Lieberman's Fate Looks Brighter By The Day

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First Posted: 11-13-08 10:05 AM   |   Updated: 12-14-08 05:12 AM

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As Senate Democrats prepare for a vote on Sen. Joseph Lieberman's fate in the party, the political tea leaves indicate that he will likely keep his post as chair of the Homeland Security and Government Reform Committee.

Over the past few days, a growing number of colleagues have gravitated to Lieberman's corner. The most prominent of them is President-elect Barack Obama. The Illinois Senator issued indications this past week that he would like Lieberman to remain in the caucus, but he didn't tip his hand one way or another when it came to the chairmanship.

Since then, Obama has reportedly had conversations with multiple Senate allies including Dick Durbin, Ted Kennedy, Clair McCaskill, and Chris Dodd. One person he hasn't talked to is Lieberman himself.

"They have not spoken," said spokesperson Stephanie Cutter.

Nevertheless, Lieberman does seem to be developing the support he needs to stave off any attempt to strip him of his homeland security post. In addition to Obama, it was reported on Thursday that Dodd and Sens. Tom Carper, Bill Nelson and Ken Salazar had formed a group that was pushing for an alternative way to punish Lieberman while keeping him in the caucus. Sen. Evan Bayh, meanwhile, took to the "Rachel Maddow Show" to explain why taking away Lieberman's homeland security position -- even if the Connecticut independent didn't follow through on his threat to flee the caucus -- would be a bad thing.

"[He] might decide to stay and be bitter," said the Indiana Democrat. "What would happen is from time to time we have close votes... If Lieberman doesn't know what to do and we've exacted revenge on him, I think we could expect the same in return."

Indeed, the lingering question surrounding Lieberman's fate is not so much if he will remain as committee chair, but who - if anyone - will vote for him to be stripped of this title. Obama, actually, will not have a vote on the matter. A Senate aide explains that the issue will be decided by "New Congress, new caucus, new members," meaning that the incoming class will have a voice in deciding Lieberman's fate but not the president or vice president elect.

Contacted by the Huffington Post, nearly every office of newly elected incoming Democrats said they either had not looked thoroughly enough at the matter, were deferring for the moment to Democratic leadership, or simply couldn't comment. Jeff Merkley of Oregon has expressed disappointment with Lieberman's campaign conduct, describing it as a "knife through my heart." But his office, too, said he wasn't taking a position on his soon-to-be colleague.

With so many balls still up in the air, several aides said they did not expect a nail-biting vote next week vis-à-vis Lieberman's future. A position on what to do with his committee chairmanship will be forged, one source predicted, and the caucus would likely support it with minor dissension. One possibility, it seems, is a compromise punishment: to allow Lieberman to stay as chair of the Homeland Security and Government Reform Committee but take away a spot on either the Armed Services or Environmental and Public Works committee.

"There are people who clearly want to take some action and force some level of discipline," said a prominent adviser to Democratic leadership. "It is a complicated and delicate walk, but going forward one wants to keep him voting with the Dems as often as possible... My sense is there is a lot of discomfort and anger. On the other hand when passions cool and you see the margin that Obama won by you realize that Lieberman didn't have any impact. Even in the Jewish community, he was completely ineffectual in his advocacy for McCain."

As Senate Democrats prepare for a vote on Sen. Joseph Lieberman's fate in the party, the political tea leaves indicate that he will likely keep his post as chair of the Homeland Security and Governmen...
As Senate Democrats prepare for a vote on Sen. Joseph Lieberman's fate in the party, the political tea leaves indicate that he will likely keep his post as chair of the Homeland Security and Governmen...
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He needs to be put on an iceberg and towed far out to sea, either literally or figuratively. Right now, my vote goes to "literally". Extra points for anyone who can work the Titanic (i.e., the Republican Party) into the scenario.

Seriously, though, we're so close to that "magic 60" that he will probably get whatever he wants from Pelosi and Reid. I don't think it's going out on too much of a limb to predict that will be their own undoing in their states, and they will lose their seats in the next election. I only hope that Lieberman gets kicked out of the Senate the next time, too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:13 PM on 11/13/2008
- RGKahn I'm a Fan of RGKahn 5 fans permalink

Joe is very lucky that the "rank and file" Democrats have no say in his political future. If it up to us, Joe would be tarred and feathered and run out of town. He should be stripped of his Homeland Security Chairmanship at the very least.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:05 PM on 11/13/2008
- colleen2 I'm a Fan of colleen2 5 fans permalink

"Joe is very lucky that the "rank and file" Democrats have no say in his political future."

The Senate 'leadership' forgets that the rank and file will have a very large say in Lieberman's political future in a bit less than 4 years. Indeed the man or woman running against him in '12 will have a considerable fund raising advantage.
It's obscene that this ineffectual little toad is chairing homeland security

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:24 PM on 11/13/2008
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No clean pillow feathers, either.

