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SARA LEPRO | November 12, 2008 06:19 PM EST | AP

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NEW YORK — An increasingly despondent Wall Street fell for the third straight session Wednesday as investors absorbed another series of dismal corporate reports and news that the government won't buy banks' soured mortgage assets after all. The Dow Jones industrials dropped more than 410 points, and all the major indexes lost more than 4 percent.

The stock market has lost about $1 trillion over the past three days, according to the Dow Jones Wilshire 5000 index, which reflects the value of nearly all U.S. stocks.

The market started the day falling on more signs that companies are being hurt by a severe pullback in consumer spending. Macy's Inc. said it lost $44 million in the third quarter as sales at the department store retailer fell more than 7 percent. And consumer electronics retailer Best Buy Co. slashed its fiscal 2009 guidance on fears that consumer spending will erode even further.

Meanwhile, Morgan Stanley, suffering from the ongoing losses on Wall Street, outlined plans to cut 10 percent of staff in its institutional securities group _ its biggest business that covers everything from investment banking to stock trading.

More bad news came out after the market closed _ Intel Corp. lowered its fourth-quarter revenue and earnings outlook, citing a spending slowdown that is reducing demand for its computer chips. Intel's stock fell in after-hours trading, and its announcement was likely to trigger more selling across the market on Thursday.

The bleak reports, which followed disappointing news from coffee retailer Starbucks Corp. and homebuilder Toll Brothers Inc. earlier in the week, made it increasingly clear to investors that companies across the economy are suffering from the aftermath of the housing and credit crises.

"There just doesn't appear to be an end in sight to the bad news," said Anton Schutz, portfolio manager of the Burnham Financial Industries Fund and the Burnham Financial Services Fund. "The selling is relentless."

There was more pain at mid-morning, when Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson said the government's $700 billion financial rescue package won't purchase troubled assets from banks. He said that plan would have taken too much time, and that the Treasury instead will rely on buying stakes in banks and encouraging them to resume more normal lending.

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While the market had been pleased by the government's decision weeks ago to buy banks' stock, investors still hoped to see the financial industry relieved of the burden of the mortgage assets whose decline in value helped set off the nation's financial crisis. His comments, which underscored the anxiety that remains about the health of the financial system, sent stocks falling further.

Analysts believe the market is in the process of retesting the intraday low hit on Oct. 10, when the blue chips fell to 7,882.50.

"We're just going through the typical process of testing and retesting," said Matt King, chief investment officer of Bell Investment Advisors. "If we can continue to build higher and higher lows, that's definitely a positive. If the Dow can build a base above 8,100 and bounce off that, we see that as a definite technical positive."

The selling accelerated in the last hour of the day, as it has done in most sessions over the past two months.

"When there is a lot of volatility, especially on a big down day, people just decide they don't want to own stocks overnight," said Ryan Detrick, senior technical strategist at Schaeffer's Investment Research. "News doesn't drive this lower, fear does. Investors will back the next morning after they see where things settled."

Late-day volatility has also been fed by hedge and mutual funds selling as investors withdraw money from the market.

The Dow shed 411.30, or 4.73 percent, to 8,282.66. It was the lowest close for the Dow since its 5 1/2-year low of 8,175.77 reached on Oct. 27.

According to the Dow Jones Wilshire 5000 index, Wednesday's paper losses amounted to about $600 billion. By that measure, the stock market has shed $9.1 trillion since the index's Oct. 9, 2007, peak.

The broader Standard & Poor's 500 index dropped 46.65, or 5.19 percent, to 852.30, and the Nasdaq composite index stumbled 81.69, or 5.17 percent, to 1,499.21.

The Russell 2000 index of smaller companies fell 29.49, or 6.11 percent, to 452.80.

Declining issues overwhelmed advancers on the New York Stock Exchange, where only 240 stocks rose while 2,869 fell. Consolidated volume came to 5.66 billion shares, up from 4.93 billion shares Tuesday.

Though Paulson's announcement marks a major shift in the original bailout plan and rattled investors, Wall Street analysts generally believe the Treasury is now on the right path.

