Secretary Of State: Would Hillary Want The Job?

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First Posted: 11-14-08 01:48 PM   |   Updated: 12-15-08 05:12 AM

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On Friday, political chatter focused around reports that President-elect Barack Obama is thinking about naming Sen. Hillary Clinton as his Secretary of State.

But while much of the talk focused on Obama's reasoning, Clinton has a few decisions to make herself. The New York Democrat is likely already running through a series of calculations, according to two members of the Clinton inner circle who spoke to the Huffington Post.

"She has a passionate network of supporters who are devoted to her. Is she going to shut all of that off? Because once you become a Secretary of State, you don't fundraise," one former aide to Clinton's presidential campaign said. "What happens with your political staff? You're really kind of upending a lot of stuff. It's a huge life change."

The aide noted that while the Senator began her campaign with only a couple-hundred thousand email addresses in her database, she now has "at least three to five million." Indeed, even as her name was being discussed non-stop on cable news channels, Clinton's political action committee sent out a fundraising pitch Friday on behalf of Al Franken, who is still locked in an extended battle with Norm Coleman over a Senate seat in Minnesota.

Among other dilemmas facing Clinton, according to the campaign aide -- who requested anonymity due to the sensitive nature of the situation -- is whether the Secretary of State's role in an Obama administration would be diminished by the large role in foreign affairs that will likely be played by Vice President-elect Joe Biden. In addition, there is the question of whether or not Clinton will want to give up a safe Senate seat for life for a job from which she could be summarily fired without notice.

"Cabinet members serve at the pleasure of the president," the aide said. "Does she want to go from being a First Lady to a major Senator and someone with a big presidential candidacy to someone who could just be fired one day? I don't know."

There are also complicating factors brought to the decision making process by former President Clinton. They include whether or not to reveal donors to his presidential library to the Obama vetting team and the possibility that his international work with the Clinton Global Initiative could conflict with Foggy Bottom's priorities. The campaign aide said that while the Clintons were prepared to submit donor lists to Obama for the vice presidential vetting (which never came), it's an open question as to whether they would similarly eager to do so for the Secretary of State position.

Also unclear is the fate of Hillary Clinton's remaining debt from the presidential campaign, were she to take the post. Would Obama have to commit to putting his own email list to work for Clinton, effectively taking responsibility for that fundraising work while she puts in effort for his administration? On this score, aides were mum.

While agreeing with some of the concerns raised by the campaign aide, a different longtime assistant to Sen. Clinton -- going back to her days as first lady -- said there are nevertheless some strong reasons why Obama might be inclined to make the post worth Clinton's time.

"She is a beloved figure around the world. She has visited over 80 countries, as first lady and senator together," the assistant said. Noting in particular the fact that she learned as first lady how to be effective as a "backdoor diplomat," the former White House assistant said Sen. Clinton actually mastered "a lot of the intricacies of these issues before ever joining the Senate's Armed Services committee. She's tough; she had meetings with some Prime Ministers and Presidents where she had to deliver some blunt messages for us."

And there is one other symbolic reason why Obama might go the extra mile to convince Clinton to come on board, the former assistant said. "He would be choosing a very high ranking woman to be one of the faces of this country all over the world. This is the first woman's name that has come up, by the way, for one of the top four cabinet posts. So she gives him this great political asset. And she and Biden are really tight. So I wouldn't be at all surprised if Obama offered it to her."

If he does, we'll see if Hillary is interested.

On Friday, political chatter focused around reports that President-elect Barack Obama is thinking about naming Sen. Hillary Clinton as his Secretary of State. But while much of the talk focused on Ob...
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All the anti-Clinton posts on these pages are a bit much. She graciously campaigned for him.
Many Hillary supporters made the switch to Obama mainly because of the disastrous Palin pick. If McCain had been the guy of 2000 and had picked a moderate VP, not sure that Obama would have got all those independents and former Hillary supporters! Obama will make a good President but that doesn't mean Hillary has to be evil!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:55 PM on 11/14/2008
- DaveC19 I'm a Fan of DaveC19 13 fans permalink

NOOOOOOOOO­OOOOOOOOOO­OOOOOOOOOO­O.

No Hillary no way. We need to extract the Clintons from our government like an impacted molar.

They are neocons, they are warhawks, they are DLC corporatists and Bilderburg elitists!

We need PROGRESSIVES not Republican-lite.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:51 PM on 11/14/2008

Dave:

On what grounds is Hillary a Neocon? Are you serious? A senator who ranks in the top ten for liberal voting records is a Republican-Lite?

