Democrats Telegraphing Upcoming Automaker Bailout?

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JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS | November 13, 2008 11:02 PM EST | AP

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Senate Banking Committee Chairman Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., asks a question of a witness during a hearing on the financial meltdown, Thursday, Nov. 13, 2008, on Capitol Hill in Washington. (AP Photo/Susan Walsh)

WASHINGTON — The auto industry and business groups mounted a lobbying onslaught Thursday to thwart GOP opposition to a Senate vote next week on Democrats' plan for a $25 billion emergency loan plan for U.S. carmakers.

Senior Democrats are drafting legislation that would carve out part of the $700 billion Wall Street bailout for loans to the three major U.S. auto companies in exchange for a government ownership stake in the companies.

They hope to push the measure through during a postelection session of Congress that begins Monday. General Motors Corp., Ford Motor Co. and Chrysler LLC are lobbying feverishly for Congress to approve the aid, citing an economic downturn that has choked off sales and frozen credit.

But the idea is running into resistance from Republicans and President George W. Bush, who are reluctant to back any additional money for the struggling industry. House GOP leader John Boehner of Ohio issued a statement Thursday promising to oppose any new auto industry loans.

"Spending billions of additional federal tax dollars with no promises to reform the root causes crippling automakers' competitiveness around the world is neither fair to taxpayers nor sound fiscal policy," Boehner said.

Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky _ home to a General Motors and two Ford plants _ has been noncommittal about new aid. His office says Congress should instead speed release of $25 billion in loans approved by Congress last month to help automakers develop more fuel-efficient vehicles.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., has yet to schedule a legislative session to consider the new loans as Democrats keep hunting for the votes to pass it.

"Right now, I don't think there are the votes," said Sen. Chris Dodd, D-Conn., chairman of the Senate Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs Committee. While supporting the proposal, Dodd cautioned against "bringing up a proposition that might fail." He suggested that Congress wait until President-elect Barack Obama is sworn in on Jan. 20 to provide further help to the carmakers.

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Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., rejected that idea. His office said he would press forward with a still-unwritten measure next week.

"While we continue to work out the best way forward, we expect the Senate to consider legislation during next week's lame-duck session," said Reid's spokesman, Jim Manley. "But we cannot do it without the support of Senate Republicans."

With feelings still raw from the election and the public outraged about the Wall Street rescue, the auto proposal remains a tough sell. Some Senate Republicans have expressed skepticism that the aid would lead to changes for the companies that could make them viable in the long run.

Still, supporters of the auto bailout hope they can snag 12 to 15 Republicans to join with Democrats in pushing it through. They are targeting lawmakers who represent states with auto plants and auto suppliers, as well as Republicans in states with high unemployment rates.

Sen. Carl M. Levin, D-Mich., an architect of the carmaker aid, said he was "confident that there will be bipartisan support for legislation to support the U.S. auto industry."

Republican Sen. George V. Voinovich of Ohio pledged has pledged his support. "Helping the automakers remain viable is truly putting Main Street over Wall Street," Voinovich said through a spokesman.

Sen. Kit Bond of Missouri, R-Mo., left open the possibility that he could be persuaded to back a carmaker rescue. "While I have real concerns with another taxpayer funded bailout, there are also thousands of workers in Missouri whose jobs are on the line so the devil will be in the details," Bond said in a statement.

Auto dealers, who have major political clout because their operations are spread across every congressional district, are preparing a major lobbying effort, as well as asking for additional help from Congress, such as new tax breaks for buying cars.

"We've put them on a high state of readiness," said Andy Koblenz, an executive at the National Automobile Dealers Association, said of the car retailers. "We're expecting to activate that network within the next few days."

Auto suppliers that employ about 800,000 workers _ with a big presence in states including Michigan, Missouri, Indiana, Kentucky and Tennessee _ say they should get a piece of any new emergency loan package.

