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First Posted: 11-13-08 10:05 AM   |   Updated: 12-14-08 05:12 AM

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As Senate Democrats prepare for a vote on Sen. Joseph Lieberman's fate in the party, the political tea leaves indicate that he will likely keep his post as chair of the Homeland Security and Government Reform Committee.

Over the past few days, a growing number of colleagues have gravitated to Lieberman's corner. The most prominent of them is President-elect Barack Obama. The Illinois Senator issued indications this past week that he would like Lieberman to remain in the caucus, but he didn't tip his hand one way or another when it came to the chairmanship.

Since then, Obama has reportedly had conversations with multiple Senate allies including Dick Durbin, Ted Kennedy, Clair McCaskill, and Chris Dodd. One person he hasn't talked to is Lieberman himself.

"They have not spoken," said spokesperson Stephanie Cutter.

Nevertheless, Lieberman does seem to be developing the support he needs to stave off any attempt to strip him of his homeland security post. In addition to Obama, it was reported on Thursday that Dodd and Sens. Tom Carper, Bill Nelson and Ken Salazar had formed a group that was pushing for an alternative way to punish Lieberman while keeping him in the caucus. Sen. Evan Bayh, meanwhile, took to the "Rachel Maddow Show" to explain why taking away Lieberman's homeland security position -- even if the Connecticut independent didn't follow through on his threat to flee the caucus -- would be a bad thing.

"[He] might decide to stay and be bitter," said the Indiana Democrat. "What would happen is from time to time we have close votes... If Lieberman doesn't know what to do and we've exacted revenge on him, I think we could expect the same in return."

Indeed, the lingering question surrounding Lieberman's fate is not so much if he will remain as committee chair, but who - if anyone - will vote for him to be stripped of this title. Obama, actually, will not have a vote on the matter. A Senate aide explains that the issue will be decided by "New Congress, new caucus, new members," meaning that the incoming class will have a voice in deciding Lieberman's fate but not the president or vice president elect.

Contacted by the Huffington Post, nearly every office of newly elected incoming Democrats said they either had not looked thoroughly enough at the matter, were deferring for the moment to Democratic leadership, or simply couldn't comment. Jeff Merkley of Oregon has expressed disappointment with Lieberman's campaign conduct, describing it as a "knife through my heart." But his office, too, said he wasn't taking a position on his soon-to-be colleague.

With so many balls still up in the air, several aides said they did not expect a nail-biting vote next week vis-à-vis Lieberman's future. A position on what to do with his committee chairmanship will be forged, one source predicted, and the caucus would likely support it with minor dissension. One possibility, it seems, is a compromise punishment: to allow Lieberman to stay as chair of the Homeland Security and Government Reform Committee but take away a spot on either the Armed Services or Environmental and Public Works committee.

"There are people who clearly want to take some action and force some level of discipline," said a prominent adviser to Democratic leadership. "It is a complicated and delicate walk, but going forward one wants to keep him voting with the Dems as often as possible... My sense is there is a lot of discomfort and anger. On the other hand when passions cool and you see the margin that Obama won by you realize that Lieberman didn't have any impact. Even in the Jewish community, he was completely ineffectual in his advocacy for McCain."

As Senate Democrats prepare for a vote on Sen. Joseph Lieberman's fate in the party, the political tea leaves indicate that he will likely keep his post as chair of the Homeland Security and Governmen...
As Senate Democrats prepare for a vote on Sen. Joseph Lieberman's fate in the party, the political tea leaves indicate that he will likely keep his post as chair of the Homeland Security and Governmen...
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Ok, I'm really tired of this Joe the Judas sh*it! I've emailed, I've phoned, I've blogged, I don't know what else to do anymore, short of personally going to kick Joe's a$$.
So, I'm just gonna wait 'till the vote next week, and if those cowardly Senators vote to keep him in the chair, then that's it. I'll be done forever!
I love my President and VP Elect, but I'm afraid with a Senate like that, they won't get much help. And two men, can't change these old far*ts. I'm fed up with Joe, fed up with the Senators defending him. Like I said, I'm holding out my last hope for the vote, then kaput!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:06 PM on 11/13/2008

These people are cut from the same privileged cloth. Why would they turn on each other? How many times do they all claim to be "friends" even though they should probably despise each other. I don't care how nice Strom Thurmond was, he would never be my friend if I was in the Senate with him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:30 PM on 11/13/2008
- reliant1 I'm a Fan of reliant1 24 fans permalink
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Joe will only stay because the President wants him to. No one has any other option - if the President feels there is someplace or issue where he can leverage Lieberman to his favor then he stays. Should the President decide he has no future value then he'll go.

