Banks Promise They Won't Use Bailout Money For Pay

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JOHN DUNBAR | November 13, 2008 05:20 PM EST | AP

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WASHINGTON — Some of the nation's largest banks sharing in the $700 billion government bailout of the financial industry tried to assure lawmakers Thursday they are using the money to make more loans and help financially strapped homeowners avoid foreclosure.

Barry L. Zubrow, chief risk officer with JP Morgan Chase & Co., told the Senate Banking Committee that a portion of the $25 billion capital infusion it received from the Treasury Department was being deployed to "expand the flow of credit" and to assist with rewriting residential mortgages for up to 400,000 families.

Zubrow and executives with Goldman Sachs Group Inc., Bank of America Corp. and Wells Fargo & Co. told the committee that none of the $75 billion they have received collectively from the government is being used to pay salaries or bonuses.

"The committee has asked whether (bailout) funds would be spent on executive compensation," said Jon Campbell, regional banking president for Wells Fargo & Co. in his testimony. "The answer is no. Wells Fargo doesn't need the government investment to pay for bonuses or compensation."

Some of the executives said bonuses this year will be lower because of the economic downturn.

"Employee compensation will be dramatically affected by changes in the overall economic and financial environment and our performance for the full year, but it certainly will not increase as a result of receiving TARP (Troubled Asset Relief Program) funds," said Gregory Palm, general counsel for Goldman Sachs.

Bank of America's board has decided that this year's bonus compensation pool will be reduced by more than 50 percent, Anne Finucane, a marketing and corporate affairs executive, told the committee.

Finucane said Bank of America originated more than $50 billion in mortgage loans in the third quarter of 2008 but acknowledged that "we are lending less than we were a year ago."

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Campbell said Wells Fargo's commercial real estate loans are 37 percent above a year ago.

Despite the reassuring words, lawmakers pressed hard for commitments to more lending.

"Let me say as clearly as I can," said committee chairman Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn. "Hoarding capital and acquiring healthy banks are not _ I repeat are not _ reasons why Congress authorized $700 billion in emergency funding."

Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., said he and other lawmakers are looking at requiring banks to make more loans as a condition for taking part in the $350 billion second half of the bailout. Congress can block release of the second $350 billion. It also can rewrite the law to put new conditions on its use.

"Any new capital injections must come with tougher requirements," he said.

Treasury already has lent or committed $290 billion of the first half. Democrats are working on a bill they hope to pass next week that would devote another $25 billion to the beleaguered auto industry, with the specific intent of helping General Motors Corp. avoid bankruptcy.

The banking executives also were questioned about using bailout money to acquire other banks.

Sen. Sherrod Brown, D-Ohio, noted that Cleveland-based National City Bank was denied Treasury funds, only to be taken over by PNC Financial Services Group Inc. of Pittsburgh on the same day that PNC was approved for $7.7 billion in bailout money.

"The taxpayer funds that would have been allocated to National City were instead allotted to PNC," Brown said.

The executives said their banks have no new acquisitions planned beyond the spate of mergers that occurred before Congress passed the bailout bill.

WASHINGTON — Some of the nation's largest banks sharing in the $700 billion government bailout of the financial industry tried to assure lawmakers Thursday they are using the money to make more ...
WASHINGTON — Some of the nation's largest banks sharing in the $700 billion government bailout of the financial industry tried to assure lawmakers Thursday they are using the money to make more ...
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- DMcMillan I'm a Fan of DMcMillan 9 fans permalink
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I have a question: If this really were not an all out robbery of American Taxpayers, from what I understand:

Gov gives money to banks. They use it to make loans. Taxpayers pay back the 3$ trillion. Loan receivers pay for the loans from the banks and pay for bailout as taxpayers. Is this money not being paid back twice? Why can't they make the banks pay it back? In my limited understanding of the details, it sounds like robbing Peter twice to pay Paul. Can someone please explain this to me? Thank you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 AM on 11/14/2008
- Norge I'm a Fan of Norge 22 fans permalink

What happens when people no longer have jobs because those were outsourced to other countries and cheaper labor? Credit, credit, credit eventually has to be paid and to just keep dumping credit into the system is absolutely no solution. It only increases the eventual burden of payment to become much more difficult. People need jobs to have income to pay debts and when there is the absence of jobs the rest is obvious.
Rebuilding the interstructures of cities such as sewage, water, transportation and electrical would provide jobs though again there is the big question, who pays for it?

