Former Congressman Mark Foley Breaks Silence On Sex Scandal

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BRIAN SKOLOFF | November 12, 2008 04:04 AM EST | AP

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Former Rep. Mark Foley, R-Fla., is interviewed in New York, Monday Nov. 10, 2008. Even two years after Mark Foley's public fall from grace, the former congressman can't explain why he sent lurid computer messages to former male Capitol Hill pages. (AP Photo/Richard Drew)

NEW YORK — Even today, two years after Mark Foley's very public fall from grace, the former congressman can't explain why he sent lurid, sexually explicit computer messages to male teens who had worked as Capitol Hill pages.

Sitting in his room at the Four Seasons Hotel in New York this week, the Florida Republican, wearing a yellow tie with blue elephants, finally broke his silence.

"I'm trying to find my way back," Foley said in an interview with The Associated Press, his first public comments on the scandal since resigning from Congress on Sept. 29, 2006.

Foley insists he did nothing illegal and never had sexual contact with teens, just inappropriate Internet conversations. Investigations by the FBI and Florida authorities ended without criminal charges.

And while he concedes his behavior was "extraordinarily stupid," he remains somewhat unwilling to accept full public scorn.

These were 17-year-olds, just months from being men, he insists.

"There was never anywhere in those conversations where someone said, 'Stop,' or 'I'm not enjoying this,' or 'This is inappropriate' ... but again, I'm the adult here, I'm the congressman," Foley said. "The fact is I allowed it to happen. That's where my responsibility lies."

Foley had built a national reputation as an advocate for tougher penalties against child sexual predators. As co-chairman of the Congressional Missing and Exploited Children's Caucus, he helped craft a law to protect children on the Internet.

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Still, he said, there was no hypocrisy.

"The work I was doing was involving young children ... You know, you hear the term 'pedophile.' That is prepubescent," Foley said, noting a "huge difference" from lurid chats with teens on the brink of adulthood.

"At the end of the day, they were instant messages that were extraordinarily inappropriate," he added, breathing a heavy sigh, his eyes wandering toward the ceiling.

So why talk now? Sympathy? Forgiveness?

Nope.

Just to free himself from the media clamoring for his first interview.

"I believed I owed my constituents an apology," Foley said. "I embarrassed them and I embarrassed my family and I wanted to have a chance in a public setting to lend my voice to what happened, not through an attorney, not through a spokesperson, but from myself."

Today, he's a pariah in Congress and the Republican Party. The affable man who reveled in the spotlight finds himself branded a pedophile, at best, a creep. Three former staffers refused comment because of their disgust with his behavior. He makes his living investing in real estate and other business.

"In public life, you dream of the day they'll name a hospital after you, or a bridge or a post office," Foley said, twisting a gold band on his ring finger identical to one his high-society dermatologist boyfriend wears.

"If I had a post office named after me today, they'd probably return to sender," he said. "It's not a pleasant place to be. It's not what I envisioned ... working this hard all my life to end up in an ash heap because of a momentary lapse of judgment."

But Foley carried on the computer conversations for months, asking about masturbation, sex, and other details.

Shortly after his resignation, his attorney announced that Foley was gay and an alcoholic and had been molested by a priest as a teenage altar boy in Florida. Foley then checked himself into a treatment facility.

"I loved my early life, and then along comes a priest ... who forces me into a sexual relationship at the age of 12. And right shortly thereafter, I fail eighth grade, I start drugs, I start drinking, I start smoking," he said. "My entire life ... implodes."

He was elected to the U.S. House in 1994 as a popular hometown boy who kept busy in glitzy Palm Beach, Fla., attending lavish parties and fundraisers with the likes of Donald Trump, Jay Leno, and actress Bo Derek.

While his homosexuality was said to be the worst-kept secret on the Hill and around Palm Beach, he cloaked himself in a false public persona, appearing at events with beautiful women.

He drank a lot and spiraled into darkness.

"Those demons that were inside me, by not addressing them, caused me to spin out of control," he said.

He doesn't feel fully responsible for Democrats taking over the House in 2006, but owns up to his role and calls his behavior "profoundly regrettable."

"They had the Republicans on a number of ethical scandals and, you know, I served up for them the moral dilemma," he said.

A Republican won back Foley's congressional district last week after the Democrat who replaced him was caught in an adultery scandal. It's become known as "The Curse of the Mark Foley Seat."

"It's not what I had hoped would be my lasting legacy," he said, pausing to brush away tears.

So what does the man who once was such a popular figure in politics and high-society do now?

"I don't know. I don't know," he said. "I'm just going to take it a day at a time."

NEW YORK — Even today, two years after Mark Foley's very public fall from grace, the former congressman can't explain why he sent lurid, sexually explicit computer messages to male teens who had...
NEW YORK — Even today, two years after Mark Foley's very public fall from grace, the former congressman can't explain why he sent lurid, sexually explicit computer messages to male teens who had...
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- JohnShank I'm a Fan of JohnShank 6 fans permalink

Foley's gay. He needs to admit it, get a young latino lover and move on!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 AM on 11/12/2008
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You didn't read the article, did you? He has admitted he's gay and he has a "high-society dermatologist" boyfriend. Honestly, if you're going to comment, at least read the article. Otherwise you just look silly.