This is not an option for voters, the Party or anyone else. This is the Presidents choice. He will choose knowing exactly what use he might make of Joe, where he can be leveraged and where not to allow him to go. Tactics and prgamatism - use of tools. The good politics of owning a Senator who will not be seeking re-election and who can and will be used to good effect. Joe won't have an individual thought left - let alone behavior, he's the Presidents meat and they both know it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:56 PM on 11/13/2008
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I don't believe any of that. The President Elect has no say whatsoever on matters of the Senate. If anything, the Senators are using him, to calm an electorate who believes him and not them, but make no mistake, keeping Joe in the chairmanship is an agenda of his old Senate buddies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:12 PM on 11/13/2008
- Crozier I'm a Fan of Crozier 69 fans permalink

What is the Democratic Party of 2008? IMHO, that is the question. Who is the Democratic Party?...m­ight produce a different answer.

When I was born 62 years ago, oddly enough a day after the Republicans won control of the House and Senate during the first Truman presidency, the speaker of the House was a MA Republican named Joe Martin. He served as minority leader before and between and after speakerships from 1947-49 and 1953-55. He was a liberal Republican­....part of the then ruling Rockefeller wing of the party. This wing produced Rockefeller and Dewey before him. The Midwestern conservative wing was led by Taft and Dirksen and later by Dole. Then, there was the Goldwater variety in the West.

The Democratic party was led by the northern liberal FDR wing of the party. It included the Irish, Italian, French Canadian, Polish, Ukrainian, etc,,,immigrants who migrated to the FDR liberal wing. The Midwest Populist Wing was the DFL groups who represented the truly WASP wing of the party that had produced Grover Cleveland for his two non-consecutive terms in the 19th century.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:06 PM on 11/13/2008

Lieberman's latest betrayal is campaigning for MN-R Senator Norm Coleman against D-MN Al Franken. DOESN'T THAT TELL YOU IN ADVANCE THAT HE WILL WORK TO FIGHT A 60-SEAT MAJORITY. Why is this so hard to figure out? Kick him out period. Or, Connecticut start the recall process. Make calls to object now. Obama supporters -- this is your call to action.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:05 PM on 11/13/2008
- Crozier I'm a Fan of Crozier 69 fans permalink

I TELL YOU.......­the man is figuratively defecating on the Democratic Party. He wants to defeat one of them so that he can be effective.­...he knows that if they get to 60 without him, not even that canard will fly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:17 PM on 11/13/2008
- bluekatz I'm a Fan of bluekatz 13 fans permalink

Ah STITCH is like an vulture hanging around picking the bones clean. But then again the strategy to keep STITCH just made it more interesting, that means he has to deliver to the DEMS...hum­mm! Its more like an embarrassment to STITCH that he essential beg to keep his position. So, they will make him an enemy of the Republicans once again. LOL

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:04 PM on 11/13/2008
- markkraft I'm a Fan of markkraft 15 fans permalink

The thing I find ridiculous is that everyone has their knickers in a twist about Lieberman, even though he's only polling at 41% approval -- mostly among Republicans -- in his home state.

One simple fact to put everything in context:
The guy is getting voted out of office in two years, and will be replaced by a Democrat! And everyone here will be able to help his opponent!

Under these circumstances, is there any reason to wonder why Democrats want to keep Joe in line for just two more years, so long as they have him on a short leash?!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:04 PM on 11/13/2008

He was just elected two years ago. A senate term is six years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:08 PM on 11/13/2008
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do the math...41% is still much greater than the abysmal 10% approval rating of the Congress..­.you can rule with dignity, forgiveness and look forward, or you can settle scores and be the same vicious, petty scabs we expect you to be...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:17 PM on 11/13/2008
- Crozier I'm a Fan of Crozier 69 fans permalink

Your thought process is what has made the Democratic Party....s­ince the Dixiecrats left the Democratic Party to form the Southern GOP - win only three times in the last three decades...­....and all of them with centrists who are more pragmatic than ideological.

The ideologues, whom you worry about, have held power with the exception of only 12 years. YOU DO THE MATH !!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:30 PM on 11/13/2008
- Crozier I'm a Fan of Crozier 69 fans permalink

You don't get it sweetheart­.....the damage that he can do in the first year of the Obama administration is incalculable. The second year, 2010 is an election year for Congress and part of the Senate. Lieberman is not running for re-election until 2012.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:19 PM on 11/13/2008
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 66 fans permalink

Thank you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:36 PM on 11/13/2008

Well, that's certainly a relief.

For a moment there, I thought we would lose this fair-minded, kind, considerate and compassionate citizen's champion.

Ulp, erch, ulg, bleech...

