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SARA LEPRO | November 12, 2008 06:19 PM EST | AP

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NEW YORK — An increasingly despondent Wall Street fell for the third straight session Wednesday as investors absorbed another series of dismal corporate reports and news that the government won't buy banks' soured mortgage assets after all. The Dow Jones industrials dropped more than 410 points, and all the major indexes lost more than 4 percent.

The stock market has lost about $1 trillion over the past three days, according to the Dow Jones Wilshire 5000 index, which reflects the value of nearly all U.S. stocks.

The market started the day falling on more signs that companies are being hurt by a severe pullback in consumer spending. Macy's Inc. said it lost $44 million in the third quarter as sales at the department store retailer fell more than 7 percent. And consumer electronics retailer Best Buy Co. slashed its fiscal 2009 guidance on fears that consumer spending will erode even further.

Meanwhile, Morgan Stanley, suffering from the ongoing losses on Wall Street, outlined plans to cut 10 percent of staff in its institutional securities group _ its biggest business that covers everything from investment banking to stock trading.

More bad news came out after the market closed _ Intel Corp. lowered its fourth-quarter revenue and earnings outlook, citing a spending slowdown that is reducing demand for its computer chips. Intel's stock fell in after-hours trading, and its announcement was likely to trigger more selling across the market on Thursday.

The bleak reports, which followed disappointing news from coffee retailer Starbucks Corp. and homebuilder Toll Brothers Inc. earlier in the week, made it increasingly clear to investors that companies across the economy are suffering from the aftermath of the housing and credit crises.

"There just doesn't appear to be an end in sight to the bad news," said Anton Schutz, portfolio manager of the Burnham Financial Industries Fund and the Burnham Financial Services Fund. "The selling is relentless."

There was more pain at mid-morning, when Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson said the government's $700 billion financial rescue package won't purchase troubled assets from banks. He said that plan would have taken too much time, and that the Treasury instead will rely on buying stakes in banks and encouraging them to resume more normal lending.

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While the market had been pleased by the government's decision weeks ago to buy banks' stock, investors still hoped to see the financial industry relieved of the burden of the mortgage assets whose decline in value helped set off the nation's financial crisis. His comments, which underscored the anxiety that remains about the health of the financial system, sent stocks falling further.

Analysts believe the market is in the process of retesting the intraday low hit on Oct. 10, when the blue chips fell to 7,882.50.

"We're just going through the typical process of testing and retesting," said Matt King, chief investment officer of Bell Investment Advisors. "If we can continue to build higher and higher lows, that's definitely a positive. If the Dow can build a base above 8,100 and bounce off that, we see that as a definite technical positive."

The selling accelerated in the last hour of the day, as it has done in most sessions over the past two months.

"When there is a lot of volatility, especially on a big down day, people just decide they don't want to own stocks overnight," said Ryan Detrick, senior technical strategist at Schaeffer's Investment Research. "News doesn't drive this lower, fear does. Investors will back the next morning after they see where things settled."

Late-day volatility has also been fed by hedge and mutual funds selling as investors withdraw money from the market.

The Dow shed 411.30, or 4.73 percent, to 8,282.66. It was the lowest close for the Dow since its 5 1/2-year low of 8,175.77 reached on Oct. 27.

According to the Dow Jones Wilshire 5000 index, Wednesday's paper losses amounted to about $600 billion. By that measure, the stock market has shed $9.1 trillion since the index's Oct. 9, 2007, peak.

The broader Standard & Poor's 500 index dropped 46.65, or 5.19 percent, to 852.30, and the Nasdaq composite index stumbled 81.69, or 5.17 percent, to 1,499.21.

The Russell 2000 index of smaller companies fell 29.49, or 6.11 percent, to 452.80.

Declining issues overwhelmed advancers on the New York Stock Exchange, where only 240 stocks rose while 2,869 fell. Consolidated volume came to 5.66 billion shares, up from 4.93 billion shares Tuesday.

Though Paulson's announcement marks a major shift in the original bailout plan and rattled investors, Wall Street analysts generally believe the Treasury is now on the right path.

"That's really what they should have done originally," said King. "First and foremost, we have to make sure banks are going to survive and then we can worry about lending. This is the quickest and most efficient way to do that."

"Buying bad assets doesn't do that," he said.