The legislation could set up a showdown during the president's final days in office. Bush is open to helping the industry, the White House says, but the administration has expressed reservations about doling out more federal dollars to help the auto industry, or using the bailout money to do so.

The bill Democrats are writing would insert the government squarely into the car companies' operations. It would require that the companies submit a plan for long-term viability in exchange for the loans, share a portion of future profits with the government and reimburse taxpayers before any other shareholder, according to aides familiar with it.

"We certainly want to make sure that there's a plan how are you going to get out of this mess," said Sen. Charles E. Schumer, D-N.Y.

The car companies also would face tougher restrictions on awarding pay packages to executives and dividends to their shareholders than the financial companies that get a piece of the original bailout.

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Associated Press writers Ken Thomas and Sam Hananel contributed to this report.

(This version CORRECTS the name of the auto dealers group to National Automobile Dealers Association, not National Auto Dealers Association.)

WASHINGTON — The auto industry and business groups mounted a lobbying onslaught Thursday to thwart GOP opposition to a Senate vote next week on Democrats' plan for a $25 billion emergency loan p...
WASHINGTON — The auto industry and business groups mounted a lobbying onslaught Thursday to thwart GOP opposition to a Senate vote next week on Democrats' plan for a $25 billion emergency loan p...
 
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Me and a co-worker were talking about a "bailout" for the Big Three. His stance was similar to the senator from Alabama, Richard Shelby. Shelby asked the Big Three CEOs, "Why should we believe your firms are capable of restructuring now when you weren"t able to do it under more begin conditions?" Now, I am not sure if CNN Money got the quote wrong or if the senator from Alabama continues to be as inarticulate and as embarrassing as usual. However, after reflection, we quickly determined three members of his immediate family could lose their jobs if the American automakers failed. The problem is that my friend didn"t understand that government had been doling out money to the foreign auto industry for years.

I tried to find a quick and dirty amount of money we had spent attracting foreign carmakers to the United States. If you consider Industry Week"s average incentive of about $100,000.00 per job and multiply it by the Federal Trade Commission"s estimate of 35,000 jobs, you quickly get to about three and a half billion dollars.

So, Senator Shelby, if you want to make points with your right-wing free market worshiping constituents, be a hypocrite. Remember you helped spend 300 million on one foreign plant in Alabama at a cost of $150,000.00 per job. Spending 35 billion on 240,000 American auto maker jobs totals about $145,000 per job. My right-wing buddy has even decided to give it another look.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:16 PM on 12/05/2008
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For one maybe we could force GM to resurrect the EV1 program. They had a working model and some would say pressure from Big Oil got them to stop.

There are quite a few electric car companies out there. How about if the government makes some kind of a deal with the Big 3 to get the cars that are ready, mass produced. There are a lot of car plants in mothballs. It should not take long to retool a few factories and it would put a lot of people back to work in not only the auto plants but also all the feeder plants.

I know, crash tests and some kind of standard plug in for all cars but this is the kind of thing the government can mandate. Just make it more reasonable than cell phone chargers. Why does every phone use a completely different charger? Just so I have to buy them each time?

The government should also offer tax incentives to consumers to buy these new cars. I can see it now, instead of Liberty Ships, it will be Liberty Cars!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 AM on 11/14/2008

The EV1 is never coming back, build a bridge and get over it.

Isn't Tesla Motors in financial trouble? They're laying off people, and they had to get a $40 million loan because they only had $9 million in the bank.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 AM on 11/15/2008

Interesting...GM, Ford, and Chrysler have been failing for 20 years. The only vehicles that they are able to make profitably are gas guzzling SUV's and Trucks that get a whopping 18-19 miles to the gallon ON THE HIGHWAY! Two weeks before the gas crises GM Chairman Waggnor was bitching to Congress about the CAFE standards being raised to a level that is 80% of WHAT FOREIGN CARS Already Deliver! This kind of management and marketing moxie is exactly why the imports are now taking total control of the US car market! Anyone think that after 20 years of sleeping at the marketing/manufacturing switch they can turn it around in 60-90 days!? Do you for a second see Toyota asking for bailout money,( and don't forget they make their US cars in the US!)? They deserve to go under and re-organize with management that has enough on the ball to develop electric cars instead of taking the one's that they do develop andcrushing then burying them in the Arizona desert!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:57 AM on 11/14/2008