"That's really what they should have done originally," said King. "First and foremost, we have to make sure banks are going to survive and then we can worry about lending. This is the quickest and most efficient way to do that."

"Buying bad assets doesn't do that," he said.

However, there is some concern that the bailout funds are being depleted rather quickly, said Jason O'Donnell, senior research analyst at Boenning & Scattergood.

"Investors are generally in favor of the emphasis on the capital purchase provisions," O'Donnell said. But, "we're down quickly to a small portion of total funds remaining for other purposes."

Paulson also announced a new goal for the program to support financial markets that supply consumer credit in such areas as credit card debt, auto loans and student loans. He said, "with a stronger capital base, our banks will be more confident" to support economic activity.

But investors are worried that a severe pullback in consumer spending _ which drives more than two-thirds of the U.S. economy _ will prolong a global economic downturn.

Macy's shares fell $1.04, or 11 percent, to $8.37. Best Buy shares tumbled $1.91, or 8 percent, to $21.97.

The future of the country's top automakers remained a major concern on the Street as well, as investors waited to see whether the government would put together a bailout plan for General Motors Corp., Ford Motor Co. and Chrysler.

General Motors was the only gainer among the 30 Dow stocks Wednesday, rising 16 cents, or 5.5 percent, to $3.08. Ford gained 4 cents, or 2.2 percent, to $1.84.

Morgan Stanley, which converted into a bank holding company in September, said it plans to scale back its institutional securities business before the end of the year. The layoffs it plans are in addition to a 10 percent cut made earlier this year to the group.

Morgan Stanley also plans to restructure its money management business by cutting 9 percent of the group's work force. The securities firm employs about 44,000 people worldwide. Morgan Stanley shares fell $2.14, or 15.2 percent, to $11.94.

Intel, which fell 41 cents to $13.52 during regular trading, fell to $12.56 after hours.

Meanwhile, American Express Co. is said to be seeking about $3.5 billion from the government to help boost its balance sheet, according to a report in The Wall Street Journal citing people familiar with the situation. AmEx, the No. 4 U.S. credit card issuer, won approval Monday from the Federal Reserve to become a bank holding company, which gives it the ability to grow a large deposit base and access financing from the Fed.

AmEx shares dropped $2.35, or 10.5 percent, to $20.05.

Government bond prices, which did not trade Tuesday because of Veterans Day, moved higher as investors looked for safer investments. The three-month Treasury bill's yield fell to 0.13 percent from 0.22 percent late Monday, and the yield on the benchmark 10-year Treasury note fell to 3.67 percent from 3.76 percent late Monday.

Lower yields indicate stronger demand.

Crude dropped below $57 a barrel Wednesday on the growing realization that global economic growth next year will slow more than originally feared, cutting demand for crude products such as gasoline. Light, sweet crude fell $3.50, or nearly 6 percent, to settle at $56.16 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange.

The dollar was mixed against other major currencies, while gold prices dipped.

Overseas, Japan's Nikkei closed down 1.29 percent and Hong Kong Hang Seng fell 0.73 percent. In Europe, London's FTSE 100 fell 1.52 percent, Germany's DAX fell 2.96 percent, and France's CAC-40 dropped 3.07 percent.

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NEW YORK — An increasingly despondent Wall Street fell for the third straight session Wednesday as investors absorbed another series of dismal corporate reports and news that the government won'...
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well all I can say is you should have dumped your stocks at the end of september and converted to cash, and my wife and I casheed out our 401k's as well and use the money for day trading right now to make up the penalties, there are still ways to make money right now if you have any.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:45 PM on 11/12/2008
- frappe I'm a Fan of frappe 206 fans permalink
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I just find it very troubling -- and I know that we can't allow our economy to collapse on itself -- but I still find it very troubling that those executives who are responsible for bringing on this economic disaster are being bailed out, and are being insulated from the very consequences that they should suffer. Just like George Bush, there's no direct correlation between action and consequences. No accountability. It's wrong. So very wrong. They need to understand that there are consequences for poor decisions and poor behavior. But they always seem to slither out of facing responsibility. They always game the system in such a way as to insulate themselves artificially from having to face the music. And here we all are -- the U.S. taxpayers -- "middle America" -- having to suffer terribly on their account while they remain relatively scuff-free and oblivious and impervious to the harm wrought from their disastrous choices.

