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SARA LEPRO | November 12, 2008 06:19 PM EST | AP

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NEW YORK — An increasingly despondent Wall Street fell for the third straight session Wednesday as investors absorbed another series of dismal corporate reports and news that the government won't buy banks' soured mortgage assets after all. The Dow Jones industrials dropped more than 410 points, and all the major indexes lost more than 4 percent.

The stock market has lost about $1 trillion over the past three days, according to the Dow Jones Wilshire 5000 index, which reflects the value of nearly all U.S. stocks.

The market started the day falling on more signs that companies are being hurt by a severe pullback in consumer spending. Macy's Inc. said it lost $44 million in the third quarter as sales at the department store retailer fell more than 7 percent. And consumer electronics retailer Best Buy Co. slashed its fiscal 2009 guidance on fears that consumer spending will erode even further.

Meanwhile, Morgan Stanley, suffering from the ongoing losses on Wall Street, outlined plans to cut 10 percent of staff in its institutional securities group _ its biggest business that covers everything from investment banking to stock trading.

More bad news came out after the market closed _ Intel Corp. lowered its fourth-quarter revenue and earnings outlook, citing a spending slowdown that is reducing demand for its computer chips. Intel's stock fell in after-hours trading, and its announcement was likely to trigger more selling across the market on Thursday.

The bleak reports, which followed disappointing news from coffee retailer Starbucks Corp. and homebuilder Toll Brothers Inc. earlier in the week, made it increasingly clear to investors that companies across the economy are suffering from the aftermath of the housing and credit crises.

"There just doesn't appear to be an end in sight to the bad news," said Anton Schutz, portfolio manager of the Burnham Financial Industries Fund and the Burnham Financial Services Fund. "The selling is relentless."

There was more pain at mid-morning, when Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson said the government's $700 billion financial rescue package won't purchase troubled assets from banks. He said that plan would have taken too much time, and that the Treasury instead will rely on buying stakes in banks and encouraging them to resume more normal lending.

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While the market had been pleased by the government's decision weeks ago to buy banks' stock, investors still hoped to see the financial industry relieved of the burden of the mortgage assets whose decline in value helped set off the nation's financial crisis. His comments, which underscored the anxiety that remains about the health of the financial system, sent stocks falling further.

Analysts believe the market is in the process of retesting the intraday low hit on Oct. 10, when the blue chips fell to 7,882.50.

"We're just going through the typical process of testing and retesting," said Matt King, chief investment officer of Bell Investment Advisors. "If we can continue to build higher and higher lows, that's definitely a positive. If the Dow can build a base above 8,100 and bounce off that, we see that as a definite technical positive."

The selling accelerated in the last hour of the day, as it has done in most sessions over the past two months.

"When there is a lot of volatility, especially on a big down day, people just decide they don't want to own stocks overnight," said Ryan Detrick, senior technical strategist at Schaeffer's Investment Research. "News doesn't drive this lower, fear does. Investors will back the next morning after they see where things settled."

Late-day volatility has also been fed by hedge and mutual funds selling as investors withdraw money from the market.

The Dow shed 411.30, or 4.73 percent, to 8,282.66. It was the lowest close for the Dow since its 5 1/2-year low of 8,175.77 reached on Oct. 27.

According to the Dow Jones Wilshire 5000 index, Wednesday's paper losses amounted to about $600 billion. By that measure, the stock market has shed $9.1 trillion since the index's Oct. 9, 2007, peak.

The broader Standard & Poor's 500 index dropped 46.65, or 5.19 percent, to 852.30, and the Nasdaq composite index stumbled 81.69, or 5.17 percent, to 1,499.21.

The Russell 2000 index of smaller companies fell 29.49, or 6.11 percent, to 452.80.

Declining issues overwhelmed advancers on the New York Stock Exchange, where only 240 stocks rose while 2,869 fell. Consolidated volume came to 5.66 billion shares, up from 4.93 billion shares Tuesday.