Sorry, I just threw up in my own mouth typing that last line.

We, the people of the US made a virtual clean sweep of the last vestiges of the current world-decimating administration last week.

But like cockroach after a nuclear blast, this guy keeps mutating and getting stronger.

On second thought, that line is an insult to cockroaches.

This low-life can't have a massive brain aneurism fast enough.

I hope I'm not out of line...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:58 PM on 11/13/2008
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you seem to know about cockroache­s...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:11 PM on 11/13/2008

Personally I think this just proves how spineless Harry Reid is. He was supposed to take care of this. But like anything else in the past few years he would rather do nothing. I think it is about time that we start thinking about bringing up real leaders to lead democrats in the senate. Replace Harry with Hillary. That should be our discussion: Instead of talking about how much we hate Lieberman, put a leader that will do something about it in the right place and replace "do nothing" coward.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:57 PM on 11/13/2008
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Not out of line by any measure, you were a bit too nice. It is a disappointment to once again see the Democrats and their new leader bend over backwards and this time for a spineless jellyfish with NO POLITICAL collateral. It seems the Dems have no problem selling their soul for one vote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:11 PM on 11/13/2008
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 66 fans permalink

Hear, hear.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:38 PM on 11/13/2008

I wonder what would happen if the Dems picked up Alaska, Minnesota and
Georgia over the next month of so. Then they'd be at 60, including the Independent and
not necessarily needing turncoat Lieberman.
It makes me sick the yellow streak down the backs of the Dems. What a bunch of cowards.
Is there no respect or decency among them!! Apparently not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:57 PM on 11/13/2008
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 66 fans permalink

Then they would find another excuse to keep Joe. Someone wants him to have access to secret memos that affect US security.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:39 PM on 11/13/2008

The guy is a laughing stock. Nobody trusts him, wants him around. He is only concerned with JL and israel. Why doesn't he just go back there t live if that is all he really cares about? Obamma doesn't need him, congress doesn't need him, and the senate doesn't need him. The guy smacks of someone who is playing both sides as a means of entrapment. Show me one member of the senate or congress that really trusts this man. NOne. When Bush is gone so will his power be. Leiberman won't have the pull he had before. And is it just me or is this guy about as whiney as it gets? He is dangerous, and its time they strip him of all power on both sides. He can't be trusted.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:56 PM on 11/13/2008
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Some Democrats need to get the boot along with Lieberman.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:54 PM on 11/13/2008
- Classof89 I'm a Fan of Classof89 24 fans permalink
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Ding, ding, ding, ding! Right answer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:09 PM on 11/13/2008
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 66 fans permalink

Not some, many. But don't think that will happen. Fineslime is running ahead of all other Dem candidates for governor in California; most other possibles have stated that they would not run against her.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:40 PM on 11/13/2008

I have a feeling something is up with this. Obamma does not trust Leiberman as far as he can throw him. I have a feeling they will use him to get to bush and cheney. Just a hunch here. Obamma is aware of the turncoat Leiberman is and has been. Its the old cliche, keep your freinds close, the enemy closer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:48 PM on 11/13/2008
- 67yrolfe I'm a Fan of 67yrolfe 8 fans permalink
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Go to senate.gov -- look for a link to "Senators" in the top left corner. Click on for a list of every Senator including their office phone numbers. Make the call! An aid will answer -- if not leave a message. You do have a voice -- use it! I called Reid's office.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:45 PM on 11/13/2008

Bayh's afraid Lieberman's bitterness will drive him to vote against his constituents, his party, his objectives and his conscience.

Remind me why we're working so hard to keep such an assinine hypocrite in the party?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:45 PM on 11/13/2008
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 66 fans permalink

When does Bayh come up for re-election?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:42 PM on 11/13/2008
- Brettster I'm a Fan of Brettster 8 fans permalink
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This sickens me to my core. Lieberman has proven himself to be an absolute swine time and time again, spitting in the face of the entire Democratic party and anybody with even a hint of progressivism or common sense decency. He takes the republican side on every big issue. He was even on their side for Clinton's impeachment. This guy is laughing right now because his turncoat plans work so well for him every time. He doesn't only lean right, he is a partisan Bush-loving Republican in his nature. Yet there are no consequences. Do the Democrats really need him that desperately? They just won even more seats. Now is the time to have some backbone.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:42 PM on 11/13/2008
- YR I'm a Fan of YR 6 fans permalink
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Lieberman said he'd learned lessons from Iraq in order to get reelected. Then he thumbed his nose in the voters' face. I don't care if he does go Republican. Get rid of him and have a strong Democrat beat him in the next election. Can Connecticut recall him? That'd be even better.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:42 PM on 11/13/2008
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