Elitists? Have you met her family? No...proba­bly not, have you met her personally? Probably not.

One of a few women to be in the Senate and you want one less woman? Or is your response..­"Just not that woman?"

Now, being a big Hillary supporter.­...frankly I don't think she is the best suited for this position for this particular administration. Is she qualified, hell yes. However, I'd rather have her in the Senate, continuing to be an advocate for Universal Healthcare, Education reform, women and children's issues, etc.

Obama promised a new America to the world, a new kind of politics, and I'd like to support him giving that a try. Presenting the world with a Clinton doesn't really fit in that picture.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:05 PM on 11/14/2008
- DaveC19 I'm a Fan of DaveC19 13 fans permalink

Hillary voted for war in Iraq and voted with Kyl and LIEberman to authorize bombing Iran.

She is DLC I suggest you research DLC. They are all big business corporatists, The same rats that have ruined our economy.

She is elitist. Don't you know the millions they get from the Saudis. What about Bubba's presidential library. Elitist enough for you?

I don't care if someone is a woman ot not, and yes the response IS "Just not that woman!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:22 PM on 11/14/2008
- Bitsko I'm a Fan of Bitsko 510 fans permalink
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If it's progressives you want running things, you better set to work getting some elected. Compared to most of her colleagues, Senator Clinton is a progressive.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:24 PM on 11/14/2008
- DiBaskin I'm a Fan of DiBaskin 3 fans permalink

Warhawks?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:40 AM on 11/15/2008
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Bill Richardson is the guy!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:43 PM on 11/14/2008
- AsISaid I'm a Fan of AsISaid 25 fans permalink
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Here's a question..­..If Hillary would have won the nomination and then the Presidency, would she consider Obama for Secretary of State? No. Here's another question..­..what else does Hillary want as she negotiates for the SOS position? I have to believe she wants more control than Obama should give her. Here we are, back with all the Clinton drama. She has nowhere to go in the Senate and now she is apparently vexing Obama. Can Hillary be a trusted soldier to Obama? Can she play second fiddle to Obama worldwide? The more I think about it, I don't like the whole idea. Obama owes Bill Richardson a whole lot more - at least he's proven his loyalty and belief in Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 PM on 11/14/2008

If Hillary had won the nomination, there's little question she would have picked Obama as VP.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 PM on 11/14/2008
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That's true.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:55 PM on 11/14/2008

ASISaid:

You are subscribing the drama, not Hillary. You are the one with talk of "vexing Obama." If your world is dependent on having Hillary be a villain, regardless of reality, fine....bu­t don't spread baseless characterizations as if it's scripture. Hillary did a fantastic job campaigning for Obama, more than Richardson, more than Kerry, and more than any previous contender in history before and after the convention.

Now...let'­s hypothetically assume you view of Hillary as true: Then frankly having your evil adversary out of the Senate, unable to fund-raise, campaign for anyone, and serving at your discretion and not meddling with what will mostly be a first term focused on domestic policy....­.would be your best option....­and by giving your evil foe such a prominent position, you look magnanimou­s...etc.

Not since President Buchanan has a former Secretary of State won higher office.

Now, I share in your not liking the whole idea. I don't either, and it smacks of Biden actually. If he wasn't VP elect, he would certainly be the best SofS and this may be his suggestion. However, I don't think it is a good fit, though she is more than qualified.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 PM on 11/14/2008

Frankly, had Hillary won she would have asked Obama to be VP because a good chunk of his base (first time voters, young voters) would not have voted for Hillary in the GE if he wasn't on the ticket with her. Hillary's supporters consisted a lot of the old reliable Democratic base who identify themselves as party loyalists and would have supported the nominee no matter what because they have experience with supporting a candidate who didn't win the nomination yet they dependably show up and vote for Democratic ticket come Nov. 4th.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:55 PM on 11/14/2008
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To all the people who keep trying to tell the professionals how to do their job please don't! The President-elect knows what he is doing and like the article said Senator Clinton is a beloved figure around the world. I am living in a foreign country and these people know President Bush, Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. There is the utmost respect for the Clinton's.­.. like it or not but at the end of the day no one cares any way.

As a political scientist I believe that Obama is doing the right thing by balancing his administration with new people and people from the Clinton administra­tion... because on January 21, 2009 the GOP attack machine will be out in full force and what better people to fight off the GOP than people who fought them and won the first time around.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 PM on 11/14/2008
- antaeus I'm a Fan of antaeus 86 fans permalink
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Why don't some of you trust Obama to make the right choice? This isn't about pleasing the folks in Indiana. What was our biggest strained strategic relationship during the Bush years? Europe. HRC knows the territory, and they admire and love her there.