I'll gladly sweep out my sister's chicken coop.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:30 PM on 11/13/2008

Outrageous! Of course he should go! Lieberman is a traitor. He can't be trusted. We don't need him. Can't the dems have a little integrity once in awhile! damn!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:59 PM on 11/13/2008

Which issues has he said he would vote for? Those when he was at the Republican convention? Those he addressed on the McCain campaign?

Already at the crossroads and making pacts with the devil.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:51 PM on 11/13/2008
- paixa3 I'm a Fan of paixa3 25 fans permalink

What losers the Democrats are. I am an independent, but geezuzz, Harry and Nancy need to GO.

....and Lieberman, needs to set free, TOTALLY.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:50 PM on 11/13/2008
- peachfuzz I'm a Fan of peachfuzz 12 fans permalink
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How twisted has this become?

Lieberman is not getting paid to exact revenge on anybody.

If we really think that is what he will do, he needs to go.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:38 PM on 11/13/2008
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Folks, get over it. This is just politics and Lieberman holds the trump card. If the dems had a solid 60 seat, filibuster proof majority he would be gone in a flash. The reality is they need his vote in the caucus to advance the agenda and it's smart for Obama and senate leadership to keep him in the fold. He could still go rogue and permit the repugs to create a filibuster and if he moves to the right in his voting, they can still kick him out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:31 PM on 11/13/2008
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 71 fans permalink

Trump card? How so? Please don't spout that 60+ myth again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:09 PM on 11/13/2008
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Lieberman's trump card is that the democrats are spineless... and he knows it!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:36 PM on 11/13/2008
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I guess I need to research more on the Repubs in the Senate, but I find it hard to believe there isn't one or two who can be counted to side with Dems on their agenda to fix bubbleboy's F Ups.

Court them and cut LIEberman loose.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:19 PM on 11/13/2008

The people who voted Obama into office have the trump card. The man who was buoyed into the White House by a wellspring of enthusiasm and hope (for change, among other things) cannot appear to be less powerful than a senator who has danced himself into a knot, stands on who knows what terrain of legitimacy at this point, and was pushing the neocon agenda the country needs to leave behind. Symbols matter. Obama won. He needs to project authority and not disappoint the trust a lot of people, here and abroad, have placed on him. Removing a senator who could have been in the ticket running against Obama (and was certainly playing for the other team) should be a non-issue, not a source of early grief for democrats.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:56 PM on 11/13/2008

As a collective act of homage, from now on, when someone sta bs you in the back, or double cros ses you, or ab uses your loyalty for personal gain, just say you got "Liebermanned". If we can get this into common usage, it will be the best reve nge of all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:31 PM on 11/13/2008

I love it! Count me in...i will start using it right away.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:34 PM on 11/13/2008

I'm counting on you. Don't Lie berman me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:38 PM on 11/13/2008

I got Liebermanned. Caught my best friend in bed with my wife.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:34 PM on 11/13/2008

My best friend at work lied to the boss about some work I did. He Liebermanned me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:35 PM on 11/13/2008

I bet that Senator Lieberman could have a future in movies, Batman movies as the "Joker", he's been very convincing as a Joker in the Senate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:26 PM on 11/13/2008
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Yup, would save the production tons in makeup too, already has the face.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:31 PM on 11/13/2008
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If they give in to Joe Escariot, they have proven once again they are the "wimps" that they have been accused of. Shame on Democratic Senators for having no spine.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:25 PM on 11/13/2008
- RJSquirrel I'm a Fan of RJSquirrel 2 fans permalink

As usual the Democrats have no balls

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:23 PM on 11/13/2008
- Forester I'm a Fan of Forester 107 fans permalink
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S L I M E Y

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:16 PM on 11/13/2008
- gi I'm a Fan of gi 7 fans permalink
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OK! Think of Jesus Christ how would he handle "JUDSAS". Ok! Ok! Obama you have your plan and your map all worked out. I'm sure you know what you are doing. I'm gonna sit back and tune in.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:16 PM on 11/13/2008

I certainly intend to let some members of congress know how I feel. It will not do any good but I do want them to know how this makes so many people feel. It was a complete betrayal and there IS a statute of limitations on how much we are willing to swallow. Everyone has two cheeks and I've turned both of mine for the last time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:13 PM on 11/13/2008
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Well said.

And yes, I will be contacting my Senate reps; Amy Klobucher and the soon to be Senator (hopefully) AL FRANKEN.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:23 PM on 11/13/2008
- katlade I'm a Fan of katlade 6 fans permalink

Isn't Joe Lieberman supposed to be representing the folks who voted him in? That is how he should base his decisions as a Senator.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:08 PM on 11/13/2008
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Yes, but by running as an Independent, he got 75% of the Republican vote, 40 something Indy, and 30 something Democratic. He's an astute rat.
No matter, I believe he will lose in 2012 in CT. Question is now, and the next 4 years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:15 PM on 11/13/2008

There are more independents in CT than Republicans, 70% of Republicans is not such a big deal.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:21 PM on 11/13/2008

The people who voted for him are pretty outraged, they would recall him if it were possible, he worked against the candidate CT went really big for, 2012 can't come fast enough for CT.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:17 PM on 11/13/2008
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