Two Senators Speak Out: Lieberman Should Lose Chair

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ANDREW MIGA | November 14, 2008 09:07 PM EST | AP

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WASHINGTON — Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman's chances of holding onto his committee chairmanship suffered a blow Friday when two key New England Democratic senators came out against him.

Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy and his Vermont colleague, Sen. Bernie Sanders, said Democrat-turned-independent Lieberman doesn't deserve to keep his Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs chairmanship because of his campaign attacks on President-elect Barack Obama.

Lieberman angered many Democrats by supporting Republican John McCain and criticizing Obama during the presidential contest.

Liberal activists are urging the party's caucus to strip Lieberman's chairmanship when caucus members meet next week. Senate Democrats are scheduled to meet next Tuesday to decide what to do.

"I am one who does not feel that somebody should be rewarded with a major chairmanship after doing what he did," Leahy, D-Vt., said in a Vermont Public Radio interview on Friday. "I never ask people, well you must vote for this person or that person. Everybody has to make up their mind."

Sanders, an independent who caucuses with Democrats, said he hopes Lieberman will remain in the party caucus and work to regain the trust of those he has disappointed.

"To reward Senator Lieberman with a major committee chairmanship would be a slap in the face of millions of Americans who worked tirelessly for Barack Obama and who want to see real change in our country," Sanders said in a statement. "Appointing someone to a major post who led the opposition to everything we are fighting for is not 'change we can believe in.'"

The issue of whether to punish Lieberman is a sensitive one for Democrats, given Obama's calls for bipartisanship during the 2008 race. Lesser penalties are also being considered involving Lieberman's committee and subcommittee posts.

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Some of Lieberman's attacks on Obama "went beyond the pale," Leahy said.

"I would feel that had I done something similar that I would not be chairman of Senate Judiciary Committee in the next Congress," Leahy said.

Lieberman, who was Democrat Al Gore's running mate in 2000, was re-elected in 2006 as an independent after losing his state's Democratic primary. He remains a registered Democrat and aligns himself with Senate Democrats.

Obama has told Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada it would hurt the message of unity that he wants for his new administration if Lieberman leaves the Democratic caucus. Reid met with Lieberman last week and was initially inclined to strip him of the Homeland Security Committee chairmanship, according to a leadership aide.

Since then Reid has been working to find a compromise with Democratic supporters of Lieberman, including Sen. Chris Dodd of Connecticut, chairman of the Senate Banking Committee. Dodd and Sen. Evan Bayh, D-Ind., have said it would be a mistake if any punishment by the party causes Lieberman to bolt to the Republican side.

Lieberman also spoke last week with Republican Leader Mitch McConnell. Key Republicans, including Sens. John Ensign of Nevada and Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania, have said they would welcome Lieberman to the GOP caucus.

Lieberman's presence in the Democratic caucus was essential to the party's control of the Senate because he gave them a 51-49 edge over Republicans. But Democrats expanded their majority in the Nov. 4 elections and won't need Lieberman to control the chamber when the new Congress convenes.

WASHINGTON — Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman's chances of holding onto his committee chairmanship suffered a blow Friday when two key New England Democratic senators came out against him. Senate...
WASHINGTON — Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman's chances of holding onto his committee chairmanship suffered a blow Friday when two key New England Democratic senators came out against him. Senate...
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- whoknew--- I'm a Fan of whoknew--- 23 fans permalink

Repeat of my initial post with additional comments---

Lieberman turned his back on his party and supported McCain in a fashion that would suggest his loyalty to the Democrats was a mockery to say the very least...

That in itself will haunt the Democrats if they allow Lieberman his choice of a major chairmanship....

It would be precedence that other possible "blue dog democrats" may follow in the future knowing that this behavior is perfectly acceptable in the party....

I believe that if there are any pre-existing guidelines in the Democratic bylaws regarding this kind of behavior that it should be scrutinized and possibly adjusted to this potentially evolving situation...

If there isn't any guidelines then perhaps this is a good time to consider it because then all Democratic representatives will know exactly what is expected of them regarding loyalty to the party and it's consequences (such as losing an important chairmanship) if a specific representative has decided to cross party lines...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:24 PM on 11/15/2008
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 72 fans permalink

And the truly funny part is that if McCain had won, Joe would have become Secretary of State as a Republican. Had that happened, think he would have acknowledged Obama?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:33 PM on 11/15/2008

Here's his choice stay in the caucus and loose your chairmanships (probation for four sessions) while cooperating by voting 100% in addition to apologizing privately or get booted immediately like the has been vindictive back stabbing opportunist that you are.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:28 PM on 11/15/2008
- KathyinCT I'm a Fan of KathyinCT 64 fans permalink

TAKE ACTION NOW:



THERE IS A WAY WE CAN HAVE AN IMPACT.


Click on link or paste it into browser -- http://tools.advomatic.com/7/kickjoe.

It takes you to Firedog Lake's "call Congress" set up . They send you list of the senators who are making decision about Lieberman, provide talking points, and then literally connect you to the office, so you have no phone bill and you get to talk.