Kerry is a loser. He lost 2004, Bush didn't win. But even though HRC lost to the better candidate in the primary, she is still competent.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 PM on 11/14/2008
- SF13 I'm a Fan of SF13 11 fans permalink

Trust and the Clintons really don't belong in the same sentence .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:04 PM on 11/14/2008
- DaveC19 I'm a Fan of DaveC19 13 fans permalink

Yeah it is kind of like "trust" and "Lieberman". These words don't belong in the same universe together!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 PM on 11/14/2008
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Notice that SF13 and DaveC19 are posting the majority of the anti-Clinton sentiment on this thread as an attempt to smear.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 PM on 11/14/2008
- cassiopex I'm a Fan of cassiopex 2 fans permalink

I love Hillary's strength, courage, intelligence and political savvy to death and she was my first choice as presidential candidate goes BUT I would say to our new President-Elect: enough Clintonian leftovers already!

We need new faces and we must give newcomers a chance or else all this cabinet will succumb to an air of deja vu. Richardson has the outlook, practical foreign affair knowledge, has successfully brokered peace treaties and hostage's liberations AND he comes as a highly regarded member of the Hispanic caucus.

Hillary is in a good position where she is right now: ready to give scaredy-cat Pelosi a kick where it counts if necessary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:21 PM on 11/14/2008
- antaeus I'm a Fan of antaeus 86 fans permalink
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How does a senator tell the House Speaker what to do?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 PM on 11/14/2008

Hillary has a lot of support within the house and the Senate. The Clinton's have campaigned, fund-raised, and helped elevate many Democrats to higher offices, etc. It's not about telling someone what to do, it's about governing styles and policies within the party and the influence the Pelosi's, the Clinton's, the Reid's, Dean's, and now the Obama's have among the governing body as a whole. Last I checked, Pelosi didn't get 18 million people to vote for her.

When was the last time we had a Democratic Administration in the White House other than Clinton's, to draw experienced Democrats from? Oh yeah....Ca­rter. Or should we have an administration full of untried academics with no real time experience?

-JW

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 PM on 11/14/2008
- popizzy I'm a Fan of popizzy 4 fans permalink

You want new faces huh? Richardson is not a new face and he was apart of the Clinton Admin

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:40 PM on 11/14/2008
- stell I'm a Fan of stell 20 fans permalink

This is disastrous. I don't see anything positive coming from even floating this out. Everything that Mrs. Clinton has done for Obama has been self-serving. What the hell is Obama thinking? Every time you think the Clintons will change, they do something to remind you that they are.....we­ll the Clintons. A tiger doesn't change his stripes. How many times does Obama need to be burned to realize the Clintons are not his friends? If she was so great, she'd be his VP. There has to be something else at work here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 PM on 11/14/2008
- SF13 I'm a Fan of SF13 11 fans permalink

The Clintons never really do anything except for themselves. If Obama chooses her he chooses drama to the max and probably a one term presidency followed by........­..........­.drum roll please HILLARY CLINTON ..... you knew that didn't YOU ?

I can't think of a worse choice for all the reasons we already know. If this is Obama's judgement that he likes to brag about God help us.

Hillary does her own thing and she will never ever promote anyone's agenda but her own.

RIchardson is a far more stable choice.

This news makes me regret the 2 years I dedicated to getting Barack elected. So much for "turn the page", "change" ... I feel like I've just been through the phoniest election on earth and can't wait for the next 4 years to dump the liar .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 PM on 11/14/2008
- popizzy I'm a Fan of popizzy 4 fans permalink

WOW...very over dramatic in your characterizations.

In 4 years you can't wait to 'dump the liar' so I guess you'll be voting for um....lets see....Pal­in?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 PM on 11/14/2008

SF13: As Secretary of State Hillary would be serving at OBAMA'S discretion, and promoting his foreign policy, and won't be able to do any fundraising for herself or her allies, it would be virtually impossible for her to do any pre campaigning (trust me it starts now) in order for her to somehow have chance of winning the nomination over a sitting Democratic President. In order for that to happen:

A: Obama would really have to tank, yet being linked to an administration that tanked doesn't help....Mc­Cain anyone?

B: She'd have to resign, and he'd have to accept her letter of resignatio­n...then she'd have to challenge a sitting President from her own party? That would be a disastrous P.R move. I'm sure Ted Kennedy could tell you how that went for him and Carter back in 1980.