Though Paulson's announcement marks a major shift in the original bailout plan and rattled investors, Wall Street analysts generally believe the Treasury is now on the right path.

"That's really what they should have done originally," said King. "First and foremost, we have to make sure banks are going to survive and then we can worry about lending. This is the quickest and most efficient way to do that."

"Buying bad assets doesn't do that," he said.

However, there is some concern that the bailout funds are being depleted rather quickly, said Jason O'Donnell, senior research analyst at Boenning & Scattergood.

"Investors are generally in favor of the emphasis on the capital purchase provisions," O'Donnell said. But, "we're down quickly to a small portion of total funds remaining for other purposes."

Paulson also announced a new goal for the program to support financial markets that supply consumer credit in such areas as credit card debt, auto loans and student loans. He said, "with a stronger capital base, our banks will be more confident" to support economic activity.

But investors are worried that a severe pullback in consumer spending _ which drives more than two-thirds of the U.S. economy _ will prolong a global economic downturn.

Macy's shares fell $1.04, or 11 percent, to $8.37. Best Buy shares tumbled $1.91, or 8 percent, to $21.97.

The future of the country's top automakers remained a major concern on the Street as well, as investors waited to see whether the government would put together a bailout plan for General Motors Corp., Ford Motor Co. and Chrysler.

General Motors was the only gainer among the 30 Dow stocks Wednesday, rising 16 cents, or 5.5 percent, to $3.08. Ford gained 4 cents, or 2.2 percent, to $1.84.

Morgan Stanley, which converted into a bank holding company in September, said it plans to scale back its institutional securities business before the end of the year. The layoffs it plans are in addition to a 10 percent cut made earlier this year to the group.

Morgan Stanley also plans to restructure its money management business by cutting 9 percent of the group's work force. The securities firm employs about 44,000 people worldwide. Morgan Stanley shares fell $2.14, or 15.2 percent, to $11.94.

Intel, which fell 41 cents to $13.52 during regular trading, fell to $12.56 after hours.

Meanwhile, American Express Co. is said to be seeking about $3.5 billion from the government to help boost its balance sheet, according to a report in The Wall Street Journal citing people familiar with the situation. AmEx, the No. 4 U.S. credit card issuer, won approval Monday from the Federal Reserve to become a bank holding company, which gives it the ability to grow a large deposit base and access financing from the Fed.

AmEx shares dropped $2.35, or 10.5 percent, to $20.05.

Government bond prices, which did not trade Tuesday because of Veterans Day, moved higher as investors looked for safer investments. The three-month Treasury bill's yield fell to 0.13 percent from 0.22 percent late Monday, and the yield on the benchmark 10-year Treasury note fell to 3.67 percent from 3.76 percent late Monday.

Lower yields indicate stronger demand.

Crude dropped below $57 a barrel Wednesday on the growing realization that global economic growth next year will slow more than originally feared, cutting demand for crude products such as gasoline. Light, sweet crude fell $3.50, or nearly 6 percent, to settle at $56.16 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange.

The dollar was mixed against other major currencies, while gold prices dipped.

Overseas, Japan's Nikkei closed down 1.29 percent and Hong Kong Hang Seng fell 0.73 percent. In Europe, London's FTSE 100 fell 1.52 percent, Germany's DAX fell 2.96 percent, and France's CAC-40 dropped 3.07 percent.