However, there is some concern that the bailout funds are being depleted rather quickly, said Jason O'Donnell, senior research analyst at Boenning & Scattergood.

"Investors are generally in favor of the emphasis on the capital purchase provisions," O'Donnell said. But, "we're down quickly to a small portion of total funds remaining for other purposes."

Paulson also announced a new goal for the program to support financial markets that supply consumer credit in such areas as credit card debt, auto loans and student loans. He said, "with a stronger capital base, our banks will be more confident" to support economic activity.

But investors are worried that a severe pullback in consumer spending _ which drives more than two-thirds of the U.S. economy _ will prolong a global economic downturn.

Macy's shares fell $1.04, or 11 percent, to $8.37. Best Buy shares tumbled $1.91, or 8 percent, to $21.97.

The future of the country's top automakers remained a major concern on the Street as well, as investors waited to see whether the government would put together a bailout plan for General Motors Corp., Ford Motor Co. and Chrysler.

General Motors was the only gainer among the 30 Dow stocks Wednesday, rising 16 cents, or 5.5 percent, to $3.08. Ford gained 4 cents, or 2.2 percent, to $1.84.

Morgan Stanley, which converted into a bank holding company in September, said it plans to scale back its institutional securities business before the end of the year. The layoffs it plans are in addition to a 10 percent cut made earlier this year to the group.

Morgan Stanley also plans to restructure its money management business by cutting 9 percent of the group's work force. The securities firm employs about 44,000 people worldwide. Morgan Stanley shares fell $2.14, or 15.2 percent, to $11.94.

Intel, which fell 41 cents to $13.52 during regular trading, fell to $12.56 after hours.

Meanwhile, American Express Co. is said to be seeking about $3.5 billion from the government to help boost its balance sheet, according to a report in The Wall Street Journal citing people familiar with the situation. AmEx, the No. 4 U.S. credit card issuer, won approval Monday from the Federal Reserve to become a bank holding company, which gives it the ability to grow a large deposit base and access financing from the Fed.

AmEx shares dropped $2.35, or 10.5 percent, to $20.05.

Government bond prices, which did not trade Tuesday because of Veterans Day, moved higher as investors looked for safer investments. The three-month Treasury bill's yield fell to 0.13 percent from 0.22 percent late Monday, and the yield on the benchmark 10-year Treasury note fell to 3.67 percent from 3.76 percent late Monday.

Lower yields indicate stronger demand.

Crude dropped below $57 a barrel Wednesday on the growing realization that global economic growth next year will slow more than originally feared, cutting demand for crude products such as gasoline. Light, sweet crude fell $3.50, or nearly 6 percent, to settle at $56.16 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange.

The dollar was mixed against other major currencies, while gold prices dipped.

Overseas, Japan's Nikkei closed down 1.29 percent and Hong Kong Hang Seng fell 0.73 percent. In Europe, London's FTSE 100 fell 1.52 percent, Germany's DAX fell 2.96 percent, and France's CAC-40 dropped 3.07 percent.

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NEW YORK — An increasingly despondent Wall Street fell for the third straight session Wednesday as investors absorbed another series of dismal corporate reports and news that the government won'...
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Give the money back to us, we have more common sense on how to spend it, not to mention it's our tax dollars anyway, call it a big tax rebate, this economy will come back in a matter months. Start enforcing anti-trust laws again, Teddy Roosevelt had a point, no corporation should be to big to fail or stifle competition, now one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:32 PM on 11/12/2008

I tried to tell ya but you wouldn't listen.

Astute investors know the score.

They fear Obama and the dems will bankrupt this nation.

They fear his deficits and his whacky spending plans.

The stock market continues to reflect their fear of the president-elect.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:30 PM on 11/12/2008
- research I'm a Fan of research 296 fans permalink

And when the market fell when McCain was ahead?????

The GOP religion of deregulation caused the crash, and everyone but you folks know it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:35 PM on 11/12/2008
- moderate1 I'm a Fan of moderate1 7 fans permalink

Not true actually. See my post above, but since I got cut off I'll add a few things here.