So assuming Hillary only serves herself as you believe...­. how does this exactly serve her ambitions?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:19 AM on 11/15/2008
- SF13 I'm a Fan of SF13 11 fans permalink

Yes what is at work is Obama has read "Team of Rivals" too many times. He thinks this is 1860 and he is Abraham Lincoln. Delusional

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 PM on 11/14/2008
- Bitsko I'm a Fan of Bitsko 510 fans permalink
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Yet another backbiting liberal. I've had enough of your kind over the past forty years. Grow a spine.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 PM on 11/14/2008

How was all the campaigning Hillary did for Obama a burn? How is his big win in Pennsylvania, Ohio, Florida and Michigan a burn? Is Obama really so easily burned in your world? How was suspending her campaign on June 7th and endorsing Obama self serving? How was campaigning for him before the convention self serving? How was helping campaign and raise money for all the down ticket dems self serving? How was releasing delegates pledged to her and asking them to vote for Obama and forsake their pledge to the voters they represented self serving? How was ending the roll call and asking for a unanimous vote of acclamation for Senator Obama to be the Nominee self-serving? Do you realize that when the Credentials Committee met the day before the convention began, they reversed much of the erroneous RBC ruling, thus Obama had only 17 more delegates than Hillary?

Come on...first give President Elect Obama and his advisors more credit than that. Secondly she is great, and why is not being his VP make her less of a public servant and less of a historic figure?

Lastly, I hope this is more perfunctory than actual....­..For me, I want to give the administration Obama promised, a try. Let's try a new approach with new people. I'd rather have Hillary remain in the Senate as an advocate for Healthcare, Education, women and children's issues....­etc.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:41 PM on 11/14/2008
- stell I'm a Fan of stell 20 fans permalink

You need a better female role model. Hillary Clinton was DUTY BOUND to support Barack Obama wholeheartedly. You're not supposed to give someone a pat on the back for not only doing what is correct and right by her party and country, but what is politically expedient.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 AM on 11/15/2008

I think you may be going a bit overboard. Are you suggesting that H R C is responsible for O bama's wins in Pennsylvania, Ohio, Florida, and Michigan? I have no wish to rehash the rancor of the primary, but the truth is that she was not going to win the nomination, so her choices were somewhat limited.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 AM on 11/15/2008
- SF13 I'm a Fan of SF13 11 fans permalink

Hillary did what she did as a duty period. For her to have any future in the Democratic party she had to support and campaign for Obama. Their styles are so different. I fear her traveling the world presenting her own agenda to world leaders. By the time it comes back to Obama we could have ruined what is left of our allies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 AM on 11/15/2008
- partyofone I'm a Fan of partyofone 45 fans permalink

Move over. Hillary poised to move in as co-president. Obama is ceded foreigh affairs to the Clintons while he focuses on domestic issues. Co-president

Obama is giving the Clintons their third term. He canot trust them

The Obama presidency in jeopardy, in weeks. So sad, so very very sad.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:19 PM on 11/14/2008
- KarateKid I'm a Fan of KarateKid 324 fans permalink
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LMAO. Go drink some more Kool Aid. Try fruit punch flavor.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:22 PM on 11/14/2008

Based on this logic, Condoleeza is also a co-President. I thought the Secretary of State worked at the behest of the President.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 PM on 11/14/2008
- SF13 I'm a Fan of SF13 11 fans permalink

Yes Obama with one decision has ruined his chances of having even a decent presidency. Now I can't wait for it and HRC to be over .. I want her gone.. once and for all gone

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 PM on 11/14/2008
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Typical Democrat fair weather friend. I voted for Senator 0bama mainly because he shows backbone.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 PM on 11/14/2008
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When the Clintons left office, the free world was in relatively good shape. It has been in a downward spiral ever since with Bush running it. Clinton will bring not only the connections, but also the trust and knowledge to easily get the foreign relations back to the same level as when they left office. If Obama wants to improve it beyond that, then he can replace her with the person of his chosing.

Win-win-win-win

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 AM on 11/15/2008
- DinkSinger I'm a Fan of DinkSinger 10 fans permalink

The Secretary of State has not been a "political" appointment for the last 48 years. Woodrow Wilson was the last one to use the job as a reward for someone campaigning for him, William Jennings Bryan. It didn't work out too well. Bryan resigned after two and a half years because he couldn't support the President.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 PM on 11/14/2008

Woodrow Wilson knowingly advocated for segregation-read his bio and Presidential history, it's all factual and easily obtainable. I wouldn't have supported a President like Woodrow Wilson either. Thankfully, let us hope and pray we've come a long way from the policies and practices of President Wilson!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 PM on 11/14/2008
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That was an area on which they agreed -- both racist. The Democratic party was the party of racism until 1948 when the convention passed a civil rights plank and the South walked out.