It will be interesting to find out if the "bailout" will even save one job. Yesterday I learned to my surprise Paulson has changed the rules for the 700 billion wall street bailout as buying up the "bad mortgages" wasn't working. It looks like a few people are throwing the dice and hope to get lucky.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:29 AM on 11/14/2008
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They are going to spend the money, thats not even up for discussion (thanks for the suggestions about bicycles and light rails kids, duly noted) But why not go all in? nationalize. Oh make it "temporary" if you want but it would give the New administration the authority it needs to persue energy independance and allow them to keep watch on the shop.Plus, it would go along way to putting free market fundamentalists out of the picture, maybe for good.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:28 AM on 11/14/2008

We must not as a nation forget the role the high cost of our dependence on foreign fuel played in the demise of our automakers. The exorbitant cost of gas the past year has done serious damage to our economy and society. We need to take lessons from our mistakes.WE also need to get out from under the grip our dependence on fore gin oil has on us. Why not take some of these billions and invest in America becoming energy independent. Driving an electric car would cost the equivalent of 60 cents a gallon. The electricity could be generated by solar or wind power. Green technology would create millions of badly needed new jobs. What America needs is a green revolution. It is time for us to move forward with alternative energy. I just read Jeff Wilson's new book The Manhattan Project of 2009. I highly recommend this book to anyone who is concerned about the downward spiral of our economy and it's effect on our society and would like to see our country become energy independent!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:19 PM on 11/13/2008

I don't know what the answer is. I don't approve a bailout, but my cousin told me that 1 in 10 jobs in the U.S. is related to the auto industry. Can't they file Chapter 11?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:13 PM on 11/13/2008
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Why prop up a dying business? Giving them bail-out money will not encourage people to buy poorly made automobiles. Propping them up will only put off the enviable for just a few years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:37 PM on 11/13/2008

3 million direct jobs. 20 million indirect jobs. Thats 23 million more forclosures... No proprty taxes on plants and reduced on those houses.. more jobs gone. Thats defaulted bonds that are in pension plans.

If the auto induistry goes, Obam's Presidenyc fails.

We bought foriegn cars that cost twice as much as in Japan.. in their protected market.and sold here for a loss or no profit.. Would you pay 45K for a Celica or a Prius in japan?

Our auto makers made mistakes. But they are the only ones paying for employee healthcare and in an unprotected market without a national strategy to increase MFG..

And by the way Nissan and Mazda had problems a few years ago... and Toyota has piles fo debt.


The cost of not saving them will be 200 times greater than the cost of saving them.

GM/Ford go and our trade deficits soars even more and the dollar goes down more.


Regards

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:48 PM on 11/13/2008

no body is saying teh company fails. we want the capital structure in the company to fail. meaning we want GM to enter bankruptacy, revoke union contracts, shed health liabilities on US govt and re emerge from bankruptacy.

Airlines do it all the time. why cant automakers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 AM on 11/14/2008

Seems like sentiment is to let them fail. Good to see it happen on Bush's watch then. Thanks for the memories.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:12 PM on 11/13/2008

It's simple, no one needs any more bailouts. Why don't they Dems look into our rail lines? Most of the public doesn't want the automakers bailed out. We're the taxpayers, enough said.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:02 PM on 11/13/2008

Obviously it depends on the structure implemented in a bailout. You cannot repeat the mess that has been made of bailouts so far, like AIG etc.

BAILOUTS ARE COMPLEX BEASTS, but one should be implemented to save the U.S. Auto Industry.