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NEW YORK — An increasingly despondent Wall Street fell for the third straight session Wednesday as investors absorbed another series of dismal corporate reports and news that the government won'...
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You will be waiting a long time. They govt is garnishing social security checks for unpaid student loans. The people who can least afford it. Meanwhile the big boys get millions in golden handshakes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:24 PM on 11/12/2008
- artistcain I'm a Fan of artistcain 24 fans permalink
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We have every right to be angry about the bail outs; it always seems we are bailing out the wrong people (financials, car companies, insurance companies, etc.etc.) all of whom get us into recessions or depressions. Giving the taxpayer $300.00 in a rebate was peanuts and did nothing to help the consumers. It was peanuts compared to the steak we are giving to the banks and other institutions .Better that we give the American people 1 hundred thousand dollars each over a 5 year period, (total over the 5 years would equal two hundred, Billon) that way housing will recover and spending will improve dramatically. I know the conservatives will hate this idea but there was a saying in a previous election (it’s the economy stupid) I would say now it's the consumer stupid. Give us the money we will do a much better job at getting it into the economy. Call your Senator and congress person and demand this plan
Peace
artistcain
La Quinta, CA.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:20 PM on 11/12/2008
- jms2qc I'm a Fan of jms2qc 2 fans permalink

Completely agree about the waste that was that rebate. In comparison to the cavernous deficit that is like pocket change and just an illusion of helping consumers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:14 PM on 11/12/2008

I can never understand some Americans.

They complain about a few bucks in higher taxes but think nothing of going deep into debt paying thousands a year in interest..........pay cash.........its half the price then if you finance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:14 PM on 11/12/2008

Uh..other than me..who has the cash to pay everything in cash?? Buy a house for $250,000 and pay cash??? Get off the crystal meth and bong!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:19 PM on 11/12/2008

I paid 200k for my house working in Libya for 2 years TAX free.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:26 PM on 11/12/2008
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The “take these dice from my cold dead hands” Berserkers including hedge funds, reckless lenders and associated are the problem.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:11 PM on 11/12/2008

Keep an eye on your credit report people - I found Sallie Mae attempting to show my student loans as being active. I'm sure their fudging their numbers to get a bigger piece of the bailout pie.

At first I supported this bailout - now I'm all for seeing the capitalist model scraped.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:01 PM on 11/12/2008
- ohiomark I'm a Fan of ohiomark 127 fans permalink

Look for the Dow to continue to drop until the end of the year. With the pending raise in the capital gains tax and other taxes to come in the Obama Administration, investers are going to bail on the sinking ship that is the upcoming Obama economy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:58 PM on 11/12/2008
- helenwheels I'm a Fan of helenwheels 594 fans permalink
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zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:00 PM on 11/12/2008

Listen up, Dumbo.

You can't live on credit forever...............time to start living in the real world.

And don't forget who has been President the last 8 years,

Sheeesh, can you get any DUMBER??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:02 PM on 11/12/2008
- tomas0808 I'm a Fan of tomas0808 12 fans permalink

I hope the whole thing burns down to the ground, all the way to China, even if it becomes Zimbabwe for ten years. Obama will rebuild a better system

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:02 PM on 11/12/2008
- Jtt I'm a Fan of Jtt 44 fans permalink
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Yea sink the economy and blame the ones doing the bailing - very smart mark

I cant believe you would even post this.

- from Rush Limbaugh and his 400 million reasons for ending Capital Gains?! Right?!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:07 PM on 11/12/2008
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Why would rich people sell off to save 20-25% on SMALLER capital gains when riding out the market till the recovery is economically feasible? Heck, many now have NO capital gains to avoid paying taxes on.

The sinking ship of the Obama economy? Look closely. The name of the side of the boat is the S.S. Bush.

SOT

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:07 PM on 11/12/2008

EXACTLY...the economy tanked because it was built on a false house of cards of borrowing and lies in the entire banking and mortgage industry..thanks to GOP de-regulation spearheaded by Froggy Phil Gramm..Mc Broke's former economic hero and advisor!!! First it was Enron..now the rest go bust!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:17 PM on 11/12/2008
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LMAO! Excellent Soundofthunder! Nicely played.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:28 PM on 11/12/2008
- BuckeyeGal I'm a Fan of BuckeyeGal 4 fans permalink
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Probably a capital LOSS that offsets any GAINS they may have.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:00 PM on 11/12/2008
- Sparky123 I'm a Fan of Sparky123 6 fans permalink

