Two Senators Speak Out: Lieberman Should Lose Chair

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ANDREW MIGA | November 14, 2008 09:07 PM EST | AP

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WASHINGTON — Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman's chances of holding onto his committee chairmanship suffered a blow Friday when two key New England Democratic senators came out against him.

Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy and his Vermont colleague, Sen. Bernie Sanders, said Democrat-turned-independent Lieberman doesn't deserve to keep his Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs chairmanship because of his campaign attacks on President-elect Barack Obama.

Lieberman angered many Democrats by supporting Republican John McCain and criticizing Obama during the presidential contest.

Liberal activists are urging the party's caucus to strip Lieberman's chairmanship when caucus members meet next week. Senate Democrats are scheduled to meet next Tuesday to decide what to do.

"I am one who does not feel that somebody should be rewarded with a major chairmanship after doing what he did," Leahy, D-Vt., said in a Vermont Public Radio interview on Friday. "I never ask people, well you must vote for this person or that person. Everybody has to make up their mind."

Sanders, an independent who caucuses with Democrats, said he hopes Lieberman will remain in the party caucus and work to regain the trust of those he has disappointed.

"To reward Senator Lieberman with a major committee chairmanship would be a slap in the face of millions of Americans who worked tirelessly for Barack Obama and who want to see real change in our country," Sanders said in a statement. "Appointing someone to a major post who led the opposition to everything we are fighting for is not 'change we can believe in.'"

The issue of whether to punish Lieberman is a sensitive one for Democrats, given Obama's calls for bipartisanship during the 2008 race. Lesser penalties are also being considered involving Lieberman's committee and subcommittee posts.

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Some of Lieberman's attacks on Obama "went beyond the pale," Leahy said.

"I would feel that had I done something similar that I would not be chairman of Senate Judiciary Committee in the next Congress," Leahy said.

Lieberman, who was Democrat Al Gore's running mate in 2000, was re-elected in 2006 as an independent after losing his state's Democratic primary. He remains a registered Democrat and aligns himself with Senate Democrats.

Obama has told Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada it would hurt the message of unity that he wants for his new administration if Lieberman leaves the Democratic caucus. Reid met with Lieberman last week and was initially inclined to strip him of the Homeland Security Committee chairmanship, according to a leadership aide.

Since then Reid has been working to find a compromise with Democratic supporters of Lieberman, including Sen. Chris Dodd of Connecticut, chairman of the Senate Banking Committee. Dodd and Sen. Evan Bayh, D-Ind., have said it would be a mistake if any punishment by the party causes Lieberman to bolt to the Republican side.

Lieberman also spoke last week with Republican Leader Mitch McConnell. Key Republicans, including Sens. John Ensign of Nevada and Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania, have said they would welcome Lieberman to the GOP caucus.

Lieberman's presence in the Democratic caucus was essential to the party's control of the Senate because he gave them a 51-49 edge over Republicans. But Democrats expanded their majority in the Nov. 4 elections and won't need Lieberman to control the chamber when the new Congress convenes.

WASHINGTON — Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman's chances of holding onto his committee chairmanship suffered a blow Friday when two key New England Democratic senators came out against him. Senate...
WASHINGTON — Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman's chances of holding onto his committee chairmanship suffered a blow Friday when two key New England Democratic senators came out against him. Senate...
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Tar and feathers

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:56 AM on 11/15/2008
- boing007 I'm a Fan of boing007 9 fans permalink

Heavy

Tar and feathers.

