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MARTIN CRUTSINGER | November 13, 2008 09:35 PM EST | AP

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Albert Panini, a U.S. Army veteran from Hollis, N.Y., fills out an employment form at the New York State Labor Department job fair for veterans in New York, Thursday Nov. 13 , 2008. More than 150 employers are attending four job fairs across the state, offering approximately 5,500 job opportunities for veteran job seekers and their families. In more grim economic news released Thursday, the number of newly laid-off workers applying for jobless benefits last week hit the highest level since the period right after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. (AP Photo/Bebeto Matthews)

WASHINGTON — The nation's financial picture grew darker Thursday, a day marked by breathtaking numbers: a quarter-trillion-dollar budget deficit for a single month, a half-million new applications for unemployment benefits and a 900-point swing that led Wall Street to its third-biggest point gain ever.

Analysts predicted that the steady drumbeat of gloomy statistics would only get worse in coming months as the country endures what could be the worst downturn since the severe 1981-82 recession.

The initial costs of the government's economic bailout efforts sent the U.S. budget deficit for October soaring to a record $237.2 billion, putting it on track to reach the once-unfathomable sum of $1 trillion for the year.

"And as bad as these numbers are, they may look good a year from now because things are going to get much worse," said Sung Won Sohn, an economist at the Smith School of Business at California State University.

In more grim economic news released Thursday, the number of newly laid-off workers applying for jobless benefits last week hit the highest level since the period right after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

As the economy weakens, the government's fiscal picture was projected to deteriorate, too, with layoffs cutting into tax revenues and forcing higher payouts for programs such as unemployment benefits and food stamps.

Unemployment, which jumped to a 14-year high of 6.5 percent in October, is now projected to climb above 8 percent. Sohn said that will further crimp government tax revenues, which were down 7.5 percent in October compared with a year ago.

The stream of negative news initially sent Wall Street down sharply, with the Dow Jones industrial average briefly dropping below 8,000. The markets later rebounded with a fury, closing up about 550 points.

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Wal-Mart Stores Inc. reported that profits were up 10 percent for the third quarter as its renewed focus on low prices attracted financially squeezed shoppers. But the country's biggest retailer trimmed its outlook because of the troubled global economy.

The Treasury Department said that the $237.2 billion deficit for October, the highest ever recorded for a single month, reflected the $115 billion spent last month to purchase stock in eight of the country's biggest banks, the opening phase in the $700 billion rescue of the financial system passed by Congress on Oct. 3.

It was far bigger than analysts expected, more than four times larger than the October 2007 deficit of $56.8 billion, and more than half the total for all of last year.

The potential $1 trillion deficit reflected not only the massive expenditures from the rescue effort but also an expected second stimulus program and the effect of a steep recession.

The Labor Department reported that the number of new applications for jobless benefits jumped by 32,000 to 516,000 last week. That nearly matched the 517,000 claims reported seven years ago, and it is only the second time since 1992 that claims have topped 500,000.

On Capitol Hill, some of the largest U.S. banks sharing in the $700 billion government bailout tried to assure lawmakers they are using the money to make more loans and help financially strapped homeowners avoid foreclosure.

Executives from JPMorgan Chase, Goldman Sachs Inc., Bank of America and Wells Fargo & Co. told the Senate Banking Committee that none of the $85 billion they have received collectively from the government is being used to pay salaries or bonuses.

In the House, five prominent hedge fund managers told lawmakers they support a new central exchange to open the murky world of some complex investments that are partly blamed for the global financial crisis. But the billionaires offered differing views on the need for stricter regulation of hedge funds themselves.

WASHINGTON — The nation's financial picture grew darker Thursday, a day marked by breathtaking numbers: a quarter-trillion-dollar budget deficit for a single month, a half-million new applicatio...
WASHINGTON — The nation's financial picture grew darker Thursday, a day marked by breathtaking numbers: a quarter-trillion-dollar budget deficit for a single month, a half-million new applicatio...
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- dmsdzinr I'm a Fan of dmsdzinr 19 fans permalink

I have ABSOLUTELY NO FAITH in these THIEVES!!! They are NOT working in the interest of the Average American taxpayer at all!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:42 PM on 11/13/2008
- vandegrasse I'm a Fan of vandegrasse 195 fans permalink
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I have absolutely no faith in the government. I wis the Founding Fathers would rise up and bitcslap these muthas out of office!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:16 PM on 11/13/2008
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what did they expect from paulson?? this is the guy who gave us a three page bailout plan that included this :

Sec. 8. Review.

Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency

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a sure sign that he and his actions need to be watched very closely.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:06 PM on 11/13/2008
- darthdarcy I'm a Fan of darthdarcy 48 fans permalink
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Paulson never learned that, the purpose of government is to serve the people, he's there to serve the financial sector only, his myopia will be our downfall..­!

Simple as that...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:49 PM on 11/13/2008

$700 billion COULD have produced 7 million jobs at an average wage of $25 k for 2 years and left around $350 billion for materials for infrastructure improvement. But no, bailing out insolvent banks and bonus checks for the ones who bankrupted them.... logic? Where art thou?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:30 PM on 11/13/2008

People aren't listening ... when words like "consumer confidence" and "credit crisis" start being bandied about it should be a wake up call that all this flow of worthless paper is about to end. The central banks are trying to shore up credit when its credit and the idea of credit and tieing the dollar to imaginary etherial concepts like productivity.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 AM on 11/13/2008

The central banks are trying to shore up credit when its credit and the idea of credit and tieing the dollar to imaginary etherial concepts like productivity that's the problem.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:48 AM on 11/14/2008
- JJeff88 I'm a Fan of JJeff88 22 fans permalink

It's becoming pretty apparent that (a) Paulson doesn't have a clear picture of what will work and (b) things look pretty shaky concerning implementation and execution and, therefore, (c) Congress had better keep him on a tight leash.

The appropriate reaction by Congress to Paulson's sudden change in course should be to march his butt back up before the proper oversight committee to explain why he's doing what he's doing.

If it turns out Paulson is grasping at straws, some consideration should be made about the potential negative reaction by the markets to the lack of predictability that's an outgrowth of Mr, Paulson's "flexibili­ty."

Meanwhile, jobs keep disappearing and 401k's continue to shrink...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 AM on 11/13/2008

So true. Make that leash two inches, strap him to Ralph Nader! Yeah, I like that idea!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 PM on 11/13/2008

Oh, change that leash to handcuffs, yeah... better.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:16 PM on 11/13/2008

Re "Instead, Paulson said the administration will proceed with an alternative plan to spend $250 billion to buy stock in the banks as a way of bolstering their financial situation and accomplishing the same goal _ getting the institutions to return to more normal lending."

Fercissakes! Isn't that what a lot of us advocated from the get-go?

Now, when do the taxpayers get a "mulligan" on Paulson's reopening of the $120B bank merger loophole?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:09 AM on 11/13/2008
- ohyes I'm a Fan of ohyes 7 fans permalink

Invertigate, Charge and put in Jail anyone that has misused or stolen any of bail-out tax payer's money.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 AM on 11/13/2008
- LRM216 I'm a Fan of LRM216 4 fans permalink
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And perhaps they can start with Paulson??? What the heck is this man doing - does HE even know?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:25 PM on 11/13/2008
- JBS I'm a Fan of JBS 17 fans permalink
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Nah ... just disappear 'em into Gitmo & keep waterboardin' 'em until they cough up the money they stole. ALL the money; all the way back to 1980.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 PM on 11/13/2008

Hearings? Let the fake indignation fly. We got us a hoedown.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:32 AM on 11/13/2008
- rbspickles I'm a Fan of rbspickles 9 fans permalink

Repeal the bailout of Wall Street, divert that money to roads, bridges, schools. Fire Blackwater and Haliburton and put that money back into the military where it should be. Simple, real and it's a good start.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 AM on 11/13/2008

Congress needs to go into the White House and shut it down - tell Bush, Paulson and Bernanke to go home. Don't let them have another penny! Put the whole damn thing on hold untill someone with half a brain has control of this.

As for the auto makers - sell GM to Toyota, sell Ford to Honda and sell Chrysler to Nissan - problem solved! They have the foresight, knowledge, business sense and managment skills to run an auto company.

End of story.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:21 AM on 11/13/2008
- TLV I'm a Fan of TLV 118 fans permalink

I feel the same way. Why is Congress not stopping this man from directing a wholesale theft of our treasury?

Bush cannot do ANYTHING right! He has proven that time and again. Remove his as% from this country immediately and put Obama and Reid and Pelosi in charge!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 AM on 11/13/2008

You had me at hello.

But Reid and Pelosi have allowed this to continue two years too many. They're part of the problem.

