Bayh's Defense Of Lieberman Wrong, Senate Expert Says

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First Posted: 11-14-08 11:54 AM   |   Updated: 12-15-08 05:12 AM

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Appearing on "The Rachel Maddow Show" earlier this week, Indiana Sen. Evan Bayh argued that Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman should keep his committee chairmanships, suggesting that the posts could be taken away at a later date if he misbehaves. But a Senate rules expert who spoke to the Huffington Post said this could prove more difficult than is presently assumed.

Attempting to put Democrats' fears to rest, Bayh told Maddow:

And the final thing I'd say is, if he does retain his chairmanship, we still exert oversight over him and control over him. He doesn't have the ability to just do whatever he wants. The caucus still has the right to remove him from that position at any time if he starts going off on some kind of tangent.

Bayh's rationale appeared persuasive to some Democrats, including former Clinton campaign operative Phil Singer, who wrote on his blog that the Indiana Senator's take was "not unreasonable."

But former Democratic Senate staffer Martin Paone suggested Bayh is under-educated on this matter. Paone, who became as the "secretary to the majority" in the Senate starting in 2001, notes that Republicans harbored similar desires in the past, but never executed them due to the threat of a filibuster.

"It takes a Senate resolution to change a chairmanship, and that resolution could be subject to a filibuster," Paone told the Huffington Post. Put simply, under Bayh's proposed scenario, Republicans would have every reason to filibuster a new Senate resolution taking Lieberman's chairmanship away if he was proving an effective antagonist of President Obama.

Paone noted that a similar game of political chess played out in the Senate's recent history. "We had a similar situation in the past with a Republican moderate senator, Mark Hatfield from Oregon, who voted the wrong way in the eyes of [former Sen. Rick] Santorum and others on the constitutional amendment on a balanced budget," Paone said. "There were rumblings they wanted to take his chairmanship away. But the ranking member on the committee was [Democratic] Sen. Robert Byrd, who wrote Hatfield a nice note saying, 'if they ever try to take your chairmanship away, I'll make sure we [Democrats] will filibuster such a resolution."

According to Paone, "the time to take a chairmanship away is when everybody is being appointed [at the beginning of the new Congress]. Everybody has an investment in that resolution. In order for everybody to benefit, that resolution has to pass. It's much more difficult to cherry pick in this fashion, to take one Senator's chairmanship, at a later date."

Asked if Bayh understands this complexity, Paone said "I'm sure he probably doesn't. There aren't that many people up there who do. It's not every day you want to change a chairmanship. And since the Hatfield matter never materialized, I think that shows why it's not as easy as some might think."

Appearing on "The Rachel Maddow Show" earlier this week, Indiana Sen. Evan Bayh argued that Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman should keep his committee chairmanships, suggesting that the posts could be t...
Appearing on "The Rachel Maddow Show" earlier this week, Indiana Sen. Evan Bayh argued that Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman should keep his committee chairmanships, suggesting that the posts could be t...
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As I am a new member of the Huffington Post, I have just read their
requirements for posting.

I believe posting a URL is against their policy.

I am sure they are fair to Republicans and Democrats alike, on
this matter, as they do not ban posts according to ideology.

I suppose I am testing the waters here, seeing if this is true.

Thanks for your patience with me, a newcomer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:52 AM on 11/15/2008
- tbone99 I'm a Fan of tbone99 102 fans permalink

You mean you actually read that stuff? That proves you're of a different ilk!

You'll soon find what they will and won't allow - because the stuff they don't allow doesn't make it to light of day or if it slips thru quickly disappears..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 AM on 11/15/2008
- StillAmused I'm a Fan of StillAmused 273 fans permalink

What could be more rational than leaving a drooling invasion cheerleader, PNAC wannabe, knee-jerk supporter of the imaginary "global war on terror" and backstabber-extraordinaire in charge of the f**king HOMELAND SECURITY committee?

Ummm, how about driving one's forehead repeatedly into a block wall?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:52 AM on 11/15/2008
- rw97 I'm a Fan of rw97 permalink

Send Droopy Dog Liebermann to his kennel with no Puppy Chow.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:24 AM on 11/15/2008
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This is an email I got from Fire Dog Lake wiyh a link to a petition to get rid of Lieberman which I signed.

The Huffington Post is reporting that in their meeting today, Reid told Lieberman that he had to step down from his position as chair of the Homeland Security Committee if he remained in the Democratic Caucus. Lieberman did not accept this offer, which means that his only redress is to go around Reid and petition the Senate Democratic Steering and Outreach Committee to keep his seat.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/06/lieberman-tries-to-cling_n_141876.html

We've watched for years as Joe called war opponents traitors, lied about wanting to bring the troops home to get elected, stabbed Democrats in the back and did everything he could to keep Barack Obama out of the White House. Lieberman laundered smears that even McCain wasn't willing to launch himself.

No way.

Make no mistake about it -- Lieberman was openly threatening the Democratic Caucus in his press conference today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvTXn7wm-60

Enough is enough.