The massive military budget could be redirected and closure of a larger portion of the 700 military bases arould the world would also provide assets which could be used for rebuilding and providing thousands of jobs for Americans in the rebuilding of much of the interstructure which is in desperate need of upgrading and repair. And so would a large part of the unemployed again be able to pay their debts while at the same time rebuilding their country.

People should burn their credit cards and live within their means. Sorry but it is the only solution in the long term.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:48 AM on 11/14/2008
- Veri I'm a Fan of Veri 18 fans permalink

This is too easy! I love it!

A little example first. I am a corporation. I made, pre-GAAP accounting rules, $1 billion dollars (insert Dr. Evil laugh) in profit last year ripping off customers with something called CDOs. Oh, and I payed 0% taxes because of all the loopholes I can exploit in the tax code. Hell, I haven't paid taxes in five years.

Now, I have a problem called liquidity in my balance sheets. Some government functionary in the pay of high finance decides I need $2 billion dollars. Well, how do I pay myself and my friends, an executive bonus without using "public" monies? It is so easy. I use my corporate cash to pay the bonuses from the corporate account, of course. The $2 billion welfare payment, deposited in another account, goes to "providing liquidity".

I can now say that no public monies were used. Congress, The Treasury, and The Fed, all can demonstrate that I used no public monies. After all, it is accounting.

Everyone knows this. This is why are you reading about all the lavish parties and vacations still be taken by the corporate masters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:00 AM on 11/14/2008
- wolfgangmo I'm a Fan of wolfgangmo 21 fans permalink
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Exactly,

It is a matter of freeing up your money by using OUR money to pay for what YOUR money should.

They don't need bailouts, they need jail time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:08 AM on 11/14/2008
- PT6 I'm a Fan of PT6 25 fans permalink

PAULSON USES TRICKLE DOWN BAILOUTS! - It is WORKING FOR BANKS but NOT PEOPLE!

He switched Bush’s TRICKLE DOWN ECONOMICS to PAULSON TRICKLE DOWN BAILOUTS (TDBO)!

His first TDBO Theory is GIVING $250 BILLION to BANKS would help BAILOUT Homeowners. Instead they used it FOR THEIR MERGERS to FORM SUPER BANKS!

Almost NO Homeowners were HELPED!

His NEW TDBO Theory is GIVING $250 BILLION MORE to BANKS to BAILOUT BAD CREDIT CARD DEBT will help PEOPLE FREE UP CREDIT CARD DEBTS! It will again be used to MAKE SUPER BANKS into MONSTER BANKS!

No help to People in 18% to 25% Credit Card DEBT!

In Short TRICKLE DOWN of any type WILL NOT WORK!

CONGRESS MUST DISMISS PAULSON from the BAILOUT!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:36 AM on 11/14/2008

I've been unemployed for 8 months and can't find a job at 50% of what I was making.

I'm "embarassed" to call Citibank to renegotiate my mortgage!!!!! I'm barely making it and they are going to use my tax money to pay bonuses???? Guess what - I'm going to call and hopefully renegotiate my mortgage. But, my savings account at CITI is going to a bank that is not paying bonuses or dividends. Let's get them where it will hurt. Put your money with the banks that have a conscience.

Don't let the government give anymore bailouts and make any bank that blew their money on bonuses get what they deserve...­withdraw your savings and move them to an honest bank!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 AM on 11/14/2008
- sposton I'm a Fan of sposton 179 fans permalink
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We spent trillions on defending ourselves from different kind of -isms from abroad and we get shafted by our own domestic enemies. Now, what do you call that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:46 AM on 11/14/2008
- vandegrasse I'm a Fan of vandegrasse 195 fans permalink
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Yes, indeed. I alway thought our worst enemies were among us. Corporations that suck us dry and banks that bleed us and politicians that abet this behavior.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:59 AM on 11/14/2008
- kstuff I'm a Fan of kstuff 5 fans permalink

I feel powerless.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:55 PM on 11/13/2008
- vandegrasse I'm a Fan of vandegrasse 195 fans permalink
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Sometimes I do to. But in the end they'll have to answer for all their misdeeds. Even if there is no God they'll end up as food for worms like the rest of us. Money can't help them avoid the inevitable­s..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:01 AM on 11/14/2008
- wolfgangmo I'm a Fan of wolfgangmo 21 fans permalink
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Like sickness, or lack or opportunity, or substandard housing, or stress, or taxes?