Cash out, folks. This is what the neo-cons planned. They will hand an impossible situation over to Obama and smile broadly when he can't do a thing about it. Then they will sail off to their Carb, islands and watch from afar as the rest of us are rioting in the streets for what is left of the food supply.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:58 PM on 11/12/2008
- ohiomark I'm a Fan of ohiomark 127 fans permalink

The investors in the stock market come from all backgrounds and from both parties. This includes those of us with 401K's. There are just as many Democrats who are cashing out as anyone else.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:02 PM on 11/12/2008
- helenwheels I'm a Fan of helenwheels 594 fans permalink
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bull sh*t

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:26 PM on 11/12/2008

They're 2 years late! I cashed out when these Bozo's took office...and invested in Euros and gold futures when we headed to war!! Out of both now! My 401-M is doing great( Mattress!!)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:29 PM on 11/12/2008
- tomas0808 I'm a Fan of tomas0808 12 fans permalink

We need more guillotines!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:03 PM on 11/12/2008

already did as I saw obama coming two years ago and knew repubs had no chance, you gotta pay attention people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:09 PM on 11/12/2008

You can tell which country is hurting the most..........the 2 warmongers. the USA and the UK

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2187rank.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:58 PM on 11/12/2008

Does anyone in America really rthink that Shrub has any idea about what is going on around him?? That he has a clue about the eonomic crisis and how it is ruining America?? NAH!! His billion is secure in a Dubai or Saudi safe deposit box...Cheney's, too!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:57 PM on 11/12/2008
- Sparky123 I'm a Fan of Sparky123 6 fans permalink

He never cared for 8 years. Why even ask that question now?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:59 PM on 11/12/2008

Paulson buys stakes in banks. Which ones? What set of criteria, if any? Has ther been consideration of the fact that half the financial institutions are absolute, unneeded for a deteoriating, shrunken, frugal future.
One thing stands out over everything else: He doesn't have a clue. The other thing, he is as accomplished squandering the taxpayers' monies as he was swindling the world.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:57 PM on 11/12/2008

After such a horrible day here is a joke to lighten to mood

A little old lady buys a pair of parrots, but cannot identify their sexes. She
calls the shop, and the man there advises her to watch them carefully and all
would become clear in time.

She spends weeks staring at the cage and eventually catches them doing what
comes naturally. To make sure she doesn't get them mixed up again, she cuts out
a ring from a piece of cardboard and puts it round the male parrot's neck.

A while later, the local priest visits the old lady. The male parrot takes one
look at the father's collar, wolf whistles, and says, "I see she caught you at
it, too."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:55 PM on 11/12/2008
- Jtt I'm a Fan of Jtt 44 fans permalink
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"Paulson said the Troubled Asset Relief Program would have taken too long to implement and that direct investments in financial institutions are a better way to restore confidence and ease credit conditions.

The program will also be broadened to include support for non-bank financial institutions that provide consumer credit, such as credit cards and auto loans." -CNN

This should be top story everywhere.

I cant believe he can just make that decision.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:52 PM on 11/12/2008
- Jtt I'm a Fan of Jtt 44 fans permalink
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"direct investments in financial institutions are a better way to restore confidence and ease credit conditions." - Paulson

Again! Its Incredible!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:54 PM on 11/12/2008
- gerrylong I'm a Fan of gerrylong 5 fans permalink

Think of all the F _ _ _ ers who paved the way for the re-election of George W. Bush to his second term in office -- all the Bush "Pioneers" who gathered up $200,000 for his re-election campaign.

Isn't there a way we could hang all of them from a tree in front of the White House for their craven greed?

