Bayh's Defense Of Lieberman Wrong, Senate Expert Says

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First Posted: 11-14-08 11:54 AM   |   Updated: 12-15-08 05:12 AM

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Appearing on "The Rachel Maddow Show" earlier this week, Indiana Sen. Evan Bayh argued that Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman should keep his committee chairmanships, suggesting that the posts could be taken away at a later date if he misbehaves. But a Senate rules expert who spoke to the Huffington Post said this could prove more difficult than is presently assumed.

Attempting to put Democrats' fears to rest, Bayh told Maddow:

And the final thing I'd say is, if he does retain his chairmanship, we still exert oversight over him and control over him. He doesn't have the ability to just do whatever he wants. The caucus still has the right to remove him from that position at any time if he starts going off on some kind of tangent.

Bayh's rationale appeared persuasive to some Democrats, including former Clinton campaign operative Phil Singer, who wrote on his blog that the Indiana Senator's take was "not unreasonable."

But former Democratic Senate staffer Martin Paone suggested Bayh is under-educated on this matter. Paone, who became as the "secretary to the majority" in the Senate starting in 2001, notes that Republicans harbored similar desires in the past, but never executed them due to the threat of a filibuster.

"It takes a Senate resolution to change a chairmanship, and that resolution could be subject to a filibuster," Paone told the Huffington Post. Put simply, under Bayh's proposed scenario, Republicans would have every reason to filibuster a new Senate resolution taking Lieberman's chairmanship away if he was proving an effective antagonist of President Obama.

Paone noted that a similar game of political chess played out in the Senate's recent history. "We had a similar situation in the past with a Republican moderate senator, Mark Hatfield from Oregon, who voted the wrong way in the eyes of [former Sen. Rick] Santorum and others on the constitutional amendment on a balanced budget," Paone said. "There were rumblings they wanted to take his chairmanship away. But the ranking member on the committee was [Democratic] Sen. Robert Byrd, who wrote Hatfield a nice note saying, 'if they ever try to take your chairmanship away, I'll make sure we [Democrats] will filibuster such a resolution."

According to Paone, "the time to take a chairmanship away is when everybody is being appointed [at the beginning of the new Congress]. Everybody has an investment in that resolution. In order for everybody to benefit, that resolution has to pass. It's much more difficult to cherry pick in this fashion, to take one Senator's chairmanship, at a later date."

Asked if Bayh understands this complexity, Paone said "I'm sure he probably doesn't. There aren't that many people up there who do. It's not every day you want to change a chairmanship. And since the Hatfield matter never materialized, I think that shows why it's not as easy as some might think."

Appearing on "The Rachel Maddow Show" earlier this week, Indiana Sen. Evan Bayh argued that Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman should keep his committee chairmanships, suggesting that the posts could be t...
Appearing on "The Rachel Maddow Show" earlier this week, Indiana Sen. Evan Bayh argued that Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman should keep his committee chairmanships, suggesting that the posts could be t...
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- prscnt1 I'm a Fan of prscnt1 8 fans permalink

Bayh should know: cut the tumor, especially cancerous like liberman.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:56 PM on 11/14/2008
- Doofus I'm a Fan of Doofus 25 fans permalink
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Since now they are asking for funding to pay for the transition,
perhaps what to do is tell them 'NO WAY' until they ditch Joe
Lieberman. E-mail to David Plouffe barackobama.comma.com)
will at least get you a heart-warming e-mail back about how
much they care.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:48 PM on 11/14/2008
- edwarvir I'm a Fan of edwarvir 36 fans permalink

This is an non-issue. He has not been loyal to the
party. IF it was just an disagreement amongest themselves.
that would be different , but he said terrible things about
President OBAMA! He never once defended him.
He didn't even attend his own convention and then went
out and campaigned against our newly elected President.
Noway would I ever have any respect for him or trust
this DISLOYAL RAT! So what is the problem ? Get rid
of him and PRONTO!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:42 PM on 11/14/2008
- Keith52 I'm a Fan of Keith52 39 fans permalink
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Senator Lieberman supported the war in Iraq that has, by nearly all accounts, weakened our security rather than strengthened it. He has stood idly by and allowed the Bush Administration to spy on Americans and torture innocent human beings.

This is also not about a grudge. This is about being trustworthy. Joe Lieberman lied about his intentions during the 2008 Presidential election. He attacked Senator Obama with misleading facts and false rumors. He used the misinformation and rumors that he knows were invented by the NeoCon Republican machine to create fear. Why? Joe Lieberman joined with the Republicans because he thought they would succeed at distracting American voters. And he wanted to keep his position in the Senate should they have won. Joe was looking out for Joe. Now Joe must go. He can't be trusted to think of American's first.

I just signed a petition asking my senator to vote to strip Lieberman of his chairmanship.

http://act.credoaction.com/campaign/no_chair_for_lieberman/?r_by=1534-1856481-X0b0Rnx&rc=mailto

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:38 PM on 11/14/2008

Benedict Arnoldberg

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:36 PM on 11/14/2008

Lieberman "is what he is" - a snake in the grass. He has clearly demonstrated that he has no loyalty to the Dems. Therefore, it makes no sense to keep him in the Dem caucas. He is not going to support the DEMS on issues that really matter. When he stabs you in the back or attempts to discredit Obama, again. Don't be surprised. He has already told you, in more ways than one, what he is going to do.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:35 PM on 11/14/2008

Snakes are much nicer. Joe is less than zero. Joe must go!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:43 PM on 11/14/2008
- Donde I'm a Fan of Donde 2 fans permalink

Obama made the right gesture.
Now let the caucus work it out behind closed doors –
because he used to be a Dem let him stay, but
because of his despicable behaviour take away his committees.