I heard a rumor that the San Diego Chicken is thinking of retirement.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:56 PM on 11/15/2008
- marthlois I'm a Fan of marthlois 27 fans permalink

It is heartwarming to see PE Obama defended in this way. Lieberman should feel free to back anyone he chooses, but the remarks he made were detrimental and divisive. Thank you Senators for reminding people that this is much more than just backing McCain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:55 AM on 11/15/2008
- Pegi I'm a Fan of Pegi 47 fans permalink

I totally agree with the Senators. He must go, he is useless to us now. He will never support the end of the war in Iraq, he won't support much of what they put forward. Cut him loose and let him go where he belongs. Hopefully, he will become a non persona in his next election!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:41 AM on 11/15/2008
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I almost always agree with the wise counsel of senator Leahy and love and respect senator Sanders, their advise should be followed, Lieberman is a dangerous character as we have seen, he should not be allowed to control a very important chairmanship. He held the position of chair of the Homeland Security when Katrina hit and we all know how that turned out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:39 AM on 11/15/2008
- lizr I'm a Fan of lizr 263 fans permalink
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Yes, the VT senators know best in this case adn I pray Obama deals with this sn ake in the grass immediately.

very much a th re at.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:41 AM on 11/15/2008

Throw him out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:53 AM on 11/15/2008
- exhale09 I'm a Fan of exhale09 76 fans permalink
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I believe Joe Lieberman should be removed from the commitees he chairs because he did not do a competent job the Chairman of those commitees.

Joe Lieberman's support for Republican Idealogy kept him from COMPETENTLY approaching his responsibilities in an UNPARTISAN manner.

Investigations are conducted to get to the TRUTH. TRUTH is not Partisan. Refusing to investigate so you can get to the TRUTH is a "Partisan" decision.

Our new Administration is putting TRUTH and COMPETENCY at the head of their priorities.

I have no problem allowing Joe Lieberman to have responsibilities that do not involve highly idealogical Partisan issues, but it is CLEAR to me that he needs to be removed from his present prestigous positions...especially envolving all manner of National Security.

I especially resent the implications of "keeping Joe on" as a way of giving into a kind of political blackmail. The fact that Joe would be willing to totally SWITCH Political parties JUST to thumb his nose, tells me right off the bat that Joe Lieberman has some ISSUES that do not speak well for his CHARACTER.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:38 AM on 11/15/2008

Loser's lose.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:37 AM on 11/15/2008
- Ohene I'm a Fan of Ohene 3 fans permalink

"To reward Senator Lieberman with a major committee chairmanship would be a slap in the face of millions of Americans who worked tirelessly for Barack Obama and who want to see real change in our country … Appointing someone to a major post who led the opposition to everything we are fighting for is not 'change we can believe in."
Thank you very much, Sanders and Leahy. You’re Democratic Senators who still have your heads on your shoulders. You are speaking for millions of people who gave and gave and gave to the Obama's campaign and worked hard for him to win. And to reward somebody, a former Democratic VP, who actively and aggressively undermined the efforts of these millions, is the worst form of ingratitude. Liebermann’s case is a matter of principle not of revenge.
It was a former Prime Minister of Israel (from 1983-1984 and again 1986-1992),Yitzhak Shamir, who once said that "If you do not punish" an offence, the perpetrator will keep committing the same offence.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:35 AM on 11/15/2008

It doesn't really matter, it's not like the Democratic party represents the left side of politics anyways. Lieberman is just a tool. This party is by and large to the right of the American people. Let's see, Democratically controlled house and senate, and where were they in trying to impeach the world's greatest war criminal and where were they in trying to get free universal health care for all Americans ? Enough said!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:22 AM on 11/15/2008
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 70 fans permalink

It does matter. Repudiating Joe would be the first action moving the Dems out of the Republican party.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:50 AM on 11/15/2008
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It will unfortunately TAKE a Democratically controlled House and Congress AND EXECUTIVE Branch to UNDO the damage caused by the REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED House, Congress and Executive branch for so many years.

The DAMAGE we are all witnessing with our own eyes and living with now.

As for Impeaching the worlds greatest war criminal...that would have been an impossible all consuming excercise in futility WITHOUT that 60 vote MAJORITY.

Instead Democrats focused on winning the election so we CAN return the checks and balances that were leglislatively undermined by Republicans, around, and from there begin the PROGRESSIVE agenda the PEOPLE of this country have LOUDLY voted for...which includes the promise of HEALTH CARE.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:15 AM on 11/15/2008
- batmanindy I'm a Fan of batmanindy 9 fans permalink

Joe the Turncoat must go. I can not stand to see the sight of him and I suspect many in Congress feel the same way. To allow him to stay in a commitee chairmanship flies in the face of decency and intelligent behavior. The guy is an Israeli Firster, he has been on the wrong side of history on the Iraq War issue and he was wrong, wrong, wrong about Obama (v. mccain).