What he needs to do now is admit that teenage boys are still BOYS, and what he did was just flat-out wrong. Get comfortable with the term pedophile, Foley. Whether you acted on it or not, you have those feelings and you are dangerous.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:53 AM on 11/12/2008
- realpolitic I'm a Fan of realpolitic 166 fans permalink

Foley says the young male teens never said stop. Foley's denial is part of the classic pedophile profle.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:19 AM on 11/12/2008

I think his wrongdoing rests in his abuse of his position. Let's not jump to conclusions about pedophilia and what not. One does more damage to a man by calling him that in our society than Mr. Foley has done to anyone. It is certainly unseemly for a middle-aged man to be having sexually explicit chats with 17 year olds, but let's save the naive outrage and convenient delusion that 17 year old boys are the same thing as sexually undeveloped toddlers. I was 17 years old once.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 AM on 11/12/2008
- JohnShank I'm a Fan of JohnShank 6 fans permalink

I am almost positive your attitude would be different if we were talking about 17 year old girls.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:24 AM on 11/12/2008

I'm not defending him, but my attitude wouldn't change if these hypothetical girls displayed the same level of comfort and casualness that Mr. Foley's pages did in their chats. All I'm saying is that while our law may call people adults at 18, nature certainly doesn't wait that long. Which is to say branding someone as a pedophile is, to me, a more morally reprehensible act than anything Foley did.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 AM on 11/12/2008

Also, the legal age of consent in DC is 16.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 AM on 11/12/2008
- MajorChode I'm a Fan of MajorChode 2 fans permalink
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Hmmm, so at what point does a creep become the worst type of sexual predator imaginable? 16, 14, 12? Foley was 52 at the time. Do you really think he differentiates much between a 17 yr old and a 14 yr old other than perhaps the legal ramifications? Personally I'd rate that just a bit south of "unseemly". The fact that Foley was in lock step with the party that seeks to deny homosexuals their civil rights just adds to his hypocrisy. Foley is a creep that deserves no sympathy of any sort.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 AM on 11/12/2008

A 17 year old is sexually mature. A 12 year old is not. Men who want to have sex with children are sick. Men who fantasize about 17 year olds are, well, men.

I am disturbed more by our Dateline: Catch a Predator society than by an old queen getting his rocks off online.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 AM on 11/12/2008

Like lots of people who engage in antisocial behavior, Foley objectifies other people and lacks the capacity for empathy. He can't, for the life of him, understand why his behavior would be repugnant to the teenaged recipients or the public at large, and he clearly considers himself a victim. Sadly, society and the prison system are full of such people, and they do a lot of damage.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:16 AM on 11/12/2008

That's exactly what I thought as I was reading Foley's comments. He's either a sociopath or NPD. He's also clearly still very, very repressed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 AM on 11/12/2008

As a Democrat, I think I took some smug satisfaction out of the whole Foley episode, in terms of the fact that it helped win back the House in 2006. That said, I feel sympathy of Mr. Foley. I can relate to some of what he went through, to a certain extent. The "closet" is a terrible place to be, and certainly substance abuse issues go hand in hand with it. Growing up and getting out of the closet is the only way for a gay American adult to live sanely. Luckily for me, I did this in my 20's, and so did not waste decades in the closet. Still though, I can definitely sympathize with the difficulty Congressman Foley must have had in trying to live a double life with all the self-hatred that goes into that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:12 AM on 11/12/2008
- glesslib I'm a Fan of glesslib 24 fans permalink

Coming out of the closet or staying in the closet was not Foley's problem. Trying to have an inappropriate relationship with minors, even minors close to their majority is his problem. Why couldn't he just meet some 20 something men and exchange naughty e-mails with them? Why did he feel the need to say and write lasciviious things to kids under 18? That's where his behavior became a problem. Being a page in Congress is an honor. Having to put up with some guy 20 to 30 years older sendnig sexually based material to you and not knowing how to handle that is a serious deal for an underage kid. There's something not quite right about Folely, and we all know that. He took advantage of his position for his own sexual ends.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:32 PM on 11/12/2008

Wonder if he ever tanned together with Florida's "Tanning Governor"-Charlie Crist???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 AM on 11/12/2008

i found it highly `curious' that florida governor christ got engaged ,to a woman,when his name was inthe national political spotlight. not saying theres anything wrong with it ,but my girlfriend and i thought him gay when he got elected governor.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 AM on 11/12/2008
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He needs to go back to rehab if he still doesn't get that it was a creepy form of sexual harrassment in which he abused his position of power and prestige for his own creepy satisfaction.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 AM on 11/12/2008
- Stephen I'm a Fan of Stephen 3 fans permalink

