozen on their faces as the floor begins to give way beneath them, while Obama stands with a repair crew at the ready and we refuse to give him the green light to get started. It's anyone's guess whether there'll be anything left to save by 1/20/09.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:02 PM on 11/12/2008
- OB-GYN I'm a Fan of OB-GYN 46 fans permalink
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Exactly! Bush should just let Obama have at it. It may stabilize the market.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:20 PM on 11/12/2008
- Jtt I'm a Fan of Jtt 39 fans permalink
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NEW YORK (Reuters) - "The economy faces a slump

***deeper than the Great Depression and a growing deficit threatens the credit of the United States itself,***

former Goldman Sachs chairman John Whitehead, said at the Reuters Global Finance Summit on Wednesday." ( http://www.reuters.com/article/Finance08/idUSTRE4AB7HT20081112 )

Its out of control bad.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:59 PM on 11/12/2008
- jms2qc I'm a Fan of jms2qc 2 fans permalink

And so many people are in denial about it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:11 PM on 11/12/2008
- Jtt I'm a Fan of Jtt 39 fans permalink
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even here, as this drops off the page for favor of mostly political nonsense.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:30 PM on 11/12/2008

No one on "Wall Street" or the talking heads on TV want to talk about it because its there bread and butter. But liquidation of hedge fund assets is a huge factor driving the market down. If you have money in a hedge fund, and want to redeem the shares and get the money this year, you have to redeem your shares by November 15th. Keep in mind hedge funds tend to be heavily levered as well. Hedge fund performance in general has been horrid this year. Delevering and/or redemptions in hedge fund land means indiscriminate selling. At any price!

As an example, lookup Tontine Associates/Jeff Gendell. He's closing two funds. His top-ten holdings in those funds are: X, CLF, KBR, PWR, AKS, SPY, XIDE, SGR, TRN, FWLT. Today, both the S&P and Dow were down about 5%. How did these stocks do? X down 15%, CLF down 14%, KBR down 9%, PWR down 12%, AKS down 25%, SPY down 6%, XIDE down 21%, SGR down 16%, TRN down 10%, FWLT down 10%.

Hedge funds have been liquidating for a while, not just today.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:58 PM on 11/12/2008
- Rosewren I'm a Fan of Rosewren 22 fans permalink
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You are right, with trying to meet all the demands for redemptions they have to sell to be liquid enough to give people their money.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 AM on 11/13/2008

why do we even need a president after paul;son and bernanke get through with looting the entire us treasury ...........

its gonna look more like zimbabwe ..........­..........­....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:56 PM on 11/12/2008
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"we're down quickly to a small portion of total funds remaining for other purposes."

Oh yeah? Very instresting! Where did YOU find how much is left over as of today???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:45 PM on 11/12/2008

We have to look at "the big picture." The days of tunnel vision are over. Our nation better wake up and smell the coffee. With all our bail outs along with the 168 billion economic stimulus package, that btw did nothing for our economy it is hard to understand why our government can't see the need to bail us out of our dependence on foreign oil. OPEC holds the key and we are at their mercy. They just cut 2 million barrels in production a day and vow to cut more if prices don't rise again. Instead of spending billions upon billions on bailouts, why don't we instead invest in renewable energy. We have GUARANTEED returns if we do this. I just read a fascinating book by Jeff Wilson called The Manhattan Project of 2009 Energy Independence NOW . I highly recommend this book for anyone who is worried about our economy and interested in our country become energy independent.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:39 PM on 11/12/2008

Though he can't implement policy now, he could be introducing his economic policies, explaining those policies and building confidence. Why isn't Obama doing anything to increase confidence in the US economy. How long will he sit idly by?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:38 PM on 11/12/2008
- donaldw6 I'm a Fan of donaldw6 358 fans permalink
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I'd say he's doing a pretty good job of getting his ideas out there, if you'd been paying attention.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:53 PM on 11/12/2008

he has no ideas...........HE VOTED FOR THIS BAILOUT ....ILL IVE HEARD SO FAR IS ANOTHER STUPID STIMULOUS PACKAGE AND ANPOTHER BAILOUT FOR THE CAR INDUSTRY........

YEA THE FIRST ONES WORKED SOOO WELL......

THIS GUY IS A PUPPET

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:59 PM on 11/12/2008

The greatest after the presidential election stock market crash in history. Obama is not instilling any confidence in the investing community.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:34 PM on 11/12/2008
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Cash out in September? I hope you are talking about last September as many of us recommended right here last year. If you didn't heed the warning then it is to late now so you might as well ride it out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:32 PM on 11/12/2008
- Erdgeist I'm a Fan of Erdgeist 78 fans permalink
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Of course the market is going to go down. Former Fed Chairman Greenspan's idea of using your home as an ATM machine backfired. To understand the implication, we need to keep in mind that consumer spending increases 0.62% for every 10% gain in the housing market. Well there ain't no more gain in the housing market! So it follows that there will be a huge decrease in consumer spending across the board. The stock market is reflecting this negative view. And with sharp guys like Fed Chairman Bernake who said in 2005, "We’ve never had a decline in housing prices on a nationwide basis” just imagine the kind of hands our economy is in!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:30 PM on 11/12/2008
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