After Bryan left Wilson's cabinet he fought for prohibition, women's suffrage, and of course, against the teaching of evolution.

He also said in a speech to the 1896 Democratic National Convention:
"There are two ideas of government. There are those who believe that if you just legislate to make the well-to-do prosperous, that their prosperity will leak through on those below. The Democratic idea has been that if you legislate to make the masses prosperous their prosperity will find its way up and through every class that rests upon it."

I hope that is a statement with which all current Democrats agree.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:36 AM on 11/15/2008
- antaeus I'm a Fan of antaeus 86 fans permalink
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Bryan was a crackpot. Obama and Clinton don't have fundamental policy differences.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 PM on 11/14/2008

Excellent!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 PM on 11/14/2008
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Wilson was an even crackier crackpot.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 PM on 11/14/2008

I think Hillary would follow the footsteps of Madame Secretary Albright and make America proud. I think she'd be great for the job and well deserves it! And although I've been admittedly totally in the tank for Obama since 2004, I think he should pay her debt out right-clean it up-simple as that. She and Bill campaigned for him and gleaned votes for him, it's the least he can and should do, next to giving Hillary a very respectable position. Love her or not, she is so very intelligent herself and deserves nothing less then a top role in this cabinet!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:14 PM on 11/14/2008
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I have no problem with giving her the position. I don't think he should pay her debt. I think that is something she needs to take care of on her own. She used that money to attack Obama. Some of those attacks were played back in the general.

I think the SOS should be a little cut-throat. Hillary will do fine.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:00 AM on 11/15/2008

Well put, but Obama is President Elect, and this is his decision. His victory is a tremendous vote of confidence for the Democratic Party as well.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:23 AM on 11/15/2008

Senator Clinton would make a great Supreme Court Justice and would add some desperately needed intelligence to that body. The over turning of the D.C. ban on handguns was not only practically stupid, but lacked any reasonable interpretation of the Constitution.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:13 PM on 11/14/2008
- chulanow I'm a Fan of chulanow 13 fans permalink

She would do a better job as Secretary of State.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 PM on 11/14/2008
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She doesn't want it. The first SC Justice apptment should be in their 40's to ward off a Conservative Takeover in future decades. GHWB knew this and the conservs are benefitting at our expense.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 AM on 11/15/2008

This is probably a tough decision for him. I think it probably has come as a surprise to many when Hillary's name pop up in the list. The chance that Hillary will take the post is high.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:11 PM on 11/14/2008
- SF13 I'm a Fan of SF13 11 fans permalink

The chances of Obama supporters abandoning him because we were mislead is very high also. He will be a one term president and he can thank HRC for that .. it's a disgusting choice that says he is truly naive beyond belief.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 PM on 11/14/2008
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Yet another backbiting liberal. I've had enough of your kind over the past forty years. Grow a spine.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 PM on 11/14/2008
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OH please. He hasn't even been sworn in yet. We don't know what he will do yet. Hillary is qualified and would do a great job. I won't abandon him just because of his SOS pick or any other pick. I might abandon him if he changes all of his policies and doesn't work to keep any of his promises.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:06 AM on 11/15/2008

If he is a one term President, it will be because of spiteful vindictive people like you who'd rather have a Republican win the white house, just so you can have one more thing to blame on Hillary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:26 AM on 11/15/2008
- ciceroette I'm a Fan of ciceroette 3 fans permalink

Hillary is a very intelligent and capable woman, but she will not take this post. She still has work to do in the Senate, and her commitment to the working people of America will best be served here.
Bill Richardson is not the right person for this job either.
For this position, we need a new face, with a thorough understanding of the history of the Middle East.
This month's Smithsonian has a very good article of the history of Iran, and how the debacle of the dividing up of the Ottoman Empire is still haunting the world. From Eisenhower on, from the fear of Communism to the Bush/Cheney terrorist hysteria, are all true examples which show the "chickens coming home to roost."
A scholar mentality is needed far more than that of a diplomat. If this person reads and understands "Rumi" then this is the person to speak to the fears of all parties.
If Obama truly wants to change the world, then our next Secretary of State will be this "new" person.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:07 PM on 11/14/2008
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A new face....li­ke who? Christianne Ammanpour?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:14 PM on 11/14/2008

Please read , they are stealing from US

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:05 PM on 11/14/2008
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