So what if he gets mad, bolts and officially joins the Repugnants.
He's a de facto Repug and won't vote with Dems on military, foreign policy or war issues.

So what if he quits altogether.
Gov Jodi Rell (R) appoints a Repug and that will spark Connecticut to vote in a real Dem senator (Mr. Lamont still interested in the job?) and maybe a Dem governor in 2010.

So what if that keeps the Dems short of 60.
Reach across the aisle and make friends with RINO’s on key votes.

Write your Senator and Senate Dems – Grow A Pair!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:35 PM on 11/14/2008

DUMP LIEBERMAN!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:31 PM on 11/14/2008
- PT6 I'm a Fan of PT6 25 fans permalink

Yes! Reason will hopefully prevail!

Simply tell Lieberman "You are going to have to EARN your way back into the party" so for now you can chair the "Ethics Committee" and hopefully learn a lot!

Lieberman can earn his way back by voting for Obama's programs - one by one by one!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:30 PM on 11/14/2008

Everyone is all concillatory and kissy-kissy trying to look bi-partisan and touting unity. That is not what party politics is about. It is about the party ideology and supporting the platform. The citizens have spoken -- we rejected the GOPs, the wanna-bes and their right-tilt ideology and dirty politics. Kick the turn-coat out of the caucus and take away the chairmanship. Lieberman can hold hands across the aisle with his buddy all he wants --as long has he is in no position of power.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:30 PM on 11/14/2008
- trucap I'm a Fan of trucap 3 fans permalink

let him go. got tired of him declaring independent and voting rep. hit the road joe.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:29 PM on 11/14/2008
- LisaJeanM I'm a Fan of LisaJeanM 5 fans permalink

But here is what's really disturbing: Why would the Dem Senators not all feel as we do about this? Why would they want to keep him as Chairman of the comittee? Bayh and Reid have said they sort of *have* to give it to Lieberman because Lieberman essentially said he'd get revenge if they didn't.. Whoa! So, Reid and Bayh are telling us that Joe is extorting the chairmanship from them and that's tolerable to them?

Ya know, when the media first put this storyline out I thought, wow, the Dems are unbelievably spineless. But after thinking about it and reading some of the opinions & blogs on the internet, I think Reid and Bayh are feeding us bull. I think it's very possible that Bayh and Dodd and Reid and the rest of them actually want Lieberman to retain his chairmanship. And if that is the case, and Obama is fine with that, then what is this telling us? This is telling us it's going to be *business as usual*.

This is really a horrible thought.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:24 PM on 11/14/2008
- Beninn I'm a Fan of Beninn 33 fans permalink
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Look at which Democratic senators are pushing for Lieberman -- DLC Democrats. Centrist Democrats, aka RepublicanLites.

When you look back at this election, how the primary played out, & then look at what Obama's administration is starting to look like (Clinton retreads), you have to wonder about the deals that Obama made to get here.

This election was always really a death struggle within the political parties for control over the individual parties. In the DemocraticParty, it was between the leftwing, liberal base & the DLC.

-"DLC operatives actively worked to sabotage Howard Dean's candidacy for the US Presidency in 2004, claiming that the 'far-left' Democrat was wrong to attack George W. Bush's tax cuts & national security policies." - http://www.nndb.com/group/269/000093987/

Howard Dean is out as head of the Democratic National Committee. Rahm Emanuel is Obama's COS. Hillary Clinton being talked about as joining Obama's cabinet as SoS. It's looking like the liberal 'roots of the Democratic Party lost. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1108/15617.html

The leftwing blogosphere raised the biggest money ever to get a candidate elected, & it seems we got conned into electing another Republican Lite. The DLC is now trying to consolidate its gains & attract more Republicans to the DemocraticParty. Republicans who couldn't bring themselves to vote for know-nothing Sarah Palin and Hair-trigger McCain. They're already lowering expectations about delivering on this election's promises, "no mandate", & talking about "after the 2010 election, when we really get a majority".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:33 PM on 11/14/2008
- LisaJeanM I'm a Fan of LisaJeanM 5 fans permalink

Yes, you're right. If Lieberman stays as Chairman, what that will mean is Obama has no power.

It will be a heartbreaking turn of events.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:40 PM on 11/14/2008

Lieberman is a stain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:22 PM on 11/14/2008
- Beninn I'm a Fan of Beninn 33 fans permalink
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The Evan Bayh interview on The Rachel Maddow Show.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwkwR3WOpwM

I was insulted by it, knowing how difficult it is to remove a sitting chair of a committee. Bayh isn't the brightest bulb on the tree, but he knows this. The tip-off to me that Bayh knew and was selling a bill of goods (and a real slap to the face) was the 'apology' bit. Would anybody believe a Lieberman apology now?

WHERE IS LIEBERMAN'S ALLOCUTION?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allocution

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:20 PM on 11/14/2008

I never had much truck with the Democrats in power since they torpedoed Howard Dean's and Ned Lamont's candidacies. I want to believe real change is coming but this Lieberman situation stinks to high heaven. What's so complex about not being able to trust Lieberman with such a powerful position?!?
It's a freakin no brainer!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:17 PM on 11/14/2008
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