Deficit and jobless claims jump, but stocks soar

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MARTIN CRUTSINGER | November 13, 2008 09:35 PM EST | AP

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Albert Panini, a U.S. Army veteran from Hollis, N.Y., fills out an employment form at the New York State Labor Department job fair for veterans in New York, Thursday Nov. 13 , 2008. More than 150 employers are attending four job fairs across the state, offering approximately 5,500 job opportunities for veteran job seekers and their families. In more grim economic news released Thursday, the number of newly laid-off workers applying for jobless benefits last week hit the highest level since the period right after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. (AP Photo/Bebeto Matthews)

WASHINGTON — The nation's financial picture grew darker Thursday, a day marked by breathtaking numbers: a quarter-trillion-dollar budget deficit for a single month, a half-million new applications for unemployment benefits and a 900-point swing that led Wall Street to its third-biggest point gain ever.

Analysts predicted that the steady drumbeat of gloomy statistics would only get worse in coming months as the country endures what could be the worst downturn since the severe 1981-82 recession.

The initial costs of the government's economic bailout efforts sent the U.S. budget deficit for October soaring to a record $237.2 billion, putting it on track to reach the once-unfathomable sum of $1 trillion for the year.

"And as bad as these numbers are, they may look good a year from now because things are going to get much worse," said Sung Won Sohn, an economist at the Smith School of Business at California State University.

In more grim economic news released Thursday, the number of newly laid-off workers applying for jobless benefits last week hit the highest level since the period right after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

As the economy weakens, the government's fiscal picture was projected to deteriorate, too, with layoffs cutting into tax revenues and forcing higher payouts for programs such as unemployment benefits and food stamps.

Unemployment, which jumped to a 14-year high of 6.5 percent in October, is now projected to climb above 8 percent. Sohn said that will further crimp government tax revenues, which were down 7.5 percent in October compared with a year ago.

The stream of negative news initially sent Wall Street down sharply, with the Dow Jones industrial average briefly dropping below 8,000. The markets later rebounded with a fury, closing up about 550 points.

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Wal-Mart Stores Inc. reported that profits were up 10 percent for the third quarter as its renewed focus on low prices attracted financially squeezed shoppers. But the country's biggest retailer trimmed its outlook because of the troubled global economy.

The Treasury Department said that the $237.2 billion deficit for October, the highest ever recorded for a single month, reflected the $115 billion spent last month to purchase stock in eight of the country's biggest banks, the opening phase in the $700 billion rescue of the financial system passed by Congress on Oct. 3.

It was far bigger than analysts expected, more than four times larger than the October 2007 deficit of $56.8 billion, and more than half the total for all of last year.

The potential $1 trillion deficit reflected not only the massive expenditures from the rescue effort but also an expected second stimulus program and the effect of a steep recession.

The Labor Department reported that the number of new applications for jobless benefits jumped by 32,000 to 516,000 last week. That nearly matched the 517,000 claims reported seven years ago, and it is only the second time since 1992 that claims have topped 500,000.

On Capitol Hill, some of the largest U.S. banks sharing in the $700 billion government bailout tried to assure lawmakers they are using the money to make more loans and help financially strapped homeowners avoid foreclosure.

Executives from JPMorgan Chase, Goldman Sachs Inc., Bank of America and Wells Fargo & Co. told the Senate Banking Committee that none of the $85 billion they have received collectively from the government is being used to pay salaries or bonuses.

In the House, five prominent hedge fund managers told lawmakers they support a new central exchange to open the murky world of some complex investments that are partly blamed for the global financial crisis. But the billionaires offered differing views on the need for stricter regulation of hedge funds themselves.

WASHINGTON — The nation's financial picture grew darker Thursday, a day marked by breathtaking numbers: a quarter-trillion-dollar budget deficit for a single month, a half-million new applicatio...
WASHINGTON — The nation's financial picture grew darker Thursday, a day marked by breathtaking numbers: a quarter-trillion-dollar budget deficit for a single month, a half-million new applicatio...
 
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Let me ask a question: Will BO be able to stop this bailout and revise it to provide some oversight, conditions or will it be too late?

B/c if I see one more AIG spa day or weekend retreat, I'm gonna wanna whoop somebody's AiG arse!! When I see these goofballs on tv, they really piss me off!! You know what? You are skating with my money. Do me a favor and humor me, huh? Act like you appreciate my money you're taking. Geez!! And we wonder how we got into this financial mess?!

I want a condition that none of the money can be used for perks or salary increases! My company is certainly not providing me with one next year!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:02 AM on 11/14/2008

Can't we find some balance?

This cycle of under-regulation leading to a backlash of over-regulation leading to a backlash of under-regulation has got to stop.

Enough already with this libertarian market fundamentalism. Get real!

The so-called free market is made up of the same flawed species (human beings) that run the institutions of government. And, the founding fathers were wise enough to establish checks and balances to prevent power from corrupting government.