Here is a workable plan with common sense for the U.S. Auto Industry -

http://pacificgatepost.blogspot.com/2008/11/solution-for-detroit-gm-friends.html

Do not leave it to Paulson or Congress to come up with a creative plan or consider taxpayers' interests.

There is much creative talent hidden inside the U.S. Big 3 that has been smothered by mismanagement and the UAW. There are also many suppliers that support Toyota, Honda, etc., besides GM and FORD.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:54 PM on 11/13/2008

Put the partisan BS aside . . .

These bailouts are absolute garbage and they aren't going to stop with this Congress running the show. They will just give money away and then call people in to bitch at them after the fact.

Next time, try bringing them forward before giving them the cash.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:35 PM on 11/13/2008

When did Paulson become king? I guess when Congress gave him (and thus Bush) another blank-check?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:07 PM on 11/13/2008

When all the Ds and all the Rs banded together to make him such.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:45 PM on 11/13/2008

He's from Goldman Sachs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:12 PM on 11/13/2008
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As much as we all like Gov Granholm, she is wrong to say this is mostly due to the Financial Crisis!

The BIG 3 Auto makers have not MOVED FAST ENOUGH TO HIGH MPG CARS and that is a MAJOR reason for this crisis also!

They can make many more HYBRID cars within a YEAR if required to do so!

For those who do not know Hybrids do not require any charging and generate electricity as you drive!

Toyota has a car that uses SOLAR CELLS to run the air conditioner and reduces fuel needs!

Toyota Camry Hybrid gets 40 MPG if you try, and 33 if you don't!

Plug in Electric can be part of a BIG 3 Hybrid that gets 60 MPG within two years!

In the first year, while develop new technologies, the Big 3 can simply make high mileage smaller cars and liquidate the Gas Guzzler inventory!

For a Auto Company to get help require:

1. Reduce all White Collar Salaries by 30%
2. Reduce Union Worker pay by 15%
3. Replace Management with those having Detailed Knowledge of Hybrid Technology!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:06 PM on 11/13/2008

My wife drives a Mercury Mariner HYBRID SUV (made in KANSAS) ... it gets 36 MPG (all the time ... city, hwy, whatever) which is BETTER than ANY SUV made ANYWHERE and can haul a load of gear.

American workers are the best in the world, including line workers up to the design engineers ... it's the EXECUTIVES that are third rate, and ANY bailout should remove these execs. Also any and ALL politicians who protected Detroit from higher CAFE standards over the years must also take their share of the blame. And that includes both Republicans AND Democrats.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:29 PM on 11/13/2008
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That is GOOD TO KNOW! That is the kind of vehicle they must produce more!

Phase out the old GAS GUZZLERS even if you could sell a few as it is irresponsible to continue to produce them!

Convert every line to Hybrid or other kind of 30+ MPG vehicles!

Sell the old stuff at a discount!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:49 PM on 11/13/2008

According to consumer report It gets a solid 30 MPG... still not bad and better than i expected... Thats 4-6 mpg better than the gas version at cost of 5K more.. The Tpyota I end up getting gets only 22MPG (about the same as Corvett overall).

I could not get anything that much better just 2 years ago when I tried. It still does not meet my towing needs.. but close. Better than the toyota Highlander.

Well, GM and Ford now have more Hyrid models than Toyota.. and no one can buy them now becuase we are going under. ... and yet we have people who want to kill them off!


Thats crazy. Our transfering mFG offshore is how we got in this mess.


Regards

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:34 PM on 11/13/2008
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Check out new Fusion Hybrid (coming in early 2009). Blows away Toyota and Honda. 5 mpg better than Toyota. Plus, it looks pretty slick.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:23 PM on 11/13/2008

Its been 3 years since the gas prices went crazy caused by dereg and speculation.. not a real shortage yet. And yet today Ford and GM lead in the number of Hybrid models. Just now we are back in 1932 and no one can buy anythying.. so let them fail.. so we lose what ever chance of starting to make stuff again. They also have a higher average fleet MPG.