Right you are. I used to co-facilitate sex offender group therapy and I have heard Foley's line of thinking often at the beginning of therapy. "No big deal," "Almost legal" and my personal favorite: "They liked it- they weren't complaining." Do I recollect correctly that his therapy was for substance abuse? I don't see how he could have gone through sex offender therapy and be saying these things. He is self-delusional if he thinks he has a future in politics. He seems to have lots of issues and should be in long-term therapy. I wish him well. He has a lot of good assets to build a new life with and that is the direction he should be heading-not looking back to his old life.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 AM on 11/12/2008
- WoodyCPM I'm a Fan of WoodyCPM 81 fans permalink

This is hopeless to try to talk sense to any of you people. I don't like Mark Foley. I think what he did was stupid. it was stupid because it got him into a lot of trouble that he should have had the good sense to avoid. But I agree with Mark Foley. 17 year olds are not children. They weren't prepubscent children. To carry on as if they were is just stupid. It's only in this backwards, ignorant, sexual hysterical country that people can be so utterly wrong about something so elemental. The age limits defining adulthood are utterly arbitrary. In some countries it's is young as 14. None of these young men were hurt or damaged in any way by their internet conversations with the congressman. They were free agents in the process. To pretend that these young men were some how lured into something or pressured into something or had their "innocence" violated suggests you know nothing of 17 year old young men.I despise Foley's hypocrisy, but I don't condemn his behavior. I don't expect any of you self-righteous, religion damaged morons to get it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 AM on 11/12/2008
- JohnShank I'm a Fan of JohnShank 6 fans permalink

18 is the legal age of consent in the U.S. I don't care if it is 14 in other countries. In other countries they cut people's hands off for stealing. Different doesn't mean equal. It's the law here and if we were talking about 17 year old girls, I think people would be far more outraged. I don't feel sorry for a gay man who tries to seduce underage guys. He needs to get out of the closet he's in and move the hell on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:30 AM on 11/12/2008

In DC the legal age of consent is 16.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:44 AM on 11/12/2008
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Wrong about the age of consent being 18 in the US. Each state sets its own AOC, and it ranges from 14 - 18. Stick to what is true, not simply what you want to be true.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 AM on 11/12/2008

Whatever you might think about setting a legal age, please keep in mind that we DID SET a legal age of consent in this country. It makes ABSOLUTELY NOT ONE BIT of difference that 17-year-olds are having sex anyway. If 17-year-olds are having sex with middle-agers -- or even anyone over the age of consent, the person who's "old enough to know better" has an OBLIGATION to not be dragging the underage person into the realm of seduction and sexual activity.

This is something Foley, in his work with exploited children, should have grasped thoroughly. THOROUGHLY. A pedophile is someone who takes advantage of somebody too young to make a decent judgment about what they should be doing sexually, not just somebody who has sex with a toddler (NOTE: "decent judgment" does NOT mean "my hormones are raging and I'll do it with anything that moves"). We've set 18 years of age as a cut-off point for that ability to make a decision, and actually that seems pretty generous to me.

It's not so much that Foley "can't say" why he did what he did. It's that he doesn't want to face it. And if he isn't facing it, he's still a menace to society. PUT HIM AWAY until he's acceptable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:58 AM on 11/12/2008

In DC the legal age of consent is 16 years old.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 AM on 11/12/2008
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So you think it's OK for sexually precocious teens to be preyed upon by creepy old closet cases?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:04 AM on 11/12/2008
- filo I'm a Fan of filo 78 fans permalink
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He doesn't get it and he probably never will.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 AM on 11/12/2008
- nellie I'm a Fan of nellie 502 fans permalink
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These were 17-year-olds, just months from being men, he insists.

Sounds like what sex offenders do, trying to justify their behavior.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 AM on 11/12/2008

"These were 17-year-olds, just months from being men, he insists."

That statement proves exactly why Foley should have been prosecuted and convicted! He's still a dangerous man if he does not understand what he did. And if he has the adult is still not willing to accept full responsibility, then he needs to stay underground!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:07 AM on 11/12/2008
- zest I'm a Fan of zest 20 fans permalink

Jeez just come out already. Mark the only one that doesn't believe you're gay is you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:05 AM on 11/12/2008
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Another one who didn't read the article. He's out and has a "high-society dermatologist" boyfriend. Please read the article you're commenting about.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 AM on 11/12/2008

If these interns were in a gay bar and saw Foley there without knowing who he was, they wouldn't give him the time of day. It was his position that gave him close contact with them and that is why it is creepy. One reason anyways.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:04 AM on 11/12/2008

Foley is the gift that keepson giving...come back in Oct. of both 2010 and 2012,Mark!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:03 AM on 11/12/2008
- glesslib I'm a Fan of glesslib 24 fans permalink

He " accepts responsibility"...... except the teens were just months from being adults, they never complained, they were enjoying the conversations, a priest molested him (? is that a proven fact?).
Jeez, I can't keep track of all the excuses. He didn't acquit himself well in this interview, just looks more like a cow a rd than before he opened his mouth. I blame the Republican leadership who kept him, even after the complaints.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 AM on 11/12/2008
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