Yet, we're supposed to believe that market participants don't need checks and balances to prevent money from corrupting them and the markets?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:51 PM on 11/13/2008
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There was no over-regulation!

You were sold a bill of goods by greedy Republicans who sold you lies. And you bought it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:57 PM on 11/13/2008
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wake up silly Americans, you are being robbed right under your noses.
The Bush admins final mega ripoff before leaving office, and you D U M B A S S E S stand around and let it happen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:14 PM on 11/13/2008

Indeed.

While right-wing idiots continue to decry Obama's "socialism," Bush & Co. aren't yet finished transferring wealth from Main Street to Wall Street. They're going to suck the average hard-working American as dry as possible before they get out of Dodge, you can be sure of that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:47 PM on 11/13/2008

They will never blame Bush. They see him as some kind of a God to be worshipped.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:15 PM on 11/13/2008
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Dubai will be about right for them. Maybe Saudi Arabia. You know Saudi Arabia? The largest financial supporter of terrorism world-wide.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:04 AM on 11/14/2008

The only thing that government appears to think of to be able to do ... is to print billions of dollars in cash (literally from-nowhere) and dump it onto balance sheets.

That might fix a balance-sheet. But that is not the problem.

You have to have trade. And in addition to that, you have to have real domestic production.

However... to have any of these things, you also have to have Honesty. No one is going to put a major capital investment on the table in the presence of High Crime on the part of the regulators and civil officers who are supposed to be patrolling the business world.

America sold trillions of dollars' worth of securities that it knew perfectly well were worthless. Even today, members of Congress and key officers in various agencies are quite-purposefully STILL seeking to use their powers for illegitimate gain, deceit, and fraud.

And basically, the economic conference that is going on right now isn't really going to be about how to "tweak" the economic dominance of America, but rather, how to replace it.

It shouldn't be this way, but hey: "impeachment is off the table," right? In other words, "even the supreme law of this land will not be enforced."

Duly ... noted.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:05 PM on 11/13/2008
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Replace America is about right. Ever been to The Ukraine? Corruption is rampant and fathers and brothers pimp their daughters and sisters to have enough cash to eat. The future of America if the economic disaster keeps up.

While most Americans where enjoying the faux-boom 1990's, you blinded yourselves to the inevitable consequences of Wall Street excess. You pay, your financial masters keep on looting and using you as prostitutes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:08 AM on 11/14/2008

i say give everyone in america 100 grand each.watch the economy pop

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:55 PM on 11/13/2008
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OMG, I'm soooo late to this one. Hey, spinns17, been spinning around too much? Too dizzy? 300,000,000 multiplied by 100,000 = 30,000,000,000,000. Where do you suppose that we borrow 30 TRILLION dollars from? China? Japan? Germany? Russia? Zimbabwe (they print large bills LOL)? I'm curious. I hope you are not serious.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:57 PM on 11/17/2008
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BANKS taking DOLE-OUTS or WELFARE PAYMENTS need to Tighten their white colar BELTS!

Why NO RESPONSE TO WHAT was done with $2 to $3 Trillion in Bailouts?

Why NO OVERSITE COMMITTEE after one MONTH? That should have been done FIRST and it should be EXPERTS and NO BANK Representatives!

We have tried trusting these EX-Investment Banks and Banks so we should not simply believe they will not pay bonuses.

In that testimony they said they are still making profits! So WHY is the Bailout going to them?

They also say they will use profits to PAY DIVIDENDS - investors should not expect dividends from a company taking DOLE-OUTS or WELFARE PAYMENTS!

WHY should we trust these BANKS since CASH IS CASH IS CASH! They can use cash to pay dividends and that can be taxpayer CASH! SO STOP!

Why are THEY NOT helping apply reduced FIXED interest rates and reduced Principals to help HOMEOWNERS in MASS?

The reason is GREED, they want to make PROFITS while the greater Economy TANKS!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:51 PM on 11/13/2008

They don't give a damn about the country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:16 PM on 11/13/2008
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Money does not give a damn about any country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:09 AM on 11/14/2008

Bail out the unemployed first, Congress! You should have done this 7 weeks ago.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:44 PM on 11/13/2008
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Unemployment is causing even more problems in HOUSING!

With about 50,000 families losing their homes each week the BANKS should be increasing the Mortgage Refinancing by substantially more than this amount!

We can not afford "FOOT DRAGGING" as each day this CRISIS GROWS.

BANKS and Paulson need to put "BOTH FEET" on the ACCELERATOR to catch up with this CRISIS!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:53 PM on 11/13/2008

REMEMBER YES WE CAN.after he takes office im going to go on a spending spree.to help jump start the economy.lol

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:31 PM on 11/13/2008

what scares me is will Barack have an economy to take over?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:25 PM on 11/13/2008
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No. That's the Bush doctrine. To empty the Treasury and leave nothing but IOUs which will prevent O and Dems from doing anything to help out the people of the US. Bush should be hounded wherever he goes. Paulson, too. Dems need to be hounded, too, for not tying the release of the money to meaningful oversight.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:32 PM on 11/13/2008

NO DIVIDENDS AND NO BONUSES UNTIL THE TREASURY GETS OUR MONEY BACK!