That means you lose almost all the green Jobs Obama is trying to create. Man you guys are real smart!

And the cars are good...read consummer report. The quality myth is largely just that now.

Keep buying foreign and soon your kids will not be eating. This is not 1980 and we cant import our way out of the mess that importing and outsourcing got us into along with free trade in a world of manged economies such as Germany, Japan and China..

Regards

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 PM on 11/13/2008
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The point is there should be no bailout for these a$$hats. It has everything to do with the management, which is pathetic. For decades they have fought against better MPG standards saying it would tank the business, yet in europe Ford sells a car that gets 65 MPG TO-DAY. WTF?!

So now, they have no leg to stand on and come to the court of public opinion for the final concensus. Well here is mine:

US automakers = FAIL

They have had decades to put themselves on the cutting edge and anticipate the tech future but rather decided it would be better to snow the consumer and lobby against more responsible MPG standards and get fat on steaks.

What is the US automakers plan? What is their timeline for a new generation of car? (The VOLT does not count - what a POS, STUNT that thing is) What are the standards of accountability? Milestones? They NEVER say. They simply want a bailout so they can avert their eyes temporarily from their own car wreck of a business.

I would be in favor of a bailout under this provision: ALL heads of EVERY US automaker is forced to QUIT all of them concede ALL of their "bonus" and their gold parachute salary/pension. Give all of them a hardhat and let them turn wrenches with the rest of the line and get some people in charge with BRAINS who can think about bringing transportation into the FUTURE.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:38 PM on 11/13/2008

Note Mazda and Nissan have had tough years recently. Toyota has run up huge debt. They have lost money on the Prius as they do all cars they sell in the US... and charge twice as much for in their protected market to subsidize low prices here.. unfair and creates an illusion of quality per dollar comparrisons..

GM/FORD are not profitable because of the healthcare costs they pay 3 times more than the rest of the world. MFG are all in other countries where the government pays for healthcare.

The huge surge in gas prices occured in 24 months and is back down by the way. It was caused by speculation/dereg repugs. Their average fleet mileage is higher than Toyota. Just no one buys their small cars., now wanted small cars until 24 months ago. No one can adapt that quickly.

On Hybrids.. pls note with the exception of the Prius... Hybrid technology on anything larger and that even includes toyotas such as the Highlander does not produce any significant gains in mileage in actual driving. It works only on very small light vehicles with very low wind resistance.


Regards

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:06 PM on 11/13/2008

While bashing the idea of auto industry bailouts, let's think back to the excessively numerous times the U.S. taxpayer has bailed out the the airline industry.

With 1 in 10 American jobs tied to the auto industry, let's get them back on their feet, with conditions. Such as---- none of the money goes to salaries or bonuses, none of the money goes to buy-out packages for employees (UAW or Mgt.). The money goes to getting fuel efficient, green vehicles on the market asap, at affordable prices. Get the tax code changed immediately to include the tax rebate Obama proposed for buying a green vehicle. This could be a win-win situation from many angles, if managed properly.

The downside is that with no apparent oversight being given to the $700 billion financial bail-out, will there be proper management of an auto industry bail-out? An auto industry bailout without strict oversight and pre-conditions is not a good use of taxpayer money. The Big 3 has been going slowly down the tubes for the past 30 years, with the pace rapidly accelerating over the course of the last several years. Check the industry employment numbers from 1978 vs/2008. They did the easy thing, and succumed to "consumer demand" instead of doing the wise thing and planning for the future. This is where the road ends for that, if they are to be considered deserving of taxpayer support.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:52 PM on 11/13/2008

Getting new vehicles to the market isn't going to fix anything.

If you say my earlier post, a company like GM is screwed, $2,000 of every vehicle's cost goes right to health care & pension while Toyota only has a $200 cost.

Any way you look at it, Toyota has a $1800 price/feature advantage right of the bat.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:02 PM on 11/13/2008
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Plus the advantage of a better car!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:46 PM on 11/13/2008
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