Please sign the petition to the Steering and Outreach Committee, telling them it's time for Joe to go.

http://action.firedoglake.com/page/petition/nomorejoe

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:40 AM on 11/15/2008
- ladydriver I'm a Fan of ladydriver 3 fans permalink

Thanks, gws1968. Signed both signatures. Hope this helps make up their minds. Joe has got to go.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:02 AM on 11/15/2008
- brynn6 I'm a Fan of brynn6 12 fans permalink

I have signed the petition and sent it everywhere I can think of. Thanks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:16 AM on 11/15/2008
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Thanks for the link . Done.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:49 PM on 11/15/2008
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The GOP senators are gonna fillabuster anyway with Joe(the phantom menace) Lieberman there to help them out. Picking off a few of those moderates from the north east is a better bet. Kick Joe to the curb and let him run for reelection as a REP next time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 AM on 11/15/2008
- luke150 I'm a Fan of luke150 12 fans permalink

Wow, you are now ready to throw out Bayh because he has different than your position on Lieberman? How about Obama then, he is also leaning to leaving Lieberman as a Chair. The campaign is over, now is time for governing and Obama realizes that he would need every single vote in the Senate. Revenge is the easiest thing to do, I wish I can personally kick Joe the Lieberman you know where. But most important to me is to know that certain laws will pass without a problem.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:19 AM on 11/15/2008
- ladydriver I'm a Fan of ladydriver 3 fans permalink

Anybody think a petition about why we think Lieberman should go would do any good?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:18 AM on 11/15/2008
- JulianJons I'm a Fan of JulianJons 2 fans permalink
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I am not sure, but he certainly can bring severe headaches in a position of power considering his behavior during the campaign. Better safe than sorry. He should be allowed to caucus and earn anything from that point if he wish but at this time he does not deserve to be in a position of power.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:07 AM on 11/15/2008
- brynn6 I'm a Fan of brynn6 12 fans permalink

gws1968 posted it above. Here it is again, sign and pass it on.

http://action.firedoglake.com/page/petition/nomorejoe

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:17 AM on 11/15/2008
- ElBruce I'm a Fan of ElBruce 19 fans permalink
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Could we maybe try to elect people to government who know how government works for once? Would that be such a bad thing?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 AM on 11/15/2008
- Plowboy I'm a Fan of Plowboy 25 fans permalink

The only thing I'd like to say to Lieberman is Bayh Bayh. And the same goes for Evan the worthless.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:20 AM on 11/15/2008
- army193 I'm a Fan of army193 9 fans permalink
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Now that I have a better understanding...The Democratic Senators better understand that the Republicans would use the filler buster to show that the Democratic Party is in disarray and there attempting to hide something right or wrong...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 AM on 11/15/2008
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Joe the Judas knows that he is not wanted so why doesn't he just go away? Has this man on pride?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 PM on 11/14/2008
- genia I'm a Fan of genia 27 fans permalink
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At some point ...somewhere... if nothing else...we need to set an example.... People need to be held accountable.
Shame.....some one should of had the foresight to keep a collection of Videos on Lieberman.....to have on hand to now... refresh and review his words and actions.
He has to go. He has to. We have to make it clear that we expect honesty and integrity.
Lieberman has neither.
Let him get away with this and underhanded, below the belt tactics will become the norm...and why not? There is no punishment or accountability involved.
He's a grown man...he knew exactly what he was doing.
He's got to go......

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 PM on 11/14/2008
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It doesn't feel right at all to keep Lieberman in his chairmanship!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:25 PM on 11/14/2008
- samerbayer I'm a Fan of samerbayer 3 fans permalink
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I 'm an independent and if the Democrats don't remove him, I'll never vote for any Democrat who is in the senate right now

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:00 PM on 11/14/2008
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Independent or not, to swing all voting from one party to another is a bit more than short sighted. Sure, throw a vote to Barr, Paul, or Nader...that's not so smart at all.

I am anti-Lieberman as well in general and strongly want him off the current committee chair. He too is an independent and NOT a democrat (he lost to the local democrat for those that remember). However, all said I am not confused that the democratic party is FAR better than alternative choices. I see it as better to make clear one's feelings about Joe-mentum to Reid and local senators rather than making rash comments like switching to another lesser or no-op party.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:42 PM on 11/14/2008
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At least we can say that we stand by our principles.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 PM on 11/14/2008
- laire I'm a Fan of laire 4 fans permalink

Littlewords,

Thank you for being reasonable on this site I don't like Lieberman but I think the last thing Obama wants to do is start of your presidency with this as an issue. For some of the people on this site who say they want vote for a democrat because their not for blood seems crazy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 AM on 11/15/2008
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I am a free thinker and I will consider the Democratic Party a continuation of old-time backroom politics and not worthy of further consideration for support if they abandon principles of justice and fairness by rewarding Lieberman with a high level committee chairmanship, when there are competent and loyal Senators available.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 PM on 11/14/2008
- cgin I'm a Fan of cgin permalink

Lieberman must go now! Earth to all those Senators who openly and proudly are lobbying for Lieberman, please remember the so called "sincere" pledge he made at the onset. He gave his word to support McCain only on matters of foreign policy without personally attacking Obama, a fellow Democrat. He broke his word. For haven sakes..., he even went as far as questioning Obama's patriotism. What other evidence you need to come to your senses? Lieberman must not be allow to retain any position of power, period.

We can not afford to have a Senator who have shown an incremental disdain chairman to such an important committee

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 PM on 11/14/2008
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