And the voters who voted him in -- I'm reminded of the headline in the British newspaper --
"How could 50 million people be so stupid?"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:50 PM on 11/12/2008
- helenwheels I'm a Fan of helenwheels 594 fans permalink
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I still get a horribly embarassed feeling whenever I recall that British headline....

and why are we not storming the Bastille yet??!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:59 PM on 11/12/2008
- tomas0808 I'm a Fan of tomas0808 12 fans permalink

"How could 50 million people be so stupid?"

Easy. Consistently try to stop all attempts at free education. It's been the repub strategy for thirty years, to keep enough dumb people around for their 50.1%.

Only in America

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:00 PM on 11/12/2008
- Sparky123 I'm a Fan of Sparky123 6 fans permalink

Easy....so much of our wealth goes to war. It is a very deliberate plan to keep the masses poorly educated. That way, they won't understand what is going on and will just watch sports and drink cheap beer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:05 PM on 11/12/2008
- killpack I'm a Fan of killpack 4 fans permalink

When I used to consider myself a Republican, I would be downright ashamed of other Republicans when they propogated violence and hate against opposing candidates in the way you have just demonstrated. Luckily, I'm not on your side either, so what do I care. I just hope, for your sake, people don't actually go through with your call to violence and "hang" other people for participating in the Democratic process. Just throwing it out there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:18 PM on 11/12/2008
- frappe I'm a Fan of frappe 211 fans permalink
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But the truth is that Bush wasn't elected in 2000. Everyone knows that Gore won Florida. It was stolen. And Kerry really won Ohio in 2004, too. So Bush stole that one too. But Gore would've won a second term in 2004 and the Kerry situation would not have happened. So, my answer to those headlines is that it should have read in big, bold type:

THE REPUBLICANS STOLE THE ELECTION FROM AL GORE
(so that moneyed interests could take full advantage of George Bush's stupidity and steal from the public treasury at will without fear of prosecution)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:37 AM on 11/13/2008
- killpack I'm a Fan of killpack 4 fans permalink

Ladies and Gents, it looks like the Fed is no longer going to buy crappy assets from crappy banks. Great news! It was a stupid idea to begin with. The false alarm didn't do any favors for Wall Street, as seen by the recent plunge, but who cares. It isn't the Fed's job to inflate share prices of poorly managed companies. There is a reason why some companies have failed and some will continue to fail, because they are POORLY MANAGED! Don't let Congress or the White House or the Fed tell you otherwise. Don't let them tell you what to do with YOUR money. If you thought it was a good idea to invest in GM or AIG, you'd be putting in an order right now through your broker of choice. Don't let your elected officials make decisions like that for you. And just because they have thought better of buying bad debt, don't let them off the hook just yet. The whole bailout needs to be repealed. They are now estimating that it will cost $3.5T or more?!?! Are you kidding me?! Don't let them do it!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:50 PM on 11/12/2008
- Sparky123 I'm a Fan of Sparky123 6 fans permalink

Folks on Closing Bell today said that the auto companies need to fail. This is pure capitalism, i.e survival of the fittest. If Obama continues to want to bail them out, he will be doing what is right, but not what the neo-nuts support. What a mess!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:03 PM on 11/12/2008
- killpack I'm a Fan of killpack 4 fans permalink

I don't care what you call it, bailing out General Motors is a TERRIBLE idea. They are an inefficient, poorly managed business that the government should stay completely away from. If it were such a great business, their stock wouldn't be trading at levels not seen since just after WWII. That their stock is still trading hands at all is testament to the fact that some people believe the government will bail them out in the end. Deutche Bank values their stock at ZERO! Not because they have national pride and want to see Daimler and BMW corner the market, but because GM is totally unprofitable. Look at earnings per share: -$38!!! Are you kidding me? The right thing to do is not throw TAXPAYER money at totally mismanaged businesses like GM.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:54 PM on 11/12/2008
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Hey, somebody ask Bush, McCain and Paulson - are the "fundamentals of the economy" still "sound?"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:49 PM on 11/12/2008
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