The Clinton administration reformed the CRA by creating the 'President's Community Development Bank' which increased lending, reduced paperwork and guaranteed banking services to residents of the inner cities. In 2003, the Bush administration attempted to increase oversight and add a new regulatory arm under the auspices of the Department of the Treasury, with particular emphasis on the monitoring of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the largest holders of CRA subprime paper. Barney Frank declared, “These two entities — Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac — are not facing any kind of financial crisis, the more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing."

Can you guess which Rep. Fannie and Freddie chose to give their largest sums in terms of political contributions?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:30 PM on 11/12/2008
- ssgman I'm a Fan of ssgman 8 fans permalink
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Whoa there, Big Brain! Astute investors don't give a toot about whether dems *will* bankrupt the country. Astute investors realize the repubs have ALREADY bankrupted the nation. you need to put on your thinking cap again, you know, the one with the pointy top shaped like a cone?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:37 PM on 11/12/2008
- msjimmied I'm a Fan of msjimmied 55 fans permalink
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Thank you. Now I would not have to type all that. :-)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:47 PM on 11/12/2008

You really don't get it do you, Dumbo??

The USA and Bush policies are too blame, including millions of stupid people that think they could live on credit forever.

Time to pay the piper, you idiot....... its has nothing to do with Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:47 PM on 11/12/2008

You really don't get it do you?

The USA and Bush policies are too blame, including millions of stupid people that think they could live on credit forever.

Time to pay the piper, you i di ot....... its has nothing to do with Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:47 PM on 11/12/2008

apparently you don't look at the numbers like an economic fractalist. http://weblog.ecommunics.org/theeconomicfractalist/index.html#318

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:53 PM on 11/12/2008

Obama can reverse the slide any time by simply stating that he'll not seek to raise the capital gains tax until were are out of recession.

Obama's election, while good in many ways, IS the reason the market has slumped lately.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:26 PM on 11/12/2008
- research I'm a Fan of research 296 fans permalink

Why did the market fall when McCain was ahead?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:36 PM on 11/12/2008
- Hawka I'm a Fan of Hawka 9 fans permalink

...
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...... have you been around the past couple of years and looked at the state of our economy even before Barack got elected? Why do you even think he got elected in the first place?? Arrggh, GOP's still out to safeguard their wallets after they bleed the country dry.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:37 PM on 11/12/2008
- AmandaBC I'm a Fan of AmandaBC 617 fans permalink
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"Obama's election, while good in many ways, IS the reason the market has slumped lately."

Too bad the economy was already in the tank before he even considered running.
Too bad the Dow had already dropped big time way before Obama was elected. Actually only a couple of days after your candidate came up with "the fundamentals of the US economy are strong." That might have been a wake-up call for a lot of gullible voters who were about to pick McCain...

Can you hear the soundf of your argument crashing and burning?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:51 PM on 11/12/2008
- helenwheels I'm a Fan of helenwheels 595 fans permalink
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I sure can!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:00 PM on 11/12/2008
- boophus I'm a Fan of boophus 10 fans permalink

Too bad the housing melt down started to show its ugly head before the non-veto proof dem majority took over congress. There was a thing they could do to get King George to admit he was wrong.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:51 PM on 11/12/2008

How many times will I have to post this:

apparently you don't look at the numbers like an economic fractalist. http://weblog.ecommunics.org/theeconomicfractalist/index.html#318

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:54 PM on 11/12/2008
- GrkAm I'm a Fan of GrkAm 21 fans permalink
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Real . . . I beg to differ with the idea that President-elect Obama can turn this around with the snap of his fingers. The trouble with our economy started years ago. It started with de-regulation and progressed like wildfire when compounded by greed! Individuals from the GAO stated we were in for a bad run at least three years ago! This is just the beginning of the downward slide, that finally got everyone's attention.

This will take years to rectify. Life doesn't change that quickly. The signs have been there, but the Bush administration tried to ignore it all. If people expect our new President to "make everything ALL better again" in a couple of months are going to be disappointed terribly!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:54 PM on 11/12/2008
- iPolitics I'm a Fan of iPolitics 33 fans permalink

WELFARE Street

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:26 PM on 11/12/2008

Don't you know, Rush is telling the pointy ditto heads, it's all Obama fault. Can someone fire Paulson?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:25 PM on 11/12/2008

its not obamas fault but he did vote for the bailout and he sure isnt complaining or calling for paulson to go to jail...
NO ONE IS..............