Simple and easy to enforce. Shareholders should scream to the Board. Executives will be forced to fish or cut bait on profitability.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:18 PM on 11/13/2008
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People on both sides of the aisle fell all over themselves to ram this faulty legislation through, but Pelosi, Reid, Frank and the rest of the new democrat "power" structure in Washington are most responsible.

Duped again or just incompetent?

Either way it's epic fail for these boobs as well as the ones in the executive branch.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:08 PM on 11/13/2008
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Wait a minute. This was a bill project pushed by Bush and Paulson. I fail to see how you get the idea that this is a Pelosi, Frank, Reid project.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:29 PM on 11/13/2008
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Well, there's your problem!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:11 PM on 11/13/2008
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Bush and Paulson pushed a 2 page document that said "Give Paulson $700 billion, no strings attached."

Pelosi, Reid, Frank, said "We'll give you $840 billion with strings." They neglected to tie the release of the money to oversight."

Paulson has spent 1/3rd of the money as he intended, with no oversight, and with no oversight in sight.

This is now the Dems blunder, and they're about to make it worse with more bailouts, and still no oversight. It requires an appointment by Bush and a confirmation by the Senate. That was to be done 6 weeks ago, but it never happened.

Paulson's gone rogue. He can't shovel the money out of the Treasury fast enough to the Republicans' cronies. Lay-offs today mean more foreclosures tomorrow. The economy is circling the drain, hovering over Great Depression territory. Bush has, for all intents and purposes, checked out of office, but Obama can't get into it before 1/20/09. Looking at who he's bringing to his administration (the same middle-aged white men and women who are part of the Washington insiders' clique), it's not likely look like the 'Change' that Americans thought they were voting for.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:54 PM on 11/13/2008
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See below

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 AM on 11/14/2008

take the 700 billion. divide that by the number of taxpaying citizens in the country (around 140 million, i think??) .
that number would be somewhere between $4000 and $5000, if so
write every taxpaying citizen a check for $4000. after all, it is our money, right ???

That would yield better results than the "bailing out the rich". people could catch up on their mortgages, reduce credit card debt, or just spend the money. all those things would have a huge impact on the economy, and it would be going straight to the bloodstream and would be completely transparent.

it would also be easier to oversee the procedure. but no, we have to keep eating s#it while AIG execs dine on caviar THAT WE ARE BUYING FOR THEM !!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:51 PM on 11/13/2008
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Pipe dreams, YOU! The way it stands now, this bailout is more profitable for you masters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:11 AM on 11/14/2008

C'mon when Pelosi screached "we need this" and said that congress would over see it, that was our tip it was a SHAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:41 PM on 11/13/2008
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Look what they're doing with taxpayer money -

ABC Catches AIG Executives Hosting Another Posh "Junket" At Luxury Hotel

Last month, a House committee discovered that just one week after the federal government bailed out insurance giant AIG, company executives went on $500,000 retreat to a luxury resort. Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-MD) asked in astonishment, "Have you heard of anything more outrageous?"

But yesterday, just as the federal government agreed to increase its bailout package to AIG, ABC News"s Brian Ross reported that the company"s executives gathered last week at a posh resort in Phoenix for a business conference, complete with "cocktail parties, limousines, and dinner out at a top restaurant." AIG "instructed the hotel to keep its involvement secret, no signs with its name allowed." Watch the report:

AIG CEO Edward Liddy defended the extravagant conference on CNN last night, claiming that the lack of signage was a result of cost cutting measures. "[W]e are really cutting corners. We"re doing the same thing the American taxpayer is doing," Liddy said. "We are tightening our belts. We didn"t use any signage."

Cummings has now called on Liddy to resign. "That a firm already reliant on taxpayers" funding would organize such an event is outrageous," Cummings said.

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/11/12/ross-aig-junket/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:21 PM on 11/13/2008
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"[W]e are really cutting corners. We"re doing the same thing the American taxpayer is doing," Liddy said." So, they are not American taxpayers? They have found a way to plunder and pay nothing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:34 PM on 11/13/2008
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I'm in the wrong business. It seems all the money is in 'signage'.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:56 PM on 11/13/2008

A higher authority will get them in the end.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:17 PM on 11/13/2008
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Rubes! They are using corporate accounts to pay for this. The welfare money is still in the welfare account. So, no "public" monies have been spent on the posh junkets. Jesus. Learn accounting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:13 AM on 11/14/2008

Th!e ves and l! ars. Why are they still in power? Wake up America!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 PM on 11/13/2008
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