WE NEED TO LEGISLATE ACCOUNTABILITY!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:41 PM on 11/12/2008

you dont get it........­....

this is what they had planned all along.....­....

do you see anyone in the government including obama trying to stop it??????????

we are in serious trouble

they wanna tax carbon dioxide next......­.....WE EXHALE IT.PLANTS BREATHE IT........­...WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:46 PM on 11/12/2008
- tomas0808 I'm a Fan of tomas0808 10 fans permalink

No more bogus legislation! What we need are guillotines!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:54 PM on 11/12/2008
- Rondo I'm a Fan of Rondo 28 fans permalink
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If W really wanted to salvage what little is left of his reputation he would resign right now so obama could step in and begin the business of restoring confidence to the marketplace.

Correct reply:

What reputation?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:40 PM on 11/12/2008
- andyboy I'm a Fan of andyboy 74 fans permalink

"the government won't buy banks' soured mortgage assets after all."

Huh? Uncertainty causes unstable markets. Economics 101. Right?

Thanks American government! Great job Guvy!!

Now normally a neo-conservative would say I'm bashing the mother country and am anti-Mom's Apple Pie etc.

But since a Republican is such a stingy person by nature and thus breaks out in hives if he hears the fed is giving out free money to help an American enterprise or stabilize the housing market (the biggest asset we normal folks have) he will jump right on board my bandwagon and complain loud and long.

One can only assume that the republican or neo-conservative would rather GM go bankrupt and everybody lose their job and houses are only worth 70% of what they used to be just to teach everybody a lesson. Make 'em suffer. Tough Love. Cruel to be kind.

Then they want a big tax reduction because this will cause the economy to explode with success. It's been tried and has NOT worked. Ever.

You don't pay any taxes if you don't gota job man.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:37 PM on 11/12/2008
- killpack I'm a Fan of killpack 4 fans permalink

I am not a Republican nor am I a neo-con, but I would rather GM go bankrupt than have the government throw money at such a poorly managed, inefficient enterprise. Houses are worth 70% of what they used to be, because they used to be worth TOO MUCH! I thought we were trying to look out for the little guy in this country. How does artificially inflating home values with taxpayer money help out the poor people in this country who don't even own a home.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:02 PM on 11/12/2008
- Sparky123 I'm a Fan of Sparky123 6 fans permalink

Who k i l l e d the electric car?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:06 PM on 11/12/2008
- carlgt1 I'm a Fan of carlgt1 14 fans permalink

this Repuke historical revisionism is like being 2:10AM on the Titanic with 5 minutes before it goes under, and Captain Smith turns over his captaincy to a new guy, and they all blame the new guy!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:33 PM on 11/12/2008

Bingo, the Americans that say that are the STUPIDEST people on the planet. I am always suprised that they even dare show their idiocy in public.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:47 PM on 11/12/2008
- Sparky123 I'm a Fan of Sparky123 6 fans permalink

I plan to run up charges on my credit card and then wait until Paulson bails me out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:00 PM on 11/12/2008

Looks like Bush has pulled off the plunge protection team. Everyone should google that term.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:27 PM on 11/12/2008

yea they worked untill the election was over......

its all down hill from here......­....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:36 PM on 11/12/2008

there is still a war going on
the united states is bankrupt
the bankers are stealing whats left..
there are more police and less rights then ever

and people are wondering what kind of dog the obamas are buying....­...??????

wake up!!!!!!!!!!! they are all in on it.....
the news is trying to cover the biggest bank heist in history with garbage news.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:41 PM on 11/12/2008
- Sparky123 I'm a Fan of Sparky123 6 fans permalink

Well, gee. It is important what kind of dog they get. It better be a good watch dog, is all I can say. The mobs will be storming the White House if things don't get better real soon.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:56 PM on 11/12/2008

The Dow responded to the Bald Vulture's bait-and-switch tactics with the hundreds of Billions in bailout cash!! why would anyone ever trust a Bush cabinet member??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:25 PM on 11/12/2008
- PT6 I'm a Fan of PT6 25 fans permalink

It is not too late to recapture what has been taken from AMERICA!