Why would anyone want a guy that is so wrong about so much in a leadership role in the Senate (unless of course the leadership role is ceremonial in reality)?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:18 AM on 11/15/2008
- lizr I'm a Fan of lizr 263 fans permalink
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it is downright SCARY to me to think of him in Homeland Security at all!

PLEASE get rid of him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:39 AM on 11/15/2008
- JiminNC I'm a Fan of JiminNC 300 fans permalink
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Lieberman made a desperate power grab and tried to sink Obama's boat using classic Rove classless tactics. Take him down a notch.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:07 AM on 11/15/2008
- JTyroler I'm a Fan of JTyroler 42 fans permalink

I understand the desire to have an additional vote in the Senate on several issues, but how much back stabbing is allowed before Lieberman has to pay some sort of price?

He contributed to slanderous attacks against President-Elect Obama, he was a party to divisive politics of the worst sort, and, Lieberman is more concerned with the needs of Joe Lieberman than the nation. How else does one explain his threat to leave the Senate if he's stripped of his chairmanship of the Homeland Security Committee?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:53 AM on 11/15/2008
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 70 fans permalink

He is not going to vote with the Dems on any progressive issue anyway; he has already stated this on national TV. Why should he be courted and Kucinich, or other progressives, be ignored?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:51 AM on 11/15/2008
- suvbaby I'm a Fan of suvbaby 6 fans permalink

This is not merely an issue of Lieberman's "support and critisism" of Obama. His comments go way beyond that. These were gut punches plain and simple. Lieberman never entertained the vision of Obama winning and threw all caution to the wind, believing he was on the winning side. Kudos to Leahy and Sanders . They are true men of character and this has to matter more that a filibuster.

http://liebermanmustgo.com/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:41 AM on 11/15/2008
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I could understand it if Joe Lieberman truly in his heart and soul agreed with the Bush Administration's "POLICIES" and that is why he supported it, but Joe Lieberman went far beyond that. FAR BEYOND THAT.

I can NOT forget Joe Lieberman's behavior at the Republican Convention. He seemed to take pleasure in his assault on Obama. Sticking it to the Democratic candidate put a self righteous sick smile on his face. He supported and himself repeated the Republican dirty politics talking points of personal destruction.
It's NOT just that Joe Lieberman was FOR Bush's WAR policies..and therefore John McCain's positions...he was AGAINST Obama on a "personal" level, spitting out insidious poison about Obama on all things embodied in the DEMOCRATIC Campaign...siding with the Republican campaign of smears and FEAR.

It has made me sick to my stomach.

Zel Miller's wacky behavior doesn't bother me, because Zel Miller is a joke in the first place, but Joe Lieberman holds serious CHAIRMANSHIP of very serious committees, on HIGHLY seriously important issues. The CHAIRMANSHIPS entrusted to him by the DEMOCRATIC PARTY!

He should be offered a different role of responsibility, and if he has any integrity or REAL alliegence to Democratic ideals, he will graciously accept, understanding how his own choice of behavior made DEMOCRATIC AMERICANS feel.

The Country does not revolve around Joe Lieberman's feelings.

If he declines...that will tell us all we need to know about Joe.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:14 AM on 11/15/2008
- Alethia I'm a Fan of Alethia 3 fans permalink

Yes, Senator Lieberman has not been acting like a Democrat as of late. And also yes, President-elect Obama leans toward not taking action against him for his misdeeds.

I am with the President-elect on this.

And the real test of Senator Lieberman's behavior is when he is up for re-election in 4 years.

Let the people of Connecticut decide.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:19 AM on 11/15/2008
- Belisarius I'm a Fan of Belisarius 41 fans permalink
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I see.

Trust and reward the man that did everything he could to elect another repub as president and who agreed that a dem majority was dangerous.