WE ELECTED OBAMA. WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE. CALL now!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:07 PM on 11/15/2008
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 72 fans permalink

Thaks, I will. Forget calling Salazar; he admits to supporting Joe. Or call and give a Colorado zip code.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:35 PM on 11/15/2008
- boing007 I'm a Fan of boing007 9 fans permalink

Shut up, Bayh! Yawn...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 PM on 11/15/2008
- Leon72 I'm a Fan of Leon72 4 fans permalink

I have agreed with most everything obama does, but his support of Lieberman has made me furious. I don't care if Leiberman makes 60 votes, i want him out. I am getting sick and tired of wishy-washy Reid, Pelosi. Peolosi took impeachment off table, then Congress allowed Bush to slip in clause that exempts himself of any criminal prosecution for his crimes. These antiquated democratic dinosaurs will never change. If Liebermann is not thrown out on his ass, I will vote for a third party next time around

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:22 PM on 11/15/2008
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You know, I just have to say this. It saddens me to see that an important subject to us, such is the stripping of the Chairmanship from Joe the Judas, and the elation of finally hearing from two lone HERO Senators, coming out on the side of reason, unlike the other cowards in the Senate who insist on defending a traitor, would garner only 700 comments from the Huffpo community, while on another thread, I skip by the odious, has been, Joe the plumber's thread, and see it has 1400+ comments. More than double! Where are our priorities folks?
I refuse to even get in there to see what the comments say, but whether it's just to blast it or whatever, why keep giving attention to those parts of left-over trash from the failed MCCain? Same should go for the Palin sh*it. Enough already! Don't keep them in the spotlight, please, I beg you all!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 PM on 11/15/2008
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 72 fans permalink

It's hidden. You have to scroll through the entire home page to find it. Try Kos; it probably has a higher position on their site.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:36 PM on 11/15/2008

Ii he truly wants to caucus with the Democratic party he SHOULD not have a problem steeping down. After his betrayal to the party the ONLY honorable thing is step down without conditions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:50 PM on 11/15/2008
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Honorable, and Joe the Judas are mutually exclusive.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 PM on 11/15/2008
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 72 fans permalink

Joe doesn't do honorable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:37 PM on 11/15/2008
- lobear00 I'm a Fan of lobear00 27 fans permalink

Mr. Obama, Reid, Pelosi, you people seem to have forgotten you represent the people who put you in your positions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 PM on 11/15/2008
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Mr Obama? What the heck has he done? Saying he holds no grudge? Wtf do you expect him to do? Scream vengeance? He's the next President you know? He has to appear neutral and magnanimous. Don't lay this on him please! This is strictly the Senate's job! Reid is the one who should be enforcing this no matter what, and demanding all his Senators vote accordingly. What does Obama have to do with it? Him and Biden don't even hold a vote in the Senate anymore. Keep the blame and responsibility where it belongs please, that is Reid and the Senators!
Oh, and Pelosi? What's she gotta do with the Senate?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:18 PM on 11/15/2008

I am once again reminded of why I am proud to be a Vermonter. Both of our senators have spoken in tune to the contentious aspect of Joe Lieberman's position in the democratic caucus. If Mr. Lieberman considers himself to be a democratic, then why has he misspoken and tragically embedded himself in McCain's shoulder while still considering himself to be a democrat. People, who is he kidding here? I support my U.S. Senators and I hope that they are heard and that other democratic senators will join them in removing Lieberman from such a prominent position in the caucus. We do not need him in this new government. Frankly, if it were my wish he would be booted from the party. But, we are a democracy and we can only hope that he respects himself and moves on to be the republican that he has become.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 PM on 11/15/2008
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I sent both Leahy and Sanders an email to thank them, even though I'm not from Vermont. And I hope they'll be able to persuade some of their colleagues, and others will wise up before the vote on tuesday.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 PM on 11/15/2008
- ejay579 I'm a Fan of ejay579 9 fans permalink
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I have been considering donating to the run-off in the senate race in Georgia and to the DNC to retire some of the debt it incurred during the election. Now I have to ask, what is the point? If the voters are going to bar the front door, why would the Democratic senate leadership hold the backdoor ajar for Lieberman to sneak back in? No doubt about it, Joe must go. The least I expected from this election is a change in the trajectory of the Supreme Court with everything else being a bonus. I never expected the bonus to wither away even before inauguration day.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 PM on 11/15/2008
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I'm with you on that. I'm waiting 'till the vote on tuesday. If they let him keep the chair, that's it. Not a dime for the DNC from me ever again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:20 PM on 11/15/2008
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 72 fans permalink

I'm with you. We should all send our money to Kucinich. Think that would get someone's attention?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:41 PM on 11/15/2008
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 72 fans permalink