Where there is a will there is a way! The courts offer the WAY!

Unpunished they will do it again the NEXT CHANCE THEY GET!

EVEN TODAY, because the risk of capture and prosecution is so low, the corrupt are continuing to SHORT OUR MARKETS AND RUIN OUR COMPANIES and our FUTURE!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:24 PM on 11/12/2008
- helenwheels I'm a Fan of helenwheels 547 fans permalink
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Has anyone else noticed how often those credit rating like freecreditreport.com and others are running commercials these days?

Sickening.­.. soon you won't be able to get a loan unless you've never been late a day on any payment in your entire life.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:20 PM on 11/12/2008

Why need a loan? I have done great without credit paying cash for everything. Of course I worked overseas tax free and banked a bundle. My life didn't start getting better until I LEFT the USA.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:27 PM on 11/12/2008

That includes my 200 k house which I paid for Cash in 2 years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:44 PM on 11/12/2008
- helenwheels I'm a Fan of helenwheels 547 fans permalink
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Not me, I haven't used a credit card or gotten a loan for years. I just laugh at that b.s.... it's just really glaring that they are on so often, and people have to be so obsessed w/their rating any more.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:57 PM on 11/12/2008
- tomas0808 I'm a Fan of tomas0808 10 fans permalink

A long time ago I figured out that any company that advertises has an inferior product or service to those that don't. The history of Miller Beer is a good example. Once a world renowned, award winning beer, they put forward a media blitz to make more money. There was naturally more demand and quality suffered until the once great brand became the p water of today. If I EVER see anything advertised I go elsewhere.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:51 PM on 11/12/2008
- boophus I'm a Fan of boophus 10 fans permalink

Not being a day late doesn't count either. Paying 10 times the minimum payment doesn't count either. Having huge savings doesn't count either. If you pay off accounts and close them you are penalized. I know because we have paid off and closed over half a dozen accounts and watched our score plummet even though we met all the preceding. In fact, our gas card which we have never used to the limit and have faithfully paid every month in full just cut our limit. So now this month I have watched 3 more accounts lower our limits and so have paid them off too and will close them despite that hurting our score.

I don't care anymore, I don't trust any of the banks anymore. They are consolidating and soon they will start charging you for breathing near their bank. WF used to practically charge us on our checking if we drove by ... They charged for using the ATM, they charged for using the tellers, they charged for mailing in and they charged for paying bills by internet, they charged for different levels of balances and they charged for overdrafts caused by thier charges. Meanwhile they used my deposit money to make money. We are thinking of pulling out of the banking system altogether. We have no choice about our pensions .

Buying a credit score service is ridiculous because there are as many credit scores as there types of credit .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:43 PM on 11/12/2008

Yes we can! We can all do our part to help our economy.

For starters, buy locally. Every year for Christmas, birthdays, etc. we put together a basket of local products. It's fun to see what everyone comes up with and we're buying not only American made but locally made.
Here's just a few items from last years baskets: Smart Wool socks, beer from our micro-brewery, salsas, candles, toffee & candy, pottery, herbs, books from local authors, jellies, gift certificates to local restaurants, jewelry, etc.
Just think how great it would be if everyone bought locally...­..instead of made in China at Wally World.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:06 PM on 11/12/2008

true. but why do we have to buy?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:24 PM on 11/12/2008
- 67bug I'm a Fan of 67bug 10 fans permalink
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I want to live where you live!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:26 PM on 11/12/2008
- drkazmd65 I'm a Fan of drkazmd65 54 fans permalink
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Excellent ideas judibluiz!

Have been trying to do that for years now - especially since Wal-Mart and K-Mart and such have been outsourcing all local production.