That make sense to you or do you just think that 60 dems in the senate is worth sucking up to a man that obviously loathes our new president and is capable of using his chairmanship to try and embarrass him?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:52 AM on 11/15/2008
- Alethia I'm a Fan of Alethia 3 fans permalink

I am only saying that the best judge of Senator Lieberman's actions are the people in his constituency. Let democracy take its course.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:03 AM on 11/15/2008
- suvbaby I'm a Fan of suvbaby 6 fans permalink

He has not been acting like a human being and to leave him in charge of the commitee that could investigate Obama is ludicrous.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:53 AM on 11/15/2008
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 70 fans permalink

Hear, hear. Remember Joe supported censuring (sp) Clinton.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 AM on 11/15/2008
- suvbaby I'm a Fan of suvbaby 6 fans permalink

The attacks that Lieberman perpetrated go way beyond Dem/Repub issues. They were personal charater assasination of Barack. I suggest you visit this site.

http://liebermanmustgo.com/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:56 AM on 11/15/2008
- suvbaby I'm a Fan of suvbaby 6 fans permalink

And kindly explain to me how a commitee chairman who promised to investigate Bush dropping the ball on Katrina and has done absolutly nothing thus far should retain his job. Even if you take the character issue out of it he is an incompetent. You and I would have been fired a long time ago.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:00 AM on 11/15/2008
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2 years?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:08 AM on 11/15/2008
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No, unfortunately he was reelected only 2 years ago and has 4 to go. It just seems an eternity.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:41 AM on 11/15/2008
- riverhouse I'm a Fan of riverhouse 55 fans permalink

CT can decide if he's their Senator. Democrats can decide if he retains a leadership position in the Democratic Party, specifically his chairmanship of the Homeland Security Committee.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:00 AM on 11/15/2008
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 70 fans permalink

Thank you. I thought that Obama was going to stay out of this one and leave it to the Legislature to decide and that his inaction was to be a symbol of the end of unilateral government as we have known it for the past eight years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:53 AM on 11/15/2008
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I think Obama's only point was that there are no grudges. The Senate should approach this not from the standpoint of whether the chairmanship is "deserved" but just whether it makes sense. What does Lieberman's activity over the past 12 months say about his priorities and how those priorities mesh with the priorities of the Democratic party? What has Lieberman done as the chair of this committee to date and is that the path the party wants to continue on? I suspect these considerations weigh against Lieberman retaining the chairmanship.

The big problem is the culture of corruption in Washington and the understanding that chairmanships permit you additional power. As such, we need a George Washington in the Senate to establish that no one holds a Chairmanship for more than two terms (12 years) and perhaps the power of chairmanships can be reduced.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:09 AM on 11/15/2008
- lizr I'm a Fan of lizr 263 fans permalink
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Grudges no,

Accountability YES

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:40 AM on 11/15/2008
- exhale09 I'm a Fan of exhale09 76 fans permalink
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Well put.

This isn't about holding grudges. This is about what is best for the DEMOCRATIC Party and CHANGING the direction of destruction of our country, that Republicans have given us.

Joe CHOSE to join the Republicans. He CHOSE the ideals and policies he wanted to support. He CHOSE to speak at the Republican Convention. That's all fine. We live in A FREE COUNTRY.

He made his CHOICE. Believe me, I am all for being PRO-CHOICE in a FREE Nation...but we do not have to REWARD Joe for his INSULTING behavior towards the Party that entrusted him with his prestigous Chairmanships in the first place, the Chairmanships that he neglected to preside over in a competent manner. He obviously was NOT UP TO THE JOB he was entrusted with....or rather...due to his CHOICE of being a Partisan for the Republican party, he refused to do any investigating that may have exposed the TRUTH about the Political party and Administration he CHOSE to support.

That didn't just hurt the Democratic party, it hurt the PEOPLE of this country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 AM on 11/15/2008

get a life, he is mostly a dem, nothing is going to change, with you partisan guys as a classic example

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:08 AM on 11/15/2008
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