Sure it can. [i'm with you on the death thing, but they will have set up their kids and grandkids to live in style while yours decide between food and shelter]

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:10 AM on 11/14/2008
- harriscrl3 I'm a Fan of harriscrl3 191 fans permalink

Do these banks realize that the US government has NO MONEY? Its OUR MONEY taxpayers money that they are using. It boggles the mind that these companines think that they can just go and hold out their hands and the goverment just give them money. THis bailout of wallstreet mess needs to STOP RIGHT NOW. You know like when you feed one stray dog the next day you have 10 stray dogson your doorstep thats what this is like. ENOUGH this is not the goverments money. Its OUR MONEY and I Say NO MORE for Wallstreet!!!

Carol

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 PM on 11/13/2008
- Oregon Ivy I'm a Fan of Oregon Ivy 11 fans permalink

In other news: Vultures promise to go vegetarian.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 PM on 11/13/2008
- Viper I'm a Fan of Viper 261 fans permalink

Thats funny and so true.

They dont get it. The condition s/b no raises and no bonuses until their stock price reaches the 2007 October price.

There is no way to segregate dollars... so that we know what money they are spending or able to spend because of the bailout freeing up other money.

No raises.. there are plenty of banking people willing to work for 2007 salaries now out on the street looking for jobs.

Regard

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 PM on 11/13/2008
- wolfgangmo I'm a Fan of wolfgangmo 21 fans permalink
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Screw that. There are plenty of banking employees willing to work for 1930's salaries.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:12 AM on 11/14/2008

The timidity of Congress to deal with the unfettered influence of the bankers and insurance interests must direct an unbiased American (or other citizen) to conclude that Congressional members are either fearful or obliged to financial interests' unhinged power. Either way, dismantling that power will require more than a small amount of sagaciousness, courage and righteousness to our Constitution.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 PM on 11/13/2008

Banks promising they won't use bailout money for pay is like hiring arsonists to put out the fire.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:04 PM on 11/13/2008
- wolfgangmo I'm a Fan of wolfgangmo 21 fans permalink
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There is a twisted logic here.

They will put out the fire... and then they'll light it again. And then they'll put it out. Boom, Bubble, Bust.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:13 AM on 11/14/2008

And another thing, if anybody saw Paulson on The News Hour this evening, Lehrer kept asking him to explain how the $700 Bil was going to help the average person, and all he could say was that he never promised to help people, just banks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 PM on 11/13/2008
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but, see, having healthy banks helps us all.. Why, I don't know how we managed before them..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:05 PM on 11/13/2008
- OB-GYN I'm a Fan of OB-GYN 46 fans permalink
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What a jerk to say something like that. Must have caught him with his gaurd down.

Nice going, Paulson.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 PM on 11/13/2008
- sposton I'm a Fan of sposton 179 fans permalink
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He's an honest man. He's telling the truth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 AM on 11/14/2008

"Some of the executives said bonuses this year will be lower because of the economic downturn."

Mighty big of 'em, considering how many billions they've pocketed on the way to this fiasco.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 PM on 11/13/2008
- OtayPanky I'm a Fan of OtayPanky 66 fans permalink
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See, we're going to put the bailout money in the LEFT pocket, and pay ourselves those bonuses from some other money in the RIGHT pocket.

So it's not the same money, ok?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 PM on 11/13/2008
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"Some of the executives said bonuses this year will be lower because of the economic downturn."

Some? Lower? LOWER?! What about non-existant?!

I want accountability - so when we learn, next year, that they did use these funds inappropriately, heads ROLL! Oh, that's right, these politicians need people to bankroll their next campaign..­.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:47 PM on 11/13/2008
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