The plan for the wife and myself this year for Christmas - treat ourselves to a couple of days sightseeing in DC (We live in MD), an overnight (locally operated) hotel stay, a Shakespeare theater play, a locally prepared extravagant dinner, and then buying local (where possible) to exchange limited numbers of presents.

Got the jelly shop down the street,... and only three blocks walk from the local brew-pub,.­. might have to figure out a way to integrate those into the mix over Solsitce as well.

Wonder if I can get some locally produced wine to mull and make some Wassel?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:42 PM on 11/12/2008
- andyboy I'm a Fan of andyboy 74 fans permalink

I've always wondered why an American company or industry can't operate on a model of say a Korean carmaker. Why do they succeed?

You'll find in most instances our cost of labor kept rising even though profits did not rise in proportion. The union negotiates a contract with guaranteed raises but there is no guarantee that the company will sell as much product. It's called taking more than you give. And you should'na took more than you gave.

We all wanted to make an ever larger amount of money ad infinitum. Not possible. The house builders want to build more houses every year forever. There comes a day when you'll saturate the market. When I was 20 a brand spanking new car cost $3-$5k. The automakers brought home $25-$30k.

Today you might earn 4% on a CD but pay 18% for a credit card. Or more. The two should be very close together. Of course the bank is going to charge more lend to you but not by factors of 5 or 10. It's greed. We've been told it's good. But it will destroy you in the end.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:55 PM on 11/12/2008
- PT6 I'm a Fan of PT6 25 fans permalink

Today another VOTE of NO Confidence in BUSH Administration!

In Business that would cause immediate TERM1NATION!

How do you gain CONFIDENCE back?

This market is crying out for NEW DIRECTION and the Bush Administration can not provide that as they are viewed as the PROBLEM.

Unfortunately, we have Bush Admin for almost 70 more days!

In a crisis like this they could step aside with enough pressure from Wall Street and Businesses in general!

Can we really wait 69 more Days?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:01 PM on 11/12/2008
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Folks Paulson and company have NO intentional of fixing our problems because they cannot be fixed. They are treading water pure and simple and stockpiling as much cash as possible and waiting for the INEVITABLE crash so they can sneak in under cover of darkness and buy up the pieces. Keep listening to those clowns and believing their drivel if you wish but if you are not LIQUID right now you will soon be vaporized.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:59 PM on 11/12/2008

MrC:

The Economic Fractalist seems to be calling a bottom. However, it's looking like an L shaped recession rather than a V or a U. No need to rush in as we reach the nadir, we should be here a while.

I think we will restart the "residual real economy" soon, so long as the nattering nabobs of negativism with an ideological axe to grind are kept in their places. Even here on Huffpo I see many entries by folks claiming that the market is still headed down BECAUSE Obama was elected.

Yes we have to start from nothing, because that's what we have now. Yes, we can and should go after those who stole the money while imposing new rules to keep this from happening again. But, the crash is here. Feel it. Dig it. Get over it.

I liked the way Lammert put it:
" A great transformation of a global linearly-thinking citizenry residing in a nonlinear world will occur during this transition period. "

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:17 PM on 11/12/2008
- Furby I'm a Fan of Furby 66 fans permalink
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Call it a guilty pleasure, but the only enjoyment I get out of this is that even Warren didn't call it right this time. I saw his shirt hanging out on the line right next to mine.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:58 PM on 11/12/2008

Is this that Obama Rally the HuffingtonPost was talking about?

The Sarah Palin Lies...

http://MYrealitytelevision.com/2008/11/why-the-gop-spent-150000-for-palins-wardrobe/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:54 PM on 11/12/2008
- lessbs I'm a Fan of lessbs 19 fans permalink
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No--You need to read more newspapers than your heroine Sarah--the inauguration isn't until January. This is the continuation of the Republican financial implosion and, hopefully, will result in dismantling the failed right wing policies that started the ruination of this country when Reagan was elected.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:01 PM on 11/12/2008
- SangZe I'm a Fan of SangZe 34 fans permalink

Thank you, Mr. Bush. You sure know how to spread the wealth around.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:44 PM on 11/12/2008
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