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:31 PM on 11/12/2008
- PT6 I'm a Fan of PT6 25 fans permalink

CAN WE AFFORD 69 MORE DAYS OF BUSH ADMINISTRATION?

THEY MUST STEP ASIDE FOR AMERICA to SURVIVE!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:25 PM on 11/12/2008
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Bush entered office with DJIA at around 10,400 and after almost 8 years is leaving it at below 8,300. Any tro//s trying to spin this as Obama's fault are the same tro//s that blamed Clinton when the stock market went down after Bush's first year.

You cannot have it both ways.

It's all about job growth and wage growth which have been negative or flat based on population increase. If the middle class had money in their pockets this financial crissis would not have occurred, because all these loans were based on models where income grew like it did under Clinton.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:24 PM on 11/12/2008

and we have only the dems to blame for this

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:21 PM on 11/12/2008
- research I'm a Fan of research 296 fans permalink

Still haven't found truth have you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:31 PM on 11/12/2008
- helenwheels I'm a Fan of helenwheels 595 fans permalink
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Um, yeah, in Opposite Land

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:12 PM on 11/12/2008
- solid I'm a Fan of solid 25 fans permalink

Keep seeking, all you find are lies, lies, and more lies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:18 PM on 11/12/2008
- boophus I'm a Fan of boophus 10 fans permalink

You wouldn't know truth if it reared up and bit your a$$. And WW II was Obamas fault and Mt St Helens going off was Obamas fault and the Hindenbreg, and my hang nail and your brain damage .... Wait maybe that last was because you have been drinking Rush Limbaughs guaranteed high octane wood alcohol.

You are so goofy I think you should get rid of the elephant as the symbol of your party and adopt WD Goofy and maybe Pluto as you hidden side.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:54 PM on 11/12/2008
- Tyrione I'm a Fan of Tyrione 44 fans permalink
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the overall ignorance of most posters doesn't shock me. Folks, we don't have a true Capitalist society. That died long before the Industrial Revolution kicked in and turned the nation into a collection of Trusts.

What amazes me is that the we continue to have this dichotomy between reform for Capitalism and reform for Society. We get sound leveling of the playing fields with Trust Busting under Teddy Roosevelt, yet simultaneously we get bigotry and insulation from Teddy Roosevelt with the prevailing wisdom of the day being a stratification of race hierarchy.

We have no excuses today where all those old social prejudices have been busted and are broken in science and an endless pool of facts to silence such fears. Unfortunately, instead of shoring up that obvious defect and thus moving forward we've managed to destroy the Trust Busting field leveling of Roosevelt and returned to the conglomerate behemoths that are running the economies of scale into a corner left to desperately fight back with Central Government retaliation run amuck.

Man is their own worst enemy. We can't seem to progress on both fronts--there seems to be a self-destruct kill switch when we seem to get close.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:19 PM on 11/12/2008
- BlueZoo I'm a Fan of BlueZoo 46 fans permalink

The inmates are running the asylum, people! Mr. Paulson and Mr. Kashkari are both ex-Goldman, Sachs and they don't have a clue what to do about the mess they helped create. If you listened to Paulson's speech, you know all he said was the bailout isn't working so they're trying another tack. My God! They're throwing Hail Mary passes! This is insane!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:18 PM on 11/12/2008
- PT6 I'm a Fan of PT6 25 fans permalink

NO CONFIDENCE VOTE BY MARKET AGAINST BUSH ADMINISTRATION INCLUDING PAULSON!

Gave Banks $2 TO $3 Trillion and NOTHING!

$0 to Bleeding Homeowner Mortgages so banks keep collapsing and market TANKS!

Keep avoiding ROOT Cause and it will be DEPRESSION!

Better approach: Fannie and Freddie offer direct automated internet loans using FED Rate of 1% + 2% or 3% to refi homes and avoid mortgage fees, bank fees, title fees, most verification fees, and most documentation work.

Any homeowner with a "TRICK" adjustable mortgage should be eligible if they can make the "NEW MUCH LOWER PAYMENT" and that target should be 40% of net income!

Mortgages are easy to quantify, the INTERNET and automation can do 98% of the verification and loan application and 2% manual for final check!

Why such low rates? Because Middle men Removed!