Send your money to Kucinich. He is most likely to spend it on issues that you support.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:30 PM on 11/15/2008
- ObamAtomic I'm a Fan of ObamAtomic 169 fans permalink
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To the curb!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 PM on 11/15/2008
- FZliveson I'm a Fan of FZliveson 94 fans permalink
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There have been little twinkles of no light that have shown through Obama's lathering of the public with rhetorical feel-good. (I voted for the man so shut up a minute) He scared the mud out of me with how easily he voted for the Braille-out (the blind poking the eyes out of the poor). It scared me that Obama voted for the new and improved FISA bill (a CONSTITUTIONAL SCHOLAR is he ?) Yes, he avoided bloody clashes. Yes he is a good negotiator. Yes he has charisma. Yes he got a lot of race-based votes, which helped do some healing, but were also merely a repudiation of Bush's brand.
Lieberman is a turncoat...through and through. He is an implant in spirit of Israel (I am not anti-Jewish)
and can be relied upon to vote on anything that is good for Israel, regardless of its net effect on the USA.
Lieberman cannot be trusted. He carries no great political influence and he is really SOUR to look at. His diction and timbre are disgusting to listen to. What exactly does this little puppet of Israel offer our nation?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 PM on 11/15/2008
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You're 100% spot on on LIEberman, but I don't get your connection with Obama's "rhetorical feel-good", or past, not so popular, but politically unavoidable votes.
Are you trying to insinuate that this may also be one? You should know then, Obama holds no more vote in the Senate, as Biden. So, Joe the Judas' case, is not his to decide, it's the Senate's, led by Reid.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:35 PM on 11/15/2008
- FZliveson I'm a Fan of FZliveson 94 fans permalink
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Eden4baracko8: My "insinuation" is that Barack Obama is not the most well-travelled road in the land. There are lots of unknowns about him, so everything he does or did needs to be looked at for what the purpose is. My jury on Obama is still out.
His campaign was truly one of uplift and circumventing much of the mud-slinging and controvercy. He lead many people to the polls and won handily.
His FISA and Brailleout votes and some of the choices he is making for his crew leave me to believe that he will be a lot more of the same in many ways.
The problem with "politically unavoidable votes" is that they are the razor sharp dividing line between commitment and sell-out. As a PoliSci major, I know the political process.
I just fear that Obama will have a very hard time leading us to the places he intimated in his campaign, if he has such watered-down and compromised positions. We will see.
NO HARM INTENDED. Obama may be a hero in fact, rather than in theory...we'll see.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 PM on 11/15/2008
- Lemeritus I'm a Fan of Lemeritus 110 fans permalink
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Here is another occasion when the U.S. Senate leaves us -- would we be called rank-and-file? -- scratching our heads. Most of us have learned more than could ever be taught in a civics class about back-room deal making and we didn't much care for what we saw -- the Senate is supposed to be the chamber of deep deliberation and for the last nearly 8 years we've seen some pretty basic liberties being deliberated right out the window. Dems can't get a majority (even of their own members -- which leads me to believe the Blue Dogs should break away completely, become the new Republican Party and let the people who now call themselves Republicans become what they really are -- the party of hate and fear, the intellectual home of Sarah Palin and Joe the Plumber).

Comes now Joe Lieberman... what to do? Oh dear... what if he defects to the Republicans? For my money, he already has. Even giving him the benefit of a doubt -- that his years of friendship with McCain convinced him that the senator from Arizona was right for the presidency, that personal loyalty trumped party loyalty (as sometimes it might) -- how to justify the hatchet job he did on the party that once ran him for vice president? I do not doubt that when Mr. Lieberman chose to support McCain, he counted the price that would be due if McCain lost -- it's time for him to pay up. Time to

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 PM on 11/15/2008

I'm with you...he has already left the democratic party, a long time ago.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 PM on 11/15/2008
- LynnW49 I'm a Fan of LynnW49 28 fans permalink
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The Lieberman choice is not about political punishment. It is about morality and suitability to do the job. Lieberman must go. He lied to us when he said Palin was ready to be president, he lied about Barack Obama's record. He stood by while Palin-McCain engendered hate and violence. He has loaned his name to racists, homophobes, and anti-Muslims (think Reverend Hagee). He cares only for political expediency. He has lacked integrity and conviction in the Chairmanship so far, refusing to investigate Katrina issues, among others. If he succeeds in bullying the Democrats, then the new era we worked and voted for is a sham. If Lieberman retains the chairmanship, it will be politics as usual, not the change we fought for.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 PM on 11/15/2008
- Lemeritus I'm a Fan of Lemeritus 110 fans permalink
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Well put!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:30 PM on 11/15/2008

the demos are still a bunch of cry babies with no back bone. senator reid should do what has to be done. strip lieberman of his duties and be done with it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 PM on 11/15/2008
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Lieberman's pattern of behavior proves him to be a shameless opportunist. He won't leave the Democrat caucus, even if he is stripped of his chairs. There won't be anything to gain by going over to the other side.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 AM on 11/15/2008
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Precisely! Yet our balls-less Senators, refuse to call his bluff, and prefer to bend over.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:41 PM on 11/15/2008
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