Still nine weeks to impeach.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:11 AM on 11/13/2008
- LRM216 I'm a Fan of LRM216 4 fans permalink
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Reid and Pelosi??? Oh Gawd - please - put them on the same train out as Bush.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:28 PM on 11/13/2008
- Hawka I'm a Fan of Hawka 9 fans permalink

That's all and good but do they have the resources to even buy and absorb the bulk of the other auto-makers? I'm hearing some pretty bad losses all across the board throughout the auto-industry, though of course GM, Chrysler, and Ford are in the worst shape.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 AM on 11/13/2008
- LRM216 I'm a Fan of LRM216 4 fans permalink
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Where was your name when I voted? I nominate you to replace Paulson at the very least.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 PM on 11/13/2008

The time to hold hearings to find out who is responsible is a waste of time right now. They need to be working on a solution not pointing fingers. Weren't there any stipulations on how this money should be used? So we give all this money to the banks and they just sit on it, doesn't sound like a good plan to me. I think most anybody could have come up with a better plan.

Bush has taken us for another ride and we bought into it hook, line, and sinker. Now there will be no relief for homeowners, no relief from credit card debt. The citizens try to do the right think and get screwed again. How much more debt can we take on? The government keeps telling us to spend. Spend what?

I say cut 'em off. If America is based on a free market, then set it free. These companies are responsible for the mess they find themselves in...let them dig they way out or get out of the way and let other companies take their place. AIG doesn't deserve a dime. So far it seems like they keep taking out money and instead of fixing anything, they just keep partying onward.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:03 AM on 11/13/2008
- cavegal I'm a Fan of cavegal 216 fans permalink
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The biggest part of the problem is not that the bailout occurred but the fact that literally no regulations were attached to the plan. Look at the difference between the US bailout and the British bailout:

From
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/24012700/the_new_trough

"It didn't have to be this way. Five days before Paulson struck his deal with the banks, British Prime Minister Gordon Brown negotiated a similar bailout — only he extracted meaningful guarantees for taxpayers: voting rights at the banks, seats on their boards, 12 percent in annual dividend payments to the government, a suspension of dividend payments to shareholders, restrictions on executive bonuses, and a legal requirement that the banks lend money to homeowners and small businesses.

In sharp contrast, this is what U.S. taxpayers received: no controlling interest, no voting rights, no seats on the bank boards and just five percent in dividend payouts to the government, while shareholders continue to collect billions in dividends every quarter. What's more, golden parachutes and bonuses already promised by the banks will still be paid out to executives — all before taxpayers are paid back."

I highly encourage people to read the full Rolling Stone article. Congress is as much to blame as Paulson.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 PM on 11/13/2008
- JBS I'm a Fan of JBS 17 fans permalink
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No, the biggest problem is CONgress didn't learn anything from the last 5 times the kleptocracy took us for a ride.

CONgress doesn't represent the people who elected them, it represents the lobbyists who paid 'em off most recently.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 PM on 11/13/2008
- SoCalM I'm a Fan of SoCalM 2 fans permalink

Is anyone surprised by this latest revelation? Does anyone think Paulson really "knows" how to fix this? Anyone care to guess who gets the money: exorbitant salaries, outrageous bonuses and continued employment for the thieves who got us into this mess or people getting tossed out of their homes?

Can anybody really say that this system, like all the rest, isn't being "gamed" for the benefit of the uber-rich?

January 20th can't come soon enough.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 AM on 11/13/2008

PAULSON HASN'T A CLUE!
WHY WOULD ANYONE START HANDING OUT THAT MUCH MONEY WITHOUT OVERSIGHT?
I'M SCREAMING - IT'S MY MONEY - THEY TAKE BONUSES AND I HAVE TO CANCEL ANY VACATION PLANS I MIGHT HAVE HAD!
MAKES ME SICK.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:53 AM on 11/13/2008
- fredamae I'm a Fan of fredamae 34 fans permalink

We need to contact our US reps and Senators, Immediately and "scream" at them, ASAP.
They Still work for us, in spite of the Fact They don't believe that.
Its going to continue with the lame excuses, snow jobs and BS unless and until We call B*S*

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 AM on 11/13/2008
- JBS I'm a Fan of JBS 17 fans permalink
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Paulson knows EXACTLY what he's doing. He just doesn't want YOU to find out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 PM on 11/13/2008

Thank you. When seeming incompetence and sleazy ethical behavior compound, it is not an accident. These guys have a goal but not to help America. Just their circle of pals. That 700B could have started at the homeowner level and possibly more effective toward righting this horribly teetering economy.

Paulson Bernake and the Others? We have some trust issues here, fellas. Are you capable of doing the right thing or are you stuck in your tunnel vision and circle of sycophants? i would ask Bush the same thing but he's leaving.

Wastefulness has made us insolvent.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 PM on 11/13/2008
- JBS I'm a Fan of JBS 17 fans permalink
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Yeah, the Democrats are going to hold hearings ... and by the time Obama takes office, there won't be enough money left in the United States Treasury to buy him a coffee at McDonalds ... who will, by then, be in line for THEIR bailout.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:41 AM on 11/13/2008
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