Most "TRICK" mortgage jobs have been eliminated when Investment Banks ran for cover! Those dishonest brokers made massive profits and knew they were setting people up for disaster. Automated systems create a better economy for ALL and why should antiquated mortgage business be excluded after such corruption?

Savings: Pay debts, buy American Green Cars, buy Real Estate, and American goods plus help other countries in crisis by buying their goods!

Families could save $500 to $1,500 per month and even more.

Since ENTIRE ECONOMY is moving toward possible Depression we need funds where they do the most GOOD over the LONGEST RUN and lower mortgages are BEST LONG TERM STIMULUS possible!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:16 PM on 11/12/2008
- HRP I'm a Fan of HRP 2 fans permalink

I can only say, from the bottom of my heart, that I hope their f...... bonuses fall at the same daily rate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:15 PM on 11/12/2008
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Another tough day on the market and more to come. Wall Street is not giving the thumbs up to Obama’s Presidency. All Investors should recognize this and take steps to protect your money. One of the best strategies in times like this is to consider to invest some overseas in an offshore bank account. This will help give you better investment opportunities and provide a hedge against whatever comes down the line in the US market. Remember: we have not seen the bottom yet.

Best,
Frank Miller
http://www.theoffshorebankaccount.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:09 PM on 11/12/2008

I thank my lucky stars I saw the writing on the wall 20 years ago and escaped.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:13 PM on 11/12/2008
- heal57 I'm a Fan of heal57 27 fans permalink

That's what my husband said, and he worked on Wall Street in his 20's. He's 61 now. Things are manipulated. Don't anybody think that social security or what's left of savings should go into the Market unless you don't need the money for 15+ years. I'd take it out 15 years before I'd need it; better safe than sorry. It's not worth the risk.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:17 PM on 11/12/2008

You only think you escaped. The markets are not de-coupled.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:56 PM on 11/12/2008
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It's all about job and wage growth which have been stagnant under Bush. If jobs and wages grew under Bush we just would not have had these financial problems.

It has nothing to do with Obama ignoramus.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:15 PM on 11/12/2008
- jmw2006 I'm a Fan of jmw2006 2 fans permalink

F Wall Street, Mr Miller

investors do not trust the recent government anymore. Don't you get it?

Again false pretenses to get the whopping $700 Billion approved and now a 180 how to use it.

You M*orons don't have a clue ahow the mess you started has been createn, how do you think you can fix it.

Go back to your FOX hole and listen to Hannity and all the other arse holes

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:48 PM on 11/12/2008
- boophus I'm a Fan of boophus 10 fans permalink

You are idiots who Rush Limbaugh is leading like sheep. The market is reacting to profit reports and unemployment reports and consumer spending reports and bankruptcy an foreclosure reports that are the net result of the Bush years and have been growing since the gullible bought the trickle down theory. They are not reacting to a presidency that has not occurred but continue to believe that and you will do what Rush Limbaugh wants: a total melt down of the economy and as a prize maybe he will get his wish to see the end of our democracy and the destruction of the constitution. This man is so slimy and anyone who believes him has serious character flaws. I bet he has his money he earned tearing this country apart tucked away out of country and has plans to move to somewhere else where he can sit back and suck up his drugs and laugh at all of his fans who would have to live in the devastation he has caused.

Congratulation Nattering Nabobs of Negativity. I am sure that there is some unborn child you can blame tommorrow for the failure of the policies that you support today. Do you realize how stupid you sound?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:03 PM on 11/12/2008
- drkazmd65 I'm a Fan of drkazmd65 56 fans permalink
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"While the market had been pleased by the government's decision weeks ago to buy banks' stock, investors still hoped to see the financial industry relieved of the burden of the mortgage assets whose decline in value helped set off the nation's financial crisis."

You mean,... *gasp*,... the market might actually have to bear some of the financial responsibility for ,..... *gasp*,.... some of it's own bad business decisions over the last couple of years,....?????

Imagine that,... corporate socialism won't be completely borne on the backs of those that actually work for a living? Who woulda thunk that business would have to take up some of the burden and some of the blame?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:06 PM on 11/12/2008

I notice that Bush isn't quite his arrogant smirking self lately.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:06 PM on 11/12/2008
- jmw2006 I'm a Fan of jmw2006 2 fans permalink

i wouldn't be seen in public anymore

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:49